Our idol Mao Zedong - Europeans and the Communist Cultural Revolution

[艹艹艹]

In 1967 he lost

no,
In fact you indians always remember what happened in 1962

Because in 1962, India lost miserably(badly)

 

[Nilgiri]

no,
In fact you indians always remember what happened in 1962

Then we remember 1967 and its all fair and square @hellfire

 

[艹艹艹]

Then we remember 1967 and its all fair and square @hellfire

You're comforting yourself

You're calling your buddies again

You even put in the border incident last year can be called a "victory"

 

[Hellfire]

Mao was great. Americans feared him. He kicked out all white imperialist and laid out the industrial foundation for China.

What about the non-white imperialists?

Anyways, I thought that all the 'enclaves' were 'kicked' out much before Mao came to rule?

Then we remember 1967 and its all fair and square @hellfire

He is right, we remember 1962 very well. But equally interesting to note is that they seem to have forgotten 1967 - a very uncharacteristic thing on part of China. Or for that matter, every time a high profile incident has taken place subsequently - be it Sumdurong Chu or Chumar (personally witnessed) or Dokalam Plateau

You even put in the border incident last year can be called a "victory"

Well, the aim was to prevent the development of track opposite our post Doka-La from being made into an all weather road and being extended further into the Dokalam plateau. That track, today, remains a track. I do not know what else would that be called if not a victory for peace!

@Nilgiri

 

[艹艹艹]

He is right, we remember 1962 very well. But equally interesting to note is that they seem to have forgotten 1967 - a very uncharacteristic thing on part of China. Or for that matter, every time a high profile incident has taken place subsequently - be it Sumdurong Chu or Chumar (personally witnessed) or Dokalam Plateau

The first skirmish began on Sep/11th/1967.

7:30, Indian mountain infantry approached Chinese sentry outpost near Nathu La by a battalion of No.112 brigade, 110 men in total.

The Chinese Army issued a serious warning.

At 8:07, the Indian army first shot and threw a grenade, leading to Chinese commander, Li Yancheng’s death. 6 Chinese soldiers were injured.

PLA counterattacked immediately, using 40 rocket launcher .

In 7 minutes, 67 Indian soldiers were killed. 7 Indian army fortifications were destroyed.

At 8:15, the Indian army began to run back off the battlefield. PLA kept in place and did not chase Indian army.

The seventeenth brigade of the Indian artillery began to bombard.

Then Chinese artillery No. 380 regiment used No.82 and No.120 mortars to fire back.

During the whole 4 days and 3 nights’ conflict, Indian army lost 8 artillery positons, 2 command post, 2 sentry post, 23 fortifications and 2 trucks due to Chinese artillery. 540 Indian solidiers were killed and wounded.(7 bodies were left in Chinese territory here.)

Finally, Indian artillery stopped firing at Sep 13, 22:00.

PLA stopped firing at 9/14, midday.

The Second skirmish began on Oct/1st.

At 11:20, 7 Indian soldiers crossed the border, conflicting against PLA soldiers with bodies but were pushed back to the India border.

Indian soldiers then began to shoot. One chinese soldier was killed and one was wounded. Then Chinese soldiers fired back. 7 Indian soldiers who crossed the border were killed.

Then India artillery started to bombard, using the 51mm and 81mm mortars. Chinese artillery bombarded back at 12:00, killing and wounding 195 Indian soldiers. 29 Indian fortifications were destroyed.

India artillery stopped firing at 19:55 and so did PLA stop firing.

Final output:

607 Indian soldiers were killed or wounded.

123 chinese soldiers were killed or wounded.

PLA captured 1 light machine guns, 9 submachine guns and 16 rifles.

Sep/16th, Indian side waved a white flag, asking to enter into Chinese territory. After signing up the delivering document, they took 14 bodies , 24 captured guns back. No Chinese soldier bodies and weapons were left in Indian side.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

In 1967 he lost

The real situation is: In 1967, the People's Liberation Army killed and injured 607 Indian troops altogether.

 

[艹艹艹]

Indian government never officially claims a victory on that skirmish in 1967.

Thus, basically, if your own government doesn’t regard it as a victory, what is the claim based on?
@Nilgiri @hellfire

Read more
https://www.quora.com/Did-India-defeat-China-in-1967

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Sino-Indian War
Casualties and losses Source：Wikipedia
India =VS =China

1,383–3,250 killed =VS = 722 killed
548–1,047 wounded=VS =1,697 wounded
1,696 missing=VS =0
3,968 captured=VS =0

Casualties and losses Source：PLA
India =VS =China

3,073–4,946 killed =VS = 722 killed
548–1,047 wounded=VS =1,697 wounded
3,968 captured=VS =0

 

[艹艹艹]

Sino-Indian War
Casualties and losses Source：Wikipedia
India =VS =China

1,383–3,250 killed =VS = 722 killed
548–1,047 wounded=VS =1,697 wounded
1,696 missing=VS =0
3,968 captured=VS =0

Casualties and losses Source：PLA
India =VS =China

3,073–4,946 killed =VS = 722 killed
548–1,047 wounded=VS =1,697 wounded
3,968 captured=VS =0

Indian friends are particularly interested in what happened in the 1960s

 

[Neptune_]

 

[Hellfire]

The first skirmish began on Sep/11th/1967.

7:30, Indian mountain infantry approached Chinese sentry outpost near Nathu La by a battalion of No.112 brigade, 110 men in total.

The Chinese Army issued a serious warning.

At 8:07, the Indian army first shot and threw a grenade, leading to Chinese commander, Li Yancheng’s death. 6 Chinese soldiers were injured.

PLA counterattacked immediately, using 40 rocket launcher .

In 7 minutes, 67 Indian soldiers were killed. 7 Indian army fortifications were destroyed.

At 8:15, the Indian army began to run back off the battlefield. PLA kept in place and did not chase Indian army.

The seventeenth brigade of the Indian artillery began to bombard.

Then Chinese artillery No. 380 regiment used No.82 and No.120 mortars to fire back.

During the whole 4 days and 3 nights’ conflict, Indian army lost 8 artillery positons, 2 command post, 2 sentry post, 23 fortifications and 2 trucks due to Chinese artillery. 540 Indian solidiers were killed and wounded.(7 bodies were left in Chinese territory here.)

Finally, Indian artillery stopped firing at Sep 13, 22:00.

PLA stopped firing at 9/14, midday.

The Second skirmish began on Oct/1st.

At 11:20, 7 Indian soldiers crossed the border, conflicting against PLA soldiers with bodies but were pushed back to the India border.

Indian soldiers then began to shoot. One chinese soldier was killed and one was wounded. Then Chinese soldiers fired back. 7 Indian soldiers who crossed the border were killed.

Then India artillery started to bombard, using the 51mm and 81mm mortars. Chinese artillery bombarded back at 12:00, killing and wounding 195 Indian soldiers. 29 Indian fortifications were destroyed.

India artillery stopped firing at 19:55 and so did PLA stop firing.

Final output:

607 Indian soldiers were killed or wounded.

123 chinese soldiers were killed or wounded.

PLA captured 1 light machine guns, 9 submachine guns and 16 rifles.

Sep/16th, Indian side waved a white flag, asking to enter into Chinese territory. After signing up the delivering document, they took 14 bodies , 24 captured guns back. No Chinese soldier bodies and weapons were left in Indian side.

@Nilgiri Very nice to note this. 607 indian soldiers were killed! When only 1 x Grenadiers Regiment was there!!! (2 Grenadiers was being inducted and 18 Rajput was de-inducting)

65 became 607

Even their own side has same figure

Pertinent to note, I quote


In order to help Pakistan during the 1965 War, the Chinese served an ultimatum and asked India to withdraw its posts at Nathu La and Jelep La, which were then held by 17 and 27 Mountain Divisions respectively. Accordingly, orders were issued by Corps Headquarters (HQ) to both divisions to vacate Nathu La and Jelep La. As a result, 27 Mountain Division vacated Jelep La*, which the Chinese promptly occupied. However, Major General Sagat Singh, GOC 17 Mountain Division, refused to vacate Nathu La, which was a Border Out Post (BOP), while the main defences were at Changgu. In the adjoining sector, manned scholar warrior ä autumn 2014 ä143 scholar warrior by 27 Mountain Division, Jelep La was also a BOP, with the main defences located at Lungthu. In case of hostilities, the divisional commanders had been given the authority to vacate the posts, and fall back on the main defences. Sagat reasoned that Nathu La and Jelep La were passes on the watershed, which was the natural boundary. The McMahon Line, which India claimed as the International Border (IB), followed the watershed principle, and India and China had gone to war over this issue, three years earlier. Vacating the passes on the watershed would give the Chinese the tactical advantage of observation and fire into India, while denying the same to our own troops The Chinese had installed loudspeakers at Nathu La, and warned the Indians that they would suffer as they did in 1962, if they did not withdraw.

*Jelep-La was finally vacated by India in late 90s as part of CBM against Indian Army's protestations, and the Eastern Shoulder promptly occupied by China.

Ah, these threads have become boring nowadays. Best ignored. PDFitis is affecting them - of rewriting histories and distorting facts!

 

[Nilgiri]

Indian government never officially claims a victory on that skirmish in 1967.

Thus, basically, if your own government doesn’t regard it as a victory, what is the claim based on?
@Nilgiri @hellfire

Read more
https://www.quora.com/Did-India-defeat-China-in-1967

And did China claim a victory in 1962? There was not even a declaration of war lol....and you beat a hasty retreat in South Tibet (Arunachal Pradesh) which you claim to this day...coz you got all scared about the logistics situation even back then. At least India put up a fight in unsupported, bad logistics area for it....but did you?

Look I know you hyper-feelz chinese desperately want a full surrender on paper (from someone...anyone.... totally by yourself unlike what big daddy US delivered for you in WW2)....something like what happened to your higher than mountains ally in 1971...to avenge the nanking complex etc....but best you look to someone half the size or less of even Vietnam (who gave you a real drubbing in 1979 as @Viva_Viet can speak on lol)....leave the non-paper tiger, real militaries with experience to be...they are not your cup of tea

This topic was about Mao and cultural revolution, and you brought this upon yourself lol...silly panda.

Now enjoy some more of your "buddies" have a chuckle at you while you wave your fist angrily and cry "coward...waaah":

@Viet @jhungary @Dai Toruko @gambit @Hamartia Antidote

China, the rodney dangerfield of countries..."Can't get no respect"

 

[艹艹艹]

@Viet @jhungary @Dai Toruko @gambit @Hamartia Antidote

China, the rodney dangerfield of countries..."Can't get no respect"

Call your buddy again.
I think Indian friends will be interested in the 1960s

This topic was about Mao and cultural revolution, and you brought this upon yourself

If you want to evaluate MAO zedong, I suggest you make a comparison between MAO zedong and Gandhi.

 

[Nilgiri]

Call your buddy again.
I think Indian friends will be interested in the 1960s

Yes its fun! It triggers you! lol

 

[Hellfire]

@Nilgiri

The problem in 1962 was two folds:

1. Ineptitude of Indian leadership to realize that to push your claims, your need to militarily back up your token military strength being projected. We not only claimed demarcation till McMahon Line, but we occupied territories North of it, without building up our logistics and forces, thinking Chinese will not react in interest of greater good. To top it all, the Political Leadership ignored reports of Chinese build up (they took time to build up strength) before they hit our troops, who were, in the first instance, North of the Line itself! Obviously we would be whupped as we got, for such stupidity. I have no qualms about criticising the idiots.

2. Chinese got away with limited strike because USSR was busy in Cuban Missile Crisis. Otherwise, it would have been very interesting indeed.

If you want to evaluate MAO zedong, I suggest you make a comparison between MAO zedong and Gandhi.

Incomparable, Mao beats all ... estimated 70 million sent into the 'great oblivion'


Cheers