Osama Dead. Obama Confirms.

[pakdefender]

No resistance in ‘cold-blooded’ US raid: Pakistan officials | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

ABBOTTABAD: Osama bin Laden and his comrades offered no resistance when killed by US special forces in a Pakistani town, Pakistani security officials said on Thursday.

US accounts of what happened have changed throughout the week, and initial characterisations of a 40-minute gun battle have given way to officials being quoted as saying only one of the five people who were killed had been armed.



The White House has cited the “fog of war” as a reason for initial misinformation on whether bin Laden – who was shot in the head – was armed when US Navy SEALs raided his compound in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad early on Monday.

Two senior Pakistani security officials, citing their investigation, said there was no firefight because the inhabitants never fired back.

“The people inside the house were unarmed. There was no resistance,” one of the officials said.

“It was cold-blooded,” said the second official when asked if there was any exchange of fire during the operation which, US officials said lasted nearly 40 minutes.

The officials declined to say how they got their information, but officials had earlier said wounded had been detained.

Photographs acquired by Reuters and taken about an hour after the assault show three dead men – not including bin Laden – lying in pools of blood. No weapons could be seen in the closely cropped images.

The photos, taken by a Pakistani security official who was in the compound after the raid, show two men dressed in traditional Pakistani garb and one in a T-shirt, blood streaming from their ears, noses and mouths.

 

[Developereo]

Why are agencies not talking to Pakistani nation? Cuz they have more trust on Pakistani people and their logic and intelligence

I agree. I find it interesting that so many Pakistanis are ready to condemn the army and ISI when the American story has so many holes in it. I can understand Pakistan's enemies using this opportunity to score cheap points, but the Pakistani public should wait and see what the actual facts are -- if they ever come out.

 

[XYON]

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[roadrunner]

A bit odd he didn't have more weapons to defend himself. Almost like they burst into some random house.

 

[pakdefender]

the seal team killed unarmed people and they brought in a team of 40+ goons inlcuding choppers and what not , this reminds me of joke about US military

There was a US commader that had an answer for all the problems that were sent his way .. his solution was always 'put more men on the job'
now he would say this often infront of his family also. The commander and his wife had been trying for some time to have a second child but with no success .. on day they were discussing this and their kid heard it .. the kid offered his advice to the US commander by say ''Dad .. put more men on the job!"

the people inside the house were totally unarmed and were shot in cold blood , there was no resistance offered and it quite likely that the one they are saying is bin laden was lying in bed with some medical equipment hooked on and these guys shot at him!

There is a picture that was released earlier which shows a medical equipment/monitor type of thing so its enitely possible that this supposed bin laden was in bed and killed in that position and this could be one more reason why they will not release the pictures as it was happening.

 

[Ahmad]

ISLAMABAD/KARACHI: Pakistan’s most influential Islamist party urged its followers to hold mass protests on Friday to demand their government withdraw its support of the US war on militancy after US commandos killed Osama bin Laden near Islamabad.

Jamaat-e-Islami (JI), one of the country’s biggest religious political parties, said the United States had violated the sovereignty of key ally Pakistan by sending its own forces into the garrison town of Abbottabad to kill the al Qaeda leader.

Pakistan’s support is key to US efforts to combat Islamist militants, and also to fighting against the Taliban in neighbouring Afghanistan.

“Even if there was any sympathy for the Americans that would dissipate after the way they crushed and violated our sovereignty and our independence,” JI chief Syed Munawar Hasan told Reuters on Thursday.

“We have appealed to everyone to hold peaceful demonstrations on Friday on a very large scale,” he said. “Our first demand is Pakistan … should withdraw from the war on terror.”

Anti-American sentiment runs high in Pakistan, despite billions of dollars in aid for the nuclear-armed, impoverished country. Pakistan’s religious parties have not traditionally done well at the ballot box, but they wield considerable influence in a country where Islam is becoming more radicalised.

The United States war on militancy is unpopular in Pakistan, because of the perception of high civilian deaths from drone attacks against suspected militants along the Afghan border.

But many people are also critical of al-Qaeda’s radical interpretation of Islam and the suicide bombings its followers carry out, and analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi said any protests are likely to be more anti-US than pro-bin Laden.

“I don’t think they (religious parties) will attract big crowds in these rallies. These protests will unlikely put any big pressure on the government to change its course,” he said.

There have so far been few public protests in Pakistan against bin Laden’s killing early on Monday at Abbottabad, 50 km (31 miles) northeast of Islamabad. One of Pakistan’s most violent militant groups, Lashkar-e-Taiba, held special prayers for the al Qaeda leader and called his death “martyrdom.”

The fact that bin Laden was killed in Pakistan, after having appeared to have lived there for several years, has also embarrassed many people in the government and the country’s powerful spy agency.

“Pakistan and its security apparatus have become something of a laughing stock, with the media around the world highlighting the discovery of the world’s most wanted man at walking distance from a leading military academy,” The News wrote in an editorial on Thursday.

Some Pakistanis said they were too preoccupied with the hardships of living in a country with a troubled economy and chronic power shortages to join in any kind of protests.

“There is no electricity, no petrol, with rising inflation, making ends meet is becoming challenging every single day.”

“If our country wasn’t mired with economic hardships at this point, perhaps we would demand more answers from the government or the United States, but as of now, I have bigger problems,” said Sara Ahmed, a government employee in the port city of Karachi.

 

[President Camacho]

@ Meengla
Indians have right to say what they want to say.

And why???

 

[pak-marine]

still no clearification from army ... they are soo guilty

 

[foxbat]

Exactly. I said the same thing a few pages back.

The official story keeps changing every few hours and has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese:
- The chopper was shot at; it had a malfunction.
- There was a firefight; there was no firefight.
- He hid behind a woman; she lunged in front herself.
- He was lunging for a weapon; he wasn't.
- He was shot while resisting arrest; he was taken alive and then shot (daughter).
- There was an AK-47 besides him; there were no weapons in the compound (ISI).
- The area was cordoned off; the raid was over before the Pakistanis could react.
- The power was shut off to the area; the raid was over before the Pakistanis could react.
- They had been living there for 5 years; they only moved there 5-6 months ago (wife).

This nonsense about DNA evidence is silly; they could have collected a sample decades ago.
Basically, all we have is the authorities telling us "yeah he was shot and the body dumped; trust us".
The sheeple swallow the custom-made Rambo-style Hollywood story and anybody who dares to ask questions is dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.

He is far more useful alive than dead, but having him in custody would raise issues of trial, rights, and terrorist threats, so the official story is that he is dead. Meanwhile, he is quietly being "interrogated" by a small team and will be executed when the "interrogation" is over.

This is exactly what I said a hundred pages back.. This is also the belief growing pretty fast in the Indian Intelligence community ....

 

[Stumper]

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What are you talking about ? NOE flight are hard to detect by any RADAR's except Doppler. It would have been same scenario had the SEAL's attacked Indian Border states.

I really dont understand why blame the Pak Army for this inability to detect. Even Pak AF could have conducted such operations in our Hilly areas, provided you have the necessary pilot expertise (such flights are not easy to operate)

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If Pakistan was not on board the raid, analysis definitely needs to be done on the failure (if any) of air defence and radar coverage.

In a way, if the undetected US raid was a security failure, this incident could be a 'positive' in that the US target was not consequential to Pakistani national security. Now at least we have an idea of the kinds of measures being employed.

I think the larger concern for the military will be about how many of Pakistan's nuclear assets the US has been able to track down through its technical intelligence. However, given the size of Pakistan's arsenal and the fact that it is dispersed, any US attempt to neutralize it will likely not involve commando raids, but missile strikes/bombings.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

There was this story where Madam Gaga and her husband were eating fruits in the garden..While eating, a plane crossed by 2 feet above their nice head, but they did not realize it.

Certain fractions of ISI did know about this operation and Pakistan wants the U.S to pack their stuff and get booted out. Obama needed a political win and here it came.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Now the million dollar question--

Will Obama keep his words and exit?

Pakistan cannot take responsibility of this military action because of political reasons.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What are you talking about ? NOE flight are hard to detect by any RADAR's except Doppler. It would have been same scenario had the SEAL's attacked Indian Border states.

I really dont understand why blame the Pak Army for this inability to detect. Even Pak AF could have conducted such operations in our Hilly areas, provided you have the necessary pilot expertise (such flights are not easy to operate)

I completely agree - low flying choppers, some reports state a newly developed stealth design, sophisticated EW systems. If Pakistan did not know about the raid, it is hard to fault the military for not being able to detect it.

I don't see how the raid could have been responded to quickly enough by the PAF if radar had not detected the choppers. Perhaps a centralized system keeping track of any and all authorized air traffic and their flight plans that could be tapped into quickly to determine if reports of choppers/drones/planes in a particular area at a particular time match up. But even then the people monitoring the system would have to wait for reports from the ground to travel up to them, by which time it would likely be too late.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

still no clearification from army ... they are soo guilty

What kind of clarification? The FO statement already explained the security/radar failures - what else could the Army add?

Are you suggesting that the absence of a statement from the Army implies that the operation was coordinated?