'Osama buried 200 miles to the west of an Indian city coast'

[Barrack-Obummer]

Barrack, what do you think of the illegal drone strikes? Are they to not an act just like that of 9/11?

Quite honestly, I believe the Pakistani govt and the American govt are cooperating behind the scenes on these strikes. Whether its a necessary action to keep terrorism at bay is beyond me, in my opinion there will always be haters and thus, always be terrorism. But I do know the Pakistani public is completely outraged by the drones, but like I said, im pretty sure there's good reason for it.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Really dude? You are going to compare 9/11 to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Vietnam??? Hahaha. These incidents havr absolutely nothing to do with Osama or anyone involved in the september 11th attacks. Grow up kid. 2 wrongs, don't make a right...

you'd have to be very very old to call me a kid !

do you think it is just coincidence that USA is responsible for the biggest numbers of humans killed on the planet ?
Is it also just a coincidence that USA has been involved in war through it's history.

It is no coincidence, it is a result of the over indulgent life style that you have become used to.

 

[Barrack-Obummer]

you'd have to be very very old to call me a kid !

do you think it is just coincidence that USA is responsible for the biggest numbers of humans killed on the planet ?
Is it also just a coincidence that USA has been involved in war through it's history.

It is no coincidence, it is a result of the over indulgent life style that you have become used to.

Don't stop you're making me laugh to hard!!! Why you mad bro? US plane drop a missle on your village hut? Prove to me, that the USA is responsible for the biggest number of humans killed on the planet... HAHA. Or are you just a bunch of empty numbers and words?

 

[Zabaniyah]

Don't stop you're making me laugh to hard!!! Why you mad bro? US plane drop a missle on your village hut? Prove to me, that the USA is responsible for the biggest number of humans killed on the planet... HAHA. Or are you just a bunch of empty numbers and words?

I think what he's saying is that it was the USA as a country that engaged in the largest number of wars after WWII. That is compared to other countries.

Generally speaking, when a powerful nation gets itself involved in any conflict, the number of casualties increase ten-fold. Both directly and indirectly.

But that is irrelevant to the topic.

 

[Barrack-Obummer]

I think what he's saying is that it was the USA as a country that engaged in the largest number of wars after WWII. That is compared to other countries.

Generally speaking, when a powerful nation gets itself involved in any conflict, the number of casualties increase ten-fold. Both directly and indirectly.

But that is irrelevant to the topic.

Well if thats what he "meant" that's what he would have said. And where's the proof to that statement? Even if the Unites States has been engaged in more wars than any other country since ww2? That's what happens when you kick *** in the biggest war the world has seen (which mind you we REFUSED to participate in until we were directly attacked), you get to set the stage for the rest. All I see is hate and ignorance. But yes let us get back to the topic.

 

[SamantK]

I think what he's saying is that it was the USA as a country that engaged in the largest number of wars after WWII. That is compared to other countries.

Generally speaking, when a powerful nation gets itself involved in any conflict, the number of casualties increase ten-fold. Both directly and indirectly.

But that is irrelevant to the topic.

It might be true, you need to back it up with statistics. However, being a super power US has some obligation to maintain some kind of peace. Had it not been for their overzealous attitude towards military solutions in such large extent things would have been different. But I do not think everything started with wrong motive, history has taught the difference between the intent and the resulting situation..
Always blaming one country does not help, if you expect to go against a nation there will be consequences but what type can become extraordinary, you cannot then go crying, why go against at all..
IMO

 

[Barrack-Obummer]

It might be true, you need to back it up with statistics. However, being a super power US has some obligation to maintain some kind of peace. Had it been not for their overzealous attitude towards military solutions in such large extent things would have been different. But I do not think everything started with wrong motive, history has taught the difference between the intent and the resulting situation..
Always blaming one country does not help, if you expect to go against a nation there will be consequences but what type can become extraordinary, you cannot then go crying, why go against at all..
IMO

You are very correct. You have to understand the situation the world was in after ww2 had ended. The war had left all major powers but the ussr and the US in ruins, "to the victor goes the spoils.", and there were disagreements on how the post-war world should be drawn up. It left both countries with huge amounts of riches and new technologies, and mind you, the ussr was only a temporary ally of the US, when the war ended, so did the alliance. Due to vast political, cultural differences and different agendas and objectives, distrust began to grow very rapidly between Moscow and Washington. Each spied on the other as the united states grew very worried over Russia's development of nuclear weapons, which in turn led to the formation of NATO.

My point is, you are right, Americans have not always been war mongering, uneducated, ignorant aggressors. The America you get now is what you get after the generations that fought in this centuries crisis war (ww2) start dying out. Many generations later, youre left with people that can't handle the power and know nothing about the real horrors of war. And generational theory tells us that another major crisis war is brewing. It happens every time the survivors of the last great at die off, over generations, people forget.

History can, does, and will repeat itself...

 

[Zabaniyah]

It might be true, you need to back it up with statistics. However, being a super power US has some obligation to maintain some kind of peace. Had it been not for their overzealous attitude towards military solutions in such large extent things would have been different. But I do not think everything started with wrong motive, history has taught the difference between the intent and the resulting situation..
Always blaming one country does not help, if you expect to go against a nation there will be consequences but what type can become extraordinary, you cannot then go crying, why go against at all..
IMO

Some contradiction there.

I'm not pointing fingers at one country at all.

You know very well of American involvement and the frightening potential of a US-Soviet engagement during the 71' war, which gave the bloody birth of my country. And yet, my country never, ever participated in any anti-American activities whatsoever. You don't see me or any Bangladeshi West-bashing.

I don't think The Viets or the Iraqis were a direct threat to the US at all. What about the Khmer Rouge and the secret war in Cambodia? Do you think they were started with the 'right' motive? There are plenty of examples.

From observation, I think the problem in American culture is that one topic becomes hot, and then a new hot topic comes up while the previous is all sent into oblivion. That and combined with some individuals who abuse power for their own interests. Are you sure they are in the best interests of the US and world? IMO? Not necessarily.

My only point is that the US must stop interfering in relatively petty affairs, unless of-course the problem is significant, like the First Gulf War where Saddam intended to control Middle Eastern oil.

Otherwise, it just leads to more collateral damage. And they are still doing it. Even in our neighborhood to pit against China

 

[SamantK]

Some contradiction there.

I'm not pointing fingers at one country at all.[/QUOTE ]

You know very well of American involvement and the frightening potential of a US-Soviet engagement during the 71' war, which gave the bloody birth of my country. And yet, my country never, ever participated in any anti-American activities whatsoever. You don't see me or any Bangladeshi West-bashing.

Your point being?

I don't think The Viets or the Iraqis were a direct threat to the US at all. What about the Khmer Rouge and the secret war in Cambodia? Do you think they were started with the 'right' motive? There are plenty of examples.

your are pointing at the same thing which I said before.

But I do not think everything started with wrong motive

From observation, I think the problem in American culture is that one topic becomes hot, and then a new hot topic comes up while the previous is all sent into oblivion. That and combined with some individuals who abuse power for their own interests. Are you sure they are in the best interests of the US and world? IMO? Not necessarily.

Again a I said their mistake is being overzealous, in some case pointless too. They have made great many errors in judgement and they are not the only ones wo will make such in the future.

My only point is that the US must stop interfering in relatively petty affairs, unless of-course the problem is significant, like the First Gulf War where Saddam intended to control Middle Eastern oil.

Correct, if they feel something need to be done, they should use the diplomatic channel with the parties (and refrain from showing bias) in the conflict

Otherwise, it just leads to more collateral damage. And they are still doing it. Even in our neighborhood to pit against China

For China the issue is different, they see China as a threat to their country, after soviet union which other country is a major threat to US, it is China.. US will try to involve India its conflict, but it is up to Indian leadership to understand its responsibilty to its People and not blindly follow..

 

[Barrack-Obummer]

From observation, I think the problem in American culture is that one topic becomes hot, and then a new hot topic comes up while the previous is all sent into oblivion. That and combined with some individuals who abuse power for their own interests. Are you sure they are in the best interests of the US and world? IMO? Not necessarily.

The problem is Americans young, and even old, have gotten so used to being the center of the world. Kids today don't want to learn about history in schools, they see no point. And why should they? They've grown so used to living peacefully in our American bubble that they ignore or simply don't care about the outside world. There's a growing sense of immortality in the youth of today and it only gets stronger with time.

 

[SamantK]

You are very correct. You have to understand the situation the world was in after ww2 had ended. The war had left all major powers but the ussr and the US in ruins, "to the victor goes the spoils.", and there were disagreements on how the post-war world should be drawn up. It left both countries with huge amounts of riches and new technologies, and mind you, the ussr was only a temporary ally of the US, when the war ended, so did the alliance. Due to vast political, cultural differences and different agendas and objectives, distrust began to grow very rapidly between Moscow and Washington. Each spied on the other as the united states grew very worried over Russia's development of nuclear weapons, which in turn led to the formation of NATO.

My point is, you are right, Americans have not always been war mongering, uneducated, ignorant aggressors. The America you get now is what you get after the generations that fought in this centuries crisis war (ww2) start dying out. Many generations later, youre left with people that can't handle the power and know nothing about the real horrors of war. And generational theory tells us that another major crisis war is brewing. It happens every time the survivors of the last great at die off, over generations, people forget.

History can, does, and will repeat itself...

Agreed, but it is for us to change to course of history towards a more moral playground rather than a religious, ethnic and un-biased thinking.. We simply cnanot let history take our present and future hostage..

 

[Developereo]

people that can't handle the power and know nothing about the real horrors of war.

To most people in the rich countries, war is almost a video game, except for those families who have loved ones on active duty. The scary part is that, with drone technology controlled from suburban VA, the video game mentality will permeate even the military personnel.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Your point being?[/QUOTE ]

Well, it was the US who pressured Pakistan to work toward democracy. And it was the US who supported Yaha and his ilks even though Mujib won the elections. They did nothing to save lives.

But enough about the past. It was just an example.

Again a I said their mistake is being overzealous, in some case pointless too. They have made great many errors in judgement and they are not the only ones wo will make such in the future.

Correct, if they feel something need to be done, they should use the diplomatic channel with the parties (and refrain from showing bias) in the conflict

Agreed.

For China the issue is different, they see China as a threat to their country, after soviet union which other country is a major threat to US, it is China.. US will try to involve India its conflict, but it is up to Indian leadership to understand its responsibilty to its People and not blindly follow..

I really hope they do that.

The problem is Americans young, and even old, have gotten so used to being the center of the world. Kids today don't want to learn about history in schools, they see no point. And why should they? They've grown so used to living peacefully in our American bubble that they ignore or simply don't care about the outside world. There's a growing sense of immortality in the youth of today and it only gets stronger with time.

Sounds accurate. Although the subjects sound kinda delusional.

No such thing as immortality. Brah...

 

[SamantK]

I really hope they do that.

I hope so too, but from what I can see, its in the right direction. India though taking a strong millitary stand is using the diplomatic road to engage China in a meaningful dialouge.. Fault lies with the media who make even a diplomatic protest, sensational!

 

[Mercenary]

you'd have to be very very old to call me a kid !

do you think it is just coincidence that USA is responsible for the biggest numbers of humans killed on the planet ?
Is it also just a coincidence that USA has been involved in war through it's history.

It is no coincidence, it is a result of the over indulgent life style that you have become used to.

Largest numbers of humans killed on the planet?

Its obvious you have never opened a book in your life. That honor goes to the Mongols who killed millions in China, Central Asia, Middle East, Europe and Japan. In Baghdad alone they killed 1.5 million people. Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler all have more blood on their hands than USA.

USA involved in every war through history?

I think what you meant was every war since 1945. Well not really. USA is a super-power and it had keep the Soviets in check and thus had to get involved in global brinkmanship. Nothing no other global power hasn't done previous or will do in the future.