Osama bin Laden’s death: Updates & Discussions

[muse]

Nothing proved yet.. remember??

You imagine you are in a court of law?? It's unfortunate that Pakistan gets to have the kinds of ideas that animate you, as it's advocates.

If you go back to the original thread "Osama dead" - you will find my post that makes clear what the reaction the Pakistanis will choose - I even highlight that Pakistan must allow people to fall on their swords but those people being Pakistanis and Muslims are not likely to do the honorable thing and therefore the state will have to "assist" them -- Haqqani has promised exactly this and the Pakistani state has chosen exactly incompetence over complicity as their defense

Here's what Pakistan must do during the entire 2nd term and the next first term:

1. Pakistan's State narrative will have to be one of social development - numbers of new schools, numbers of kids in schools, curriculum change, no Jihad, no hatred, no garlands for murderers, no blasphemy laws and no attacks on churches and other minority confessions and sects. Number of roads built, villages electrified, etc.

2. No news about ISI being involved with any group labeled terrorist by ANYONE. The Pakistani arm3ed forces purged of Islamist ideology and political ambition.

3. Islamist terrorists either chased out of Pakistan or killed and Islamist ideology challenged as the hate speech that it is.


4. What is the one accomplishment that is respected the world over? Yes, it's not anything vaguely Islamist, it's after all about achievement and respect, two values not associated with islamism -- Alright then, since it's too taxing, allow me to assist -- the one accomplishment respected in every culture and in every society, by every human being is Material betterment -- Real men and women know that dignity is not about blowing up yourself and others, rather, it's about creating value, worth and dignity through the material, the tangible - and this is where Pakistan must show real talent - and why not, after all, which Pakistanis (ok, we know which ones) OK, so most Pakistanis want a better material life and they know it is created by education and employment not hogwash imported from arabia and death and nihilism for all.

These are the essentials of a narrative that the Pakistani state must deliver to Western audiences (read bankers, lawmakers and opinion makers) - all accomplished without calling anyone Zionist (even when they are)

No can do? We'll see about that

 

[LeGenD]

Osama Bin Laden Videos Released by Government

The government released five videos found in Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, showing the al Qaeda leader preparing a message to the United States and watching himself on television.

Click here to watch the 5 Osama bin Laden home videos released.

The videos -- with him struggling to get through a taping without a mistake, or huddled in a blanket, his undyed beard obviously gray -- present an image of bin Laden that the al Qaeda leader would not have released himself, knocking him down from the larger-than-life image he tried to present, terrorism experts said.

"This is someone who realized that the image he conveyed was the main value he had to his movement," former CIA analyst Paul Pillar said. "It was part of his brand."

"This was a man who was obsessed with his image and rightly so," former acting CIA Director John McLaughlin said. "In a way, al Qaeda's most powerful tool was its use of video and its use of the Internet."

The videos also send a message to the others in al Qaeda that the United States now has a substantial trove of information from the very heart of the terror network.

The release says "that we have a lot of stuff that we took possession of on Sunday and that makes the other bad guys, other people in the organization fearful, uncertain and not sure what we got," Pillar said.

The first of the five videos shown was a previously unreleased message from bin Laden directed to the United States that was believed to have been filmed between Oct. 9 and Nov. 5 2010.

In the video, which begins with animated pre-production work, he appears to have dyed his beard black, is wearing a gold shawl over a white vestment and is wearing a white skullcap.

The second video, which runs over a minute long, shows bin Laden watching himself on television and holding the remote control to change the channels between what appear to be Arabic news channels.

The clip begins with a long shot of the screen, showing a list of satellite channels. The camera then pulls out and bin Laden is shown sitting down with a blanket over his shoulders and a wool cap. His beard is grey and white.

At one point bin Laden asks the cameraman to go back to the TV screen so it can focus on him holding a weapons.

It is unclear when or where this video was made and whether bin Laden was watching a live broadcast or a tape.

The remaining three videos appear to be practice sessions, possibly for the first video. In each of them he appears to stumble in his speech, stop and begin over.

This footage is among the trove of evidence found after the U.S. raid on the compound Sunday, when bin Laden and four others were killed.

"This is the single largest collection of senior terrorist materials ever," a senior intelligence official said.

The cache includes digital, audio, video, personal correspondence and documents, the official said.

The materials found "clearly show that bin Laden remained an active leader in al Qaeda strategically, tactically and operationally," and not the figurehead he was assumed to be, "making the recent operation even more essential to our nations security," the official said.

The materials show that bin Laden was plotting and conspiring terrorism focused on the United States, the official said.

The DNA analysis shows unquestionably that this was bin Laden, the senior intelligence official said. Based on the DNA evidence, the odds of the person killed in the raid not being bin Laden were 1 in 11.8 quadrillion, the official said.

The cache of electronic and handwritten materials obtained by the Navy SEALs who raided the compound includes numerous hallmark al Qaeda plots, including plans for attacks on infrastructure targets such as water supply and transportation including rail and air, in what one official described as a "strategic guide for how to attack the U.S."

It is unclear just how active bin Laden was in coordinating any operations or in blessing overall strategies and plots. One official said bin Laden appears to have thought of himself as something of a head coach to al Qaeda.

Source: Osama Bin Laden Home Videos Released by Pentagon - ABC News

 

[S.M.R]

Lolz....look at these pics..

The ear tragus is different

Facial hair growth patterns and cheekbones are clearly different to bona fide images of Bin Laden​

If some super power tells a lie, we are forced to believe that.

If some one questions about deficiencies, he is labeled as "CONSPIRACY THEORIST"

 

[Ahmad]

ok so stop using farsi here, go to farsi forum, or speak urdu or english only

very frustrated, ha? I can understand........

Promise, I wont use farsi from now on, but remember that Urdu itself is highly close to Farsi.

 

[Leader]

dont you think what i said above is correct? that is only a proverb which carries a meaning.

let time be the judge. and besides its not the end of the world for Pakistan.

 

[mughaljee]

let time be the judge. and besides it not the end of the world for Pakistan.

Agreed ....

 

[Major Sahab]

I call it OOD as follow:

O: Osama
O: Obama
D: Drama

This all was just a drama to enter into Pakistan.

 

[Solomon2]

...Here's what Pakistan must do during the entire 2nd term and the next first term:

...social development...Pakistani arm3ed forces purged of Islamist ideology and political ambition...terrorists either chased out of Pakistan or killed and Islamist ideology challenged...Material betterment...
These are the essentials of a narrative that the Pakistani state must deliver to Western audiences (read bankers, lawmakers and opinion makers) - all accomplished without calling anyone Zionist (even when they are)

Which Pakistani decision-makers must agree to all this AND have the power to start carrying it out?

 

[Porus]

pakistan's position is quite complex. Nah az deen shod, Nah az Dunia. hope you understand it.

Very well said Ahmad bro and allow me a minor change in this famous saying, "nah az deen shod,, nah az watan", this is the true character of the generals of Pakistan army. Whatever their policy/position is (you know in our country the military generals make policies), neither the rest of the world and nor the people of Pakitsan can ever understand it.

 

[Porus]

let time be the judge. and besides its not the end of the world for Pakistan.

Just another embarrasing moment for the people of Pakistan . Nothing changed after '65, '71, Siachen, and Kargil and nothing will change now. Some nations are not ready to learn anything from their grave political mistakes.

 

[ali_hunter2006@yahoo.com]

yes it is ryt that osama was a CIA body but i'm thinkin that may b posible osama got died befor this opration and nw Obama is stalling his score by this game hw it is posible that chopper cum and do this and kakul acdmi redar or any other defance system stop workin there are 1000000 question in local ppl mind and Obama still fail to convence them that Osama actually killed in the action by the command of CIA agent "EKIA" (enemy killed in action)

 

[Leader]

Just another embarrasing moment for the people of Pakistan . Nothing changed after '65, '71, Siachen, and Kargil and nothing will change now. Some nations are not ready to learn anything from their grave political mistakes.

slowly but surely we made progress. were we in a position to question the actions of the Army in 90s? even Majid Nizami was considered a traitor by army...

dont be hopeless.

 

[muse]

Which Pakistani decision-makers must agree to all this AND have the power to start carrying it out?

Depends on how this is sold -- If the US is more public and more insistent, this isn't going anywhere -

Anyway, this is just a part of the narrative, very few in Pakistan will be satisfied with a relationship with US that continues to have the kinds of features we have become used to for the last 6o odd years.

 

[Asian.Century]

Watch this - the truth:

Khari Baat Luqman Kay Sath ? 9th May 2011

 

[shree835]

Point Proved:

No-one safe in Pakistan...Not even Osama Bin laden.

Everyone safe in Hindustan ...Even, Ajmal Kasab.