Options for PAF After India Selects Rafale for MMRCA

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan is in Good Shape


2015

2010 Block 1 JF17 thunder
2011 Block 1 JF17 thunder 50 planes
2012 Block 2 JF17 thunder 75 planes
2013 Block 2 JF17 thunder 75 planes
2014 Block 2 JF17 thunder 50 planes
2015 Block 3 JF17 thunder 50 planes


300 JF17 Thunder , new engine , new avionics , superb BVR missile no restrictions on parts


By 2015
36 J10B fighters , loaded with SD10 and tested engine and avionics package fully integrated with awacs platform

By 2011-2012
36 F16 C/D fighters

By 2015
45 MLU F16 C/D level

By 2015 372 brand new fighters jets

Plus Pakistan has 200 Mirages Jets to gradually retire or move them to Navy
Plus Pakistan has 200 Chinese Jets to gradually retire or move them to Navy


Pakistan also has OPTION of 150 J10B fighters , to be considered for 2015
Pakistan also has option to consider J11 fighter to be considered for 2015

We are doing fine

>> We got Chinese AWACS
We got Sweedish AWCS
We got Refuelers

Fantastic

If France has not completed its order of Rafale , how can India expect to get its plane deliveries before France?

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan is in Good Shape


2015

2010 Block 1 JF17 thunder
2011 Block 1 JF17 thunder 50 planes
2012 Block 2 JF17 thunder 75 planes
2013 Block 2 JF17 thunder 75 planes
2014 Block 2 JF17 thunder 50 planes
2015 Block 3 JF17 thunder 50 planes


300 JF17 Thunder , new engine , new avionics , superb BVR missile no restrictions on parts


By 2015
36 J10B fighters , loaded with SD10 and tested engine and avionics package fully integrated with awacs platform

By 2011-2012
36 F16 C/D fighters

By 2015
45 MLU F16 C/D level

By 2015 372 brand new fighters jets

Plus Pakistan has 200 Mirages Jets to gradually retire or move them to Navy
Plus Pakistan has 200 Chinese Jets to gradually retire or move them to Navy


Pakistan also has OPTION of 150 J10B fighters , to be considered for 2015
Pakistan also has option to consider J11 fighter to be considered for 2015

We are doing fine

>> We got Chinese AWACS
We got Sweedish AWCS
We got Refuelers

Fantastic

If France has not completed its order of Rafale , how can India expect to get its plane deliveries before France?

Pakistan is going well in all departments related to Air Force but they should not order 36 J-10B and within ten years should increase number of J-10 B to 100 so we can counter India and and by that time China will have thousands of 4.5 Generation Planes so India will not have any superiority and also they will have to retire many many old planes

 

[GORKHALI]

Lol interesting how the words and self perceived thoughts change around too quickly .... once the mki was ultimate killing machine who was 2nd just to f-22 raptor... indians claimed that no aircraft other than f-22 is better than su3o-mki may it be Rafale or typhoon....and even people use to give examples of exercises in which mki out classed typhoon,f-16.f-15 and Rafale ....and now as the Rafale is declared he winner of MMRCA and people started to feel that its coming in IAF ...now certainly mki becomes not even worthy of 1 rafale this is your exact line and i quote "As to take on Rafale even sole SU 30mki is not enough".....uhhhhhhhh making mockery of urself kiddoo

Bache !!!!No Indian(Sensible one) ever claimed Su30 Mki is a world beater but certainly an asian beater which you or chinese still don't have in their Inventory.If you taking th Quottaion from Newbies then i must say you are still in their very much class of those newbies, Su 30 mki has its own limitation too and Rafale fullfill whatever drawbacks SU 30 mki got .

Typhoon is a great Plane No doubt about that but yet to be showacase its capability and on the other hand very much expensive to buy or maintain in her lifecycle.

PS-Brush up a bit about Military aviation 1st mate.Start reading sensible posts of Indian members before brain farting..

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We are good till 2020 , with current plans for Pakistan Airforce , we just need to worry about

Attaining Chinese 6 Submarines
SAM missiles for City/Stragetic point defence

 

[GORKHALI]

Ever heard of 4+++ generation ???Thats what 4.75 comes from

 

[Edevelop]

Rafale deal hasn't been signed yet---wait till March.
By that time, from February now to March will mean PAC will produce 2-5 aircrafts...
When India signs the deal by that time, it won't mean France will straight away send you all aircrafts. At most, you will have to wait delivieries at most by till 2015.
You cannot possibly handle your LCA project, lol, but you expect to make Rafale in India sooner?
As rightly said by AzadPakistani2009, we will have 372 Brand new fighter jets by that time...

 

[jagjitnatt]

Pakistan is in Good Shape


2015

2010 Block 1 JF17 thunder
2011 Block 1 JF17 thunder 50 planes
2012 Block 2 JF17 thunder 75 planes
2013 Block 2 JF17 thunder 75 planes
2014 Block 2 JF17 thunder 50 planes
2015 Block 3 JF17 thunder 50 planes

Are you talking 75 planes per year???

I must say amidst all the bad news, you are always full of optimism, unfortunately you go way overboard with your optimism without considering the ground realities.

You can never have so many planes per year. You will have max of 100 JF-17s by 2015, and 10-15 J10s. Nothing else.

Your fleet will actually shrink as you will retire the Mirages and other older aircraft.

 

[帅的一匹]

We are good till 2020 , with current plans for Pakistan Airforce , we just need to worry about

Attaining Chinese 6 Submarines
SAM missiles for City/Stragetic point defence

You mean six of this?
http://junshi.blog.china.com/201202/9317773.html

 

[帅的一匹]

Are you talking 75 planes per year???

I must say amidst all the bad news, you are always full of optimism, unfortunately you go way overboard with your optimism without considering the ground realities.

You can never have so many planes per year. You will have max of 100 JF-17s by 2015, and 10-15 J10s. Nothing else.

Your fleet will actually shrink as you will retire the Mirages and other older aircraft.

trolling......the actual number is at least three time of what you'd estimated.

 

[Edevelop]

Are you talking 75 planes per year???

I must say amidst all the bad news, you are always full of optimism, unfortunately you go way overboard with your optimism without considering the ground realities.

You can never have so many planes per year. You will have max of 100 JF-17s by 2015, and 10-15 J10s. Nothing else.

Your fleet will actually shrink as you will retire the Mirages and other older aircraft.

You are forgetting the fact that China has to deliver us the 50 JF-17s as an emergency...
Its sums it all up. We have productions lines in 2 countries. Most probably, the figure you will be looking at will be around 75...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well , by all accounts , the Production lines in Pakistan will nothing but expand and increase capacity every indication states that the production lines will increase

With out a doubt

That is why China purchased like 2000 Engines from Russia on top of the new engine research being done for JF17 thunder and also for J10B fighters

The real question is can be shift our 400 Mirage + Chinese fighter fleet to Navy or Give these planes up to other friendly countries

400 Mirage + Chinese fighters would make a excellent chip with Iran in return for 5 billion dollar worth of oil Credit , perhaps the funds could be invested into Submarines by Pakistan

I mean its a business proposition

Our Mirages and Chinese planes can last another 7-10 years easily

Not to mention the Mirages can be used to train pilots on Air to Air refueling techniques

 

[t_for_talli]

Sir their is no much difference now Sir and you will have these planes in 10 year time and by that time we will also have great numbers of J-10 B and JF -17 Block 2 and around 80 F -16

I am not saying any thing about J10 of any other plane
I am just stating the fact that with a budget that is 1/6th of India's you cannot have quality of you want to maintain a force which is 1/2 the size of India force
You have to make a compromise between quality and quantity if you have limited resources

 

[Nishan_101]

In the end the deal would increase the numbers to 200 planes and 300+ Su-30s. Does more ex-French mirages coming too make them to 100-110 Mirages.

 

[帅的一匹]

The first dog-fight traning video of J11B aftet Chinese New year.
?--??--??11"??"? ?

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

You are forgetting the fact that China has to deliver us the 50 JF-17s as an emergency...
Its sums it all up. We have productions lines in 2 countries. Most probably, the figure you will be looking at will be around 75...

In 2010 Feb you had about 20 JF 17s. 2 years later the figure is close to 48. So about 28 planes in 2 years @ 14 planes per year. and then you talk about adding 300 planes in next 4 years.. Calling this stupid is actually insulting stupid