Opposition to Islamic Caliphate thread

[Falcon29]

This thread will contain a list of hypocritices in Islamic Ummah who oppose freedom and victory for the Muslim peoples. I will need Asian members to help me update this thread. There will be 3 lists. Those for, undecied,and against the Caliphate. It's closer approaching that the enemies of God are showing their true colors and hating us for no reason other than us being Muslim. They oppose our sovereignty, they oppose our prosperity, they oppose us having freedom. But many Muslims also oppose this and have cooperated in unjust agendas such as cooperation with Israel or fighting for brutal regimes. We all know Israel, US , EU oppose Caliphate. For Latin nations, I see them as uninvolved in this affairs. China and Russia I haven't made up mind if they oppose it or not. So this thread will only mention list of collaborators, pimps , secularists in our Ummah who oppose an Islamic Caliphate. If you wish to disagree, tag me in post and in civilized manner give reasons why you disagree. The past events in ME have exposed the hypocritices in their war against Muslim children and peoples . And it's approaching in near future where they officially declare a violent war on God's followers. I think it's time we start informing each other and also treat these scum who claim to be Muslims as our enemies.

@Rakan.SA @dessert_eagle @Zarvan @Indos @Pakistani shaheens @others

For:
-Muslim Brotherhood
-Hamas
-Palestinian Islamic Jihad
-Other Palestinian Islamic Factions
-Lebanese Abdullah Azzam Brigades
-Lebanese Salafist movement
-Nusra Front
-ISIS
-Islamic Front of Syria
-Other Islamic factions in Syria
-Libyan Dawn
-Taliban of Afghanistan
-Somalian Islamic Factions
-Chechen Islamic factions
-converts to Islam from EU
-(Insert others)
-Kasmir Islamic factions
-Malaysia Islamic factions
-Bangladesh Islamic factions

Undecided:
-Saudi Arabian government
-Turkish government
-Pakistani government
-Qatar ?
-Houthis
Against:

-UAE
-Iran
-Iraq
-Hezbollah
-Egyptian government
-Iraqi Shia militias
-Assad regime
-Kuwait
-Lebanese government
-Every other Arab government
-Turkish secular movement

 

[Falcon29]

If you are in US , you should be in Jail for sure who is supporting such organisations openly. I hope administrators look towards this and ban this guy for having such aims.

Go cry me a river Indian.

 

[Mosamania]

Grow up kid.

 

[TankMan]

@Falcon29 you really need to clarify your position here.

Firstly, there is a huge difference between an actual, proper Islamic Caliphate and what the likes of ISIS are doing. The very basis of an Islamic State must be Justice, not just Caliphate. A Caliphate is worthless if it's oppressive and unjust.

Secondly, most of the groups you listed in 'for' are either too vaguely defined or just wrong. Like 'Somalian Islamic Factions' - which ones? There are dozens and they are killing each other.

And why is ISIS 'for' an Islamic Caliphate? All ISIS is an anti-Islamic, unjust, oppressive and murderous self-proclaimed 'Caliphate'.

Such a list is nothing more than Takfir brother and I'm strongly against it. If you want to make a geopolitical analysis regarding countries and their positions, do it without religious terms and make it solely from a political perspective.

 

[Falcon29]

Grow up kid.

http://www.startimes.com/f.aspx?t=34251621

@Falcon29 you really need to clarify your position here.

Firstly, there is a huge difference between an actual, proper Islamic Caliphate and what the likes of ISIS are doing. The very basis of an Islamic State must be Justice, not just Caliphate. A Caliphate is worthless if it's oppressive and unjust.

Secondly, most of the groups you listed in 'for' are either too vaguely defined or just wrong. Like 'Somalian Islamic Factions' - which ones? There are dozens and they are killing each other.

And why is ISIS 'for' an Islamic Caliphate? All ISIS is an anti-Islamic, unjust, oppressive and murderous self-proclaimed 'Caliphate'.

Such a list is nothing more than Takfir brother and I'm strongly against it. If you want to make a geopolitical analysis regarding countries and their positions, do it without religious terms and make it solely from a political perspective.

A caliphate would be created by Muslims based on the Sunnah. Not by one group known as ISIS. I'm just listing facts that this is declarations made by entities in ME.

As for Takfir, you realize the prophet stated Islam would be once again as it first began. That means Muslims would have to rebuild our Ummah just as it was first built. And it's not haram, I'm saying with full confidence who is kaffir and who isn't. The prophet said either the accuser is right or wrong. I am right.

This is no geopolitical analysis. I'm just listing facts. How exactly a caliphate will be formed or when is not something I'm trying to predict. That knowledge is with God.

 

[Koovie]

Cant believe people even consider these kind of things in the 21st century...

 

[Sinnerman108]

We are the enemies of God
We oppose our liberties
We never had much sovereignty
We oppose our own progress
We oppose our own education
We are responsible for every ill that is upon us today.

Like Bani Israel was themselves responsible for their ills
and as Hadith said, that Mohammad pbuh's people will do everything that bani israel did.

Se see truth now.

Stop conjuring up fictional stuff crafted by _____ people.

The Khilafa when it was, had its own problem; it wasn't too rosy then either and it won't be rose now for sure.

Truth of the matter is, the fire which has started now; will lead to some thing else.

 

[TankMan]

A caliphate would be created by Muslims based on the Sunnah. Not by one group known as ISIS. I'm just listing facts that this is declarations made by entities in ME.

Declarations mean nothing. By putting groups like ISIS in 'for', you're making them look like they're our friends or something. They aren't.

And you say 'Sunnah', but are you considering the difference between Sharia rulings and specific commands to the Prophet regarding specific situations? Very important.

Eg: Zakat is a Sharia ruling, applicable to all of us. ''Attack the polytheists of Makkah after the sacred months pass'' was a specific command, no longer applicable to us.

I'm pretty sure you understand it, but still raising the point as it is essential to avoid fatal misunderstandings.

 

[Falcon29]

We are the enemies of God
We oppose our liberties
We never had much sovereignty
We oppose our own progress
We oppose our own education
We are responsible for every ill that is upon us today.

Like Bani Israel was themselves responsible for their ills
and as Hadith said, that Mohammad pbuh's people will do everything that bani israel did.

Se see truth now.

Stop conjuring up fictional stuff crafted by _____ people.

The Khilafa when it was, had its own problem; it wasn't too rosy then either and it won't be rose now for sure.

Truth of the matter is, the fire which has started now; will lead to some thing else.

Only the last Khilifa will be one with full justice. Prophet stated that.

Declarations mean nothing. By putting groups like ISIS in 'for', you're making them look like they're our friends or something. They aren't.

And you say 'Sunnah', but are you considering the difference between Sharia rulings and specific commands to the Prophet regarding specific situations? Very important.

Eg: Zakat is a Sharia ruling, applicable to all of us. ''Attack the polytheists of Makkah after the sacred months pass'' was a specific command, no longer applicable to us.

I'm pretty sure you understand it, but still raising the point as it is essential to avoid fatal misunderstandings.

I'm only putting facts up brother. I can't claim these factions oppose one even if their interpretations are different. Yes I agree with your points too.

 

[-SINAN-]

@xenon54

Hazzy finally lost his mind.

 

[Mutakalim]

If you are in US , you should be in Jail for sure who is supporting such organisations openly. I hope administrators look towards this and ban this guy for having such aims.

kid grow up

 

[xenon54 out]

@xenon54

Hazzy finally lost his mind.

Again?
Damnit Hazzy how many times do i have to remind you to take your pills...

 

[TankMan]

I'm only putting facts up brother. I can't claim these factions oppose one even if their interpretations are different. Yes I agree with your points too.

Right, so you're simply sorting the groups according to their claimed support or opposition to a Caliphate? That's fine then, I don't see a problem with it except for the introductory paragraph which gives the wrong idea. You might want to edit it.

 

[C130]

If you are in US , you should be in Jail for sure who is supporting such organisations openly. I hope administrators look towards this and ban this guy for having such aims.

this is obvious troll bait. guy has a one track mind.
if it's against the U.S,UK,Israel, and the West and so called Imperialists this guy will support it

I can only hope him and like minded friends go to Raqqa,Syria and experience it..


— Tips

if you think he's serious and dangerous

 

[Mosamania]

http://www.startimes.com/f.aspx?t=34251621



A caliphate would be created by Muslims based on the Sunnah. Not by one group known as ISIS. I'm just listing facts that this is declarations made by entities in ME.

As for Takfir, you realize the prophet stated Islam would be once again as it first began. That means Muslims would have to rebuild our Ummah just as it was first built. And it's not haram, I'm saying with full confidence who is kaffir and who isn't. The prophet said either the accuser is right or wrong. I am right.

This is no geopolitical analysis. I'm just listing facts. How exactly a caliphate will be formed or when is not something I'm trying to predict. That knowledge is with God.

Why give me a pro-ISIS forum? Dude you seriously need to wake up and smell the coffee, I know you are angry that your angels on earth are considered terrorists by Hamas, so tell me what about the hundred and so Egyptian soldier killed by groups supported by Hamas? What about them? Or Hamas the Angels of God on Earth the smartest most handsomest most beautiful, ,most shining, most revered people on Earth who are saints and even demi-Gods of humanity can kill whoever they want? So Hamas killing Egyptian soldiers and civilians should just be left alone to kill whomever they wish to kill because they are your sacred Angels? Hamas F*'ed up and it f*ed up bad and should pay for its F*ck up.