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OPPORTUNITY - Pentagon suspends weapon deliveries to Iraq, leaving Iraqi F-16 fleet in the air

Jeez, this topic still going.

Why in the PAF section?

Just because the title reads 'Opportunity'.

Look in order to get F-16 is quite simple. You need two parties to agree. Pakistan should want them. US should be willing to give 'em.

Where they come from is irrelevant...Norway, Belgium, Egypt or...Iraq.
 
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Highly possible they will go for JF-17.


They never trust, they are being forced to initially. The US setup a puppet Iraqi government in the early days after the invasion. F-16 fleet was also forced upon to Iraqi and Iraqi oil are in exchange.


Not possible. Shia group in Iraqi are the majority. And their power base in South Iraq are strong.

Considering the JF-17 is a PAC/CAC project where PAC is owned by the Air Force; and If Pakistan can secure a large sale of the JF-17 (3-4 squadrons at least; 45-60 planes) the PAF should funnel some of that money back into a J-10C purchase. This will send a message that the PAF has transitioned away from the F-16, and can keep transitioning away if force to do so, as is being done to Iraq.
 
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Unless Iraq agrees to use the money it makes from selling the F-16s to buy another US fighter, the US will not allow a sale/transfer to Pakistan.

Back in the 1990s, the US wouldn't even release the money Pakistan paid for the Peace Gate III/IV F-16s, but Pakistan was banking on that money as a down payment towards the deal for Mirage 2000-5s from France.
 
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Without going into the sectarian strife in Iraq, I would say it has intentionally been fueled to keep Iraq divided along sectarian lines. Once the US withdraws there will be a power vacuum which will be stoked with selective killings and inflammatory speeches. The Sunnis will then rise up as they are already intending to and Iraq will be divided on sectarian lines. The Bulkanization of the amiddle East has started and the cow is being fattened for the slaughter.
Our Rasool Allah SAW said"Woe be to the Arabs for the great evil that is nearly approaching them". In my view His SAW prophecy is coming true now.
May Allah protect us all from the approaching evil. Ameen.
As to the 16s they are now going to be a handicap so best off avoided. Even if you were to ask they would not be sanctioned. Pakistan is in the cross hairs. We should be vary of buying weapons from the West".
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I hope sense of nationalism in Iraqi will overcome, all foreign attempts to start sectarian civil war.
There's only a minority, whom Iran command and surprisingly those appointed by US as well, are considered Iranian puppies.
Generally, Iraqi's are more than sick of excessive Iranian interference and divide it lead to.
Hope you are aware of protests in Iraq against Iran... and you as well know the background?
Iraq Protesters Burn Down Iran Consulate in Night of Anger

Apparently Iraqis will always choose US over Iran.
Iraqi Anti-gov't Protesters Rally Against Iran Strike

 
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The United States government has suspended weapon deliveries to Iraq following growing concerns about the ultimate fate of such exports. This comes after continued tensions since the assassination of Iranian command Qassem Soleimani in the country in early January.

Particularly vulnerable is Iraq’s fleet of F-16s. The current pause impacts the country’s ability to find spare parts and to maintain their aircraft.

A few weeks ago, some U.S. contractors had been withdrawn from Iraq as a result of the deteriorating security situation, with the evacuation completed by January 8th. According to Defense Department spokesperson Maj. Rob Lodewick, “due to concerns about the safety and security of their personnel supporting Iraqi F-16 operations at Balad Air Base, Iraq, Lockheed-Martin initiated an evacuation of their personnel on 4 January 2020.”

There is some concern that the continued presence of Iranian-linked militias in the country could result in a technology transfer to Tehran. Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq, a Shi’a paramilitary group that is now part of the state-aligned Popular Mobilization Units, is known to operate in the areas around Balad. With no U.S. personnel there, there is no way for the Pentagon to verify what level of information-gathering has taken place.

However, there is no evidence to suggest that such things have occurred as of yet.

At the same time, Defense Secretary Mark Esper told reporters that he is seeking to place Patriot Missiles in Iraq in order to counteract any future Iranian strikes. With the Iraqi parliament having now voted to expel all U.S. forces, Esper has taken on a decidedly more diplomatic tone, stressing that “We need the permission of the Iraqis.”

The withdrawal of contractors poses the threat of seriously degrading Iraq’s operational capabilities. The more severe the issue of unsustainability becomes, with the F-16s possibly becoming a liability, the more likely it is that Iraq may turn elsewhere for new aircraft.

Simultaneously, Iraq is once more looking into the possibility of purchasing Russian-made long-range air defense missiles. Iraqi Member of Parliament Karim Elaiwi, who sits on the security and defense committee, recently told the Wall Street Journal that “we need to get these missiles, especially after Americans have disappointed us many times by not helping us in getting proper weapons.”

If a purchase is in fact made, it would most likely be for the S-300 missiles, which were introduced into service in the late 1970s. Russia does not seek to risk their relationships with both the United States and Israel, with the latter having successfully penetrated the S-300 defenses in Syria.

However, Iraq could be subject to the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, a U.S. law that seeks to penalize countries that carry out large-scale arms purchases from countries like Russia.

Despite this, Iraq has purchased dozens of Russian T-90 tanks and increasingly been replacing American M1 Abrams.

NOTE - Now any "third country" could possibly buy them at a very good price and expand their fleet. How good are Pak-Iraq ties currently?

https://sofrep.com/news/pentagon-su...-to-iraq-leaving-iraqi-f-16-fleet-in-the-air/
Or, something similar can be provided as a replacement of these aircrafts, that also with zero probability of sanctions.
 
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Iraqi shia politicians are to blame; they want US to pack its bags and exit from the country completely.

Americans sold advanced equipment to Iraq with hope of creating lasting relations with the country. Well...
Yes, can get your point. However it's also because Iran has alot of influence over them, so some Iraqi's shia's officials in the government and many of their militias are more loyal to Tehran, so obviously they often try to push the US out of Iraq since their patrons in Tehran demand just that.
However there are also many in Iraq who are also deeply anti Iran and would rather have closer ties with the U.S . So Iraq is caught between two sides hence the conflict and destabilisation when these two camps clash and fight for influence.
 
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The best option for Iraq is to buy Thunders!

Once we trained their pilots too @Windjammer @MastanKhan

Without any fear of sanctions from Pakistan Iraq can build its airforce from ground up...

Regarding, F solaz...well... I doubt that the US will let PAF have it considering IndianFears!

Project AZM and Block3 all the way!
We can have a double game with iran, to keep them in check, Pak must assist iraq in military. Iran Iraq war and Pakistan’s support to iran set the iraqis off, they have a special hate for Pakistanis.

Is iraq recieving all this through aid or own money ?
 
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Well, we have supplied them with the Super Mashak and they also had a look at the JF-17...so sky is the limit.

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What imminent threats does iraq have except for those residing inside which require just A2G role ?

Just wait and watch....many were keenly waiting for Block-3 and now Bravo version also in production, the question of transition for many has also been addressed.
Can you help me comprehending this ?

Highly possible they will go for JF-17.


They never trust, they are being forced to initially. The US setup a puppet Iraqi government in the early days after the invasion. F-16 fleet was also forced upon to Iraqi and Iraqi oil are in exchange.


Not possible. Shia group in Iraqi are the majority. And their power base in South Iraq are strong.

How are China’s relation with iraq lately especially since Iraq has been trying to throw US out of it’s lands ?
 
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Unless Iraq agrees to use the money it makes from selling the F-16s to buy another US fighter, the US will not allow a sale/transfer to Pakistan.

Back in the 1990s, the US wouldn't even release the money Pakistan paid for the Peace Gate III/IV F-16s, but Pakistan was banking on that money as a down payment towards the deal for Mirage 2000-5s from France.

Iraqi oil revenue is upwards of $9 Billion a month.
https://thearabweekly.com/iraq-rakes-7-bn-oil-revenues-april-highest-2019

Considering the threat they still face from Daesh (as well as defending their sovereignty from Iran), the cost effective but thoroughly modern JF-17 should be ideal as a defensive, and limited offensive platform. They planned to receive 34 F-16; probably at $60 million if not more per plane plus support costs. They could easily get nearly twice that many JF-17s for the same amount of money.

Ultimately, A JF-17 sale could be seen as part of a larger realignment to partnership with China, and the JF-17 being the preferred fighter to defend OBOR.
 
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Ultimately, A JF-17 sale could be seen as part of a larger realignment to partnership with China, and the JF-17 being the preferred fighter to defend OBOR.
You won !!!

I was waiting for someone to mention this realignment/strategic shift with china and getting equipments on loan like Thunders, tanks, AD Systems. Furthermore, this will be a perfect opportunity to market and get these birds further war proven in iraq :-)
 
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How are China’s relation with iraq lately especially since Iraq has been trying to throw US out of it’s lands ?

China the biggest investor of Iraq and Iraq parliament vote to throw US out shall be a sign, Iraq are no more in line with US. Will not be surprised Iraqi hired Russian mercenary to help them fight ISIS.
 
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You won !!!

I was waiting for someone to mention this realignment/strategic shift with china and getting equipments on loan like Thunders, tanks, AD Systems. Furthermore, this will be a perfect opportunity to market and get these birds further war proven in iraq :-)

Thanks

Considering Pakistan's decades of experience customizing and servicing Chinese made equipment in the field, under battle conditions, it opens up the potential for a lot of contracts to service, and equip with Pakistani made munitions (but not man) Jets, Tanks, Air Defense batteries and C4ISR systems.
 
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Refer back to post # 19 above. Iraqi Shia groups are creating problems for Iraq.

Scores of countries are operating American equipment otherwise. Pakistani F-16 fleet is also operational and well-maintained at present. Of-course, having access to American equipment entails having a working relationship with USA itself, and why is this an issue? Any arms supplier in the world have similar terms.

Look let's be honest

Pakistan itself has suffered from the U.S's casual strings attached approach to weapons supply

I can write a long post of where, when and how the U.S can suddenly for its own interests leave a country high and dry and unable to use purchased weapons or have existing weapons maintained etc

But what's the point


Bottom line is you can't trust the U.S so for Muslim countries especially there is no point in trying to buying American weapons that require long term U.S approval or involvement


Whether it be Iraq or Egypt etc , we should be pushing a no strings attached JF17 to multiple countries to work in partnership with other aircraft

Muslim countries need to wean themselves off U.S weapons
 
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Look let's be honest

Pakistan itself has suffered from the U.S's casual strings attached approach to weapons supply

I can write a long post of where, when and how the U.S can suddenly for its own interests leave a country high and dry and unable to use purchased weapons or have existing weapons maintained etc

But what's the point


Bottom line is you can't trust the U.S so for Muslim countries especially there is no point in trying to buying American weapons that require long term U.S approval or involvement


Whether it be Iraq or Egypt etc , we should be pushing a no strings attached JF17 to multiple countries to work in partnership with other aircraft

Muslim countries need to wean themselves off U.S weapons

Not no Strings attached, just simple strings that cover Pakistan and China's Interests. The plane can not be shared with nations or entities hostile to either nation. Pakistan or China should upgrade contracts, weapons, or a deal can be signed for transfer of technology.
 
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