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Operation Zarb-e-Azb

no thats alright we chat on facebook already dont we?

if we ever talk or meet up then it will be food or photography no bloody politics and religion. ..

Of course I would that enjoy that very much.

PS: I am no longer on FB, if you have not noticed it already. My online presence will likely fade further with time.

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Back to the topic, are there any potential implications for the military operation from the religious point of view, considering that it is the holy month?
 
Back to the topic, are there any potential implications for the military operation from the religious point of view, considering that it is the holy month?
indeed,
but we didnt se much due to so much happening in the middle east so the religious right is either busy sending faithful to slay the lesser Muslims in the name of Jihad or destroying public and private property in the name of condemning Israeli bombardment.
the terrorists might strike on last Friday of Ramadan like last time. no the religious parties are waiting for something major like that to happen to give their verdict of "we told you so".
 
indeed,
but we didnt se much due to so much happening in the middle east so the religious right is either busy sending faithful to slay the lesser Muslims in the name of Jihad or destroying public and private property in the name of condemning Israeli bombardment.
the terrorists might strike on last Friday of Ramadan like last time. no the religious parties are waiting for something major like that to happen to give their verdict of "we told you so".

Yes, that is a real danger. The terrorists will likely stage something large to show that they are not suppressed by the present FATA operation. After all, they know they just need to get lucky now and then, while the security forces must maintain their high state of vigilance at all times, in a sustained manner. Fatigue sets in sooner or later, and that is when vulnerabilities arise.
 
Yes, that is a real danger. The terrorists will likely stage something large to show that they are not suppressed by the present FATA operation. After all, they know they just need to get lucky now and then, while the security forces must maintain their high state of vigilance at all times, in a sustained manner. Fatigue sets in sooner or later, and that is when vulnerabilities arise.
Operation zarb e azb is ninth Operation till now.I don't know as if it will be the last Operation or not,either longest or shortest. ..but I do believe that unless we won't be chopping off those hands which are funding them from outside,we won't be able to get rid of them permanently. Mark my words ,we will be winning 50% of war if we will be able to get rid of those elements which are harboring them.
Regards
 
isnt it "ZARB - e - ghazab (anger) " ?

ضرب غضب

what is wrong with u ppl ? :D why do have to pronounce everything differently ? :lol:
Well we would have pronounced it as ghazab if is it really be pronounced and mean like that.However,the word is azb not ghazab.
The word ghazab and azab are two entirely different terms.
The word azb literally means "sharp and cutting strike". "Azb" also refers to the name of the sword of the PROPHET Muhammad (s a.w) which he used in the Battle of badr and the Battle of uhud. Did you even bother to read the article?:D
P.s,in Urdu language,the words ghazab is pronounced as it is:D
regards
 
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Operation zarb e azb is ninth Operation till now.I don't know as if it will be the last Operation or not,either longest or shortest. ..but I do believe that unless we won't be chopping off those hands which are funding them from outside,we won't be able to get rid of them permanently. Mark my words ,we will be winning 50% of war if we will be able to get rid of those elements which are harboring them.
Regards

Foreign funding is only one aspect of this huge problem, and not even a major one at that. A lot of the funding is from within Pakistan's borders and certainly enough to sustain the terrorists. And all the military operations have been directed towards small areas, whereas their safe harbors are spread across the country, from FATA and the Northern Areas all the way down to Karachi. Given the support from large swathes of society that regards them as holy warriors fighting for the supremacy of Islam, it would be reasonable to assume that the present operation will only hand a temporary setback to the terrorists. They will bounce back relatively easily, in my view.
 
Well we would have pronounced it as ghazab if is it really be pronounced and mean like that.However,the word is azb not ghazab.
The word ghazab and azab are two entirely different terms.
The word azb literally means "sharp and cutting strike". "Azb" also refers to the name of the sword of the PROPHET Muhammad (s a.w) which he used in the Battle of badr and the Battle of uhud. Did you even bother to read the article?:D
P.s,in Urdu language,the words ghazab is pronounced as it is:D
regards
My bad mate :D
 
Foreign funding is only one aspect of this huge problem, and not even a major one at that. A lot of the funding is from within Pakistan's borders and certainly enough to sustain the terrorists. And all the military operations have been directed towards small areas, whereas their safe harbors are spread across the country, from FATA and the Northern Areas all the way down to Karachi. Given the support from large swathes of society that regards them as holy warriors fighting for the supremacy of Islam, it would be reasonable to assume that the present operation will only hand a temporary setback to the terrorists. They will bounce back relatively easily, in my view.
That is why I have always emphasized that a war can only become successful when it is fought in all fronts;at every level.
I reckon that there is change in thinking of people.Just like people of swat were changed after their bad experience.So,we can easily hold our people back and kill the ones which are one of these outfits as they are too fragile and can be easily handled.However, it is much difficult to handle those hands which are providing them weapons,hide outs and training them to destroy us.
Regards
 
That is why I have always emphasized that a war can only become successful when it is fought in all fronts;at every level.
I reckon that there is change in thinking of people.Just like people of swat were changed after their bad experience.So,we can easily hold our people back and kill the ones which are one of these outfits as they are too fragile and can be easily handled.However, it is much difficult to handle those hands which are providing them weapons,hide outs and training them to destroy us.
Regards

With what you have said above, it is obvious that you can see that this present operation is also as limited as the previous ones, and will meet the same failures in eliminating terrorism from wider society.

I have raised this alarm time and again: Pakistani society is on a path towards increasing radicalization to the point where the extremist's points of view will become accepted by the majority. Then what do we do?
 
With what you have said above, it is obvious that you can see that this present operation is also as limited as the previous ones, and will meet the same failures in eliminating terrorism from wider society.

I have raised this alarm time and again: Pakistani society is on a path towards increasing radicalization to the point where the extremist's points of view will become accepted by the majority. Then what do we do?
Yes, I understand that is why the ultimate solution is to wage war at every level.We must understand that what is causing an increase in radicalization??
Is India,Jew or Us is responsible? nah..!
Before you have done specialization in medical sciences,I don't know as if you have ever studied about harmful mushrooms,which grow up due to various environmental factors provided by nature to them,as a result of which they insert their hyphae (root like organs ) to the roots of plants,extract their food and release infection to weaken the plant, through hyphae.
Same analogy is applied to Pakistan,these radical groups are appearing as mushrooms due to injustice, lack of education which has resulted into extremism-the basic unit of radicalization.
Regards
 
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Same analogy is applied to Pakistan,these radical groups are appearing as mushrooms due to injustice, lack of education which has resulted into extremism-the basic unit of radicalization.

That sentence is deep and true, but all the evidence seems to suggest that Pakistan is content to merely act superficially, for it is easier to conduct periodic operations to give the impression of doing something, than to deal with the root causes that you have clearly identified. Providing justice, education and social development is a tall order for present-day Pakistan, and hence it is reasonable to conclude that terrorism will continue to flourish.
 
The realization that terrorist leaders have escaped the present operation is gaining wider acceptance. The real question to answer is whether this was deliberate on part of the Army or not.

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Pakistan’s border badlands: Double games | The Economist

Pakistan’s border badlands
Double games
Could the country be getting a taste of its own medicine?
Jul 12th 2014 | ISLAMABAD | From the print edition

IT IS impossible to defeat an insurgency, an American commander of NATO’s forces in Afghanistan once said between clenched teeth, when the insurgents enjoy an inviolable sanctuary in a neighbouring country. The problem has plagued the 13-year military effort in Afghanistan. Foreign and Afghan forces have been unable to deal a knockout blow to the Taliban when so much of their infrastructure remains intact just across the border, in the badlands of north-western Pakistan.

Now, it is Pakistan’s turn to feel the frustration. Its army is in the thick of long-awaited operations to clear Pakistani militants from North Waziristan, one of the tribal agencies bordering Afghanistan. This week it appears to have regained control of the remote region’s capital, Miranshah. But the government in Islamabad is crying foul over the presence of militant safe havens on Afghan soil. The Pakistani army has renewed calls for Afghanistan to catch Mullah Fazlullah, leader of the Tehreek-e-Taliban (TTP). Known also as the Pakistani Taliban, the TTP is an umbrella grouping of violent Islamists and is Pakistan’s gravest threat (it is reckoned to have few formal links to its Afghan namesake). Mr Fazlullah could be hiding in Kunar or Nuristan, two of Afghanistan’s eastern provinces.

Many Afghans regard the call as exceptional cheek from a country that for years has done little to clear its vast swathe of north-western territory of workshops making bombs destined for Afghanistan and radical madrassas indoctrinating Afghan fighters. The senior leadership of the Afghan Taliban, the Quetta Shura, is even named after the Pakistani city in which most of its members live.

Indeed, many in the Pakistani establishment have actively assisted a movement regarded as useful in Pakistan’s obsessive struggle to lessen Indian influence in Afghanistan. Pakistan has other reasons to resent Afghanistan, which voted against Pakistan’s membership of the UN in 1947. It thinks Afghanistan vies for the affections of ethnic Pashtuns living in Pakistan. Many of them live in a part of Pakistan that Afghanistan claims the British Raj took unfairly. For all these reasons, since the mid-1970s Pakistan has backed Islamist militants as proxies in Afghanistan.

Many Pakistanis think Afghanistan is now getting its own back. In cahoots with India, they say, Afghanistan is both helping the TTP and stoking rebellion in the restive Pakistani province of Balochistan. Western diplomats say this view is overblown. In both instances Afghan assistance is marginal at best. It is also unclear what Afghanistan’s hard-pressed security forces could do about Nuristan, a place so tough that NATO abandoned it in 2010 after failing to subdue it.

But perhaps Afghanistan has tried playing its own double game. In late 2013 American soldiers arrested a senior TTP commander after he was tracked to a secret meeting with Afghan intelligence officers. A diplomat likens the situation to a devilish game-theory puzzle. Mutual co-operation would produce the best outcome for all. But players seem unable to resist striking each other.

An optimistic view is that Pakistan’s decision to launch Operation Zarb-e-Azb (loosely translated: “strike of the Prophet’s sword”) on June 15th in a bid to clear North Waziristan of militants suggests it has at last understood that a shocking increase in domestic terrorism far outweighs any possible advantages from the long-standing policy of backing militants. And though army officers have been notably reluctant to identify Afghan insurgent groups by name—and the deadly Haqqani network in particular—they insist the operation will make no distinction between foreign and domestic terrorists. Many analysts remain sceptical, however. After all, Afghan insurgents in North Waziristan seem to have had ample time to make themselves scarce before the operation began.

From the print edition: Asia
 
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