Operation Zarb-e-Azb | Is it the solution?

[R2D2]

Military operation is a part of political strategy. Look at what/s happening in politics! IK and TUQ warming up to remove NS govt. Shaikh Rashid and Chaudhry's with them. With today's unfolding events in Model town and killing of 8 and injury of more than hundred political situation moving towards meltdown. Now, every one is trying to gain from situation as to who will form next govt. Army as a group also wants to form govt for next 10 years. So, to regain public trust and emerge as heroes, or to preempt joint attack by TTP and Afghan Taliban next year, this operation was launched. But my analysis is that the insurgents will melt away from NW and then start protracted hit and run operations and IED explosions all over the country, the Afghan Taliban will join them and the whole country will be in flames for the next THREE years. Hence, the Operation ZARB e AZB (Asif Zardari-Bhutto) will fail. So, a military takeover will be required to put everything in order and for that NS will be blamed for not supporting the army and miserable government performance as well as corruption. The conclusion is MERAY AZEEM HUMWATNO!!

SUN ZU said that the best strategy is to take over the enemy's forces without a fight. An easier better strategy out of this mess created by Musharraf having political-insurgent-military dimensions will be formation of Khilafat by the Army (as proposed under Islamic Pakistan thread by someone else). The TTP to be reconciled and recruited as Jennisary division of Army based on Ottoman model. The raison de etre for fighting between the TTP and Army/Government will end. Objectives resolution to be implemented in letter and spirit. Islamic Constitution developed by Taqiuddin An Nabhani can serve as model. Pashtun areas in Afghanistan and Afghan Taliban will also join such a government voluntarily next year after US moves out. Look at spectacular victories of Taliban in 1996 and ISIS in Iraq this year. But this will require a serious out of the box thinking. Why go for 10 year rule when a better and long term option exists.

 

[R2D2]

SUN ZU said that the best strategy is to take over the enemy's forces without a fight.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Military operation is a part of political strategy. Look at what/s happening in politics! IK and TUQ warming up to remove NS govt. Shaikh Rashid and Chaudhry's with them. With today's unfolding events in Model town and killing of 8 and injury of more than hundred political situation moving towards meltdown. Now, every one is trying to gain from situation as to who will form next govt. Army as a group also wants to form govt for next 10 years. So, to regain public trust and emerge as heroes, or to preempt joint attack by TTP and Afghan Taliban next year, this operation was launched. But my analysis is that the insurgents will melt away from NW and then start protracted hit and run operations and IED explosions all over the country, the Afghan Taliban will join them and the whole country will be in flames for the next THREE years. Hence, the Operation ZARB e AZB (Asif Zardari-Bhutto) will fail. So, a military takeover will be required to put everything in order and for that NS will be blamed for not supporting the army and miserable government performance as well as corruption. The conclusion is MERAY AZEEM HUMWATNO!!

SUN ZU said that the best strategy is to take over the enemy's forces without a fight. An easier better strategy out of this mess created by Musharraf having political-insurgent-military dimensions will be formation of Khilafat by the Army (as proposed under Islamic Pakistan thread by someone else). The TTP to be reconciled and recruited as Jennisary division of Army based on Ottoman model. The raison de etre for fighting between the TTP and Army/Government will end. Objectives resolution to be implemented in letter and spirit. Islamic Constitution developed by Taqiuddin An Nabhani can serve as model. Pashtun areas in Afghanistan and Afghan Taliban will also join such a government voluntarily next year after US moves out. Look at spectacular victories of Taliban in 1996 and ISIS in Iraq this year. But this will require a serious out of the box thinking. Why go for 10 year rule when a better and long term option exists.

despite having a slightly different point of view I think this is a good post and deserves a separate thread.. I urge you to expand on it with headers and make a new thread in strategies section..

 

[Cheetah786]

Military operation is a part of political strategy. Look at what/s happening in politics! IK and TUQ warming up to remove NS govt. Shaikh Rashid and Chaudhry's with them. With today's unfolding events in Model town and killing of 8 and injury of more than hundred political situation moving towards meltdown. Now, every one is trying to gain from situation as to who will form next govt. Army as a group also wants to form govt for next 10 years. So, to regain public trust and emerge as heroes, or to preempt joint attack by TTP and Afghan Taliban next year, this operation was launched. But my analysis is that the insurgents will melt away from NW and then start protracted hit and run operations and IED explosions all over the country, the Afghan Taliban will join them and the whole country will be in flames for the next THREE years. Hence, the Operation ZARB e AZB (Asif Zardari-Bhutto) will fail. So, a military takeover will be required to put everything in order and for that NS will be blamed for not supporting the army and miserable government performance as well as corruption. The conclusion is MERAY AZEEM HUMWATNO!!

SUN ZU said that the best strategy is to take over the enemy's forces without a fight. An easier better strategy out of this mess created by Musharraf having political-insurgent-military dimensions will be formation of Khilafat by the Army (as proposed under Islamic Pakistan thread by someone else). The TTP to be reconciled and recruited as Jennisary division of Army based on Ottoman model. The raison de etre for fighting between the TTP and Army/Government will end. Objectives resolution to be implemented in letter and spirit. Islamic Constitution developed by Taqiuddin An Nabhani can serve as model. Pashtun areas in Afghanistan and Afghan Taliban will also join such a government voluntarily next year after US moves out. Look at spectacular victories of Taliban in 1996 and ISIS in Iraq this year. But this will require a serious out of the box thinking. Why go for 10 year rule when a better and long term option exists.

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[Zarvan]

An easier way out of this mess created by Musharraf having political-insurgent-military dimensions will be formation of Khilafat by the Army (as proposed under Islamic Pakistan thread by someone else). The TTP to be reconciled and recruited as Jennisary division of Army based on Ottoman model. The raison de etre for fighting between the TTP and Army/Governement will end. Objectives resolution to be implemented in letter and spirit. Islamic Constitution developed by Taqiuddin An Nabhani can serve as model. Pashtun areas in Afghanistan and Afghan Taliban will also join such a government voluntarily next year after US moves out. Look at spectacular victories of Taliban in 1996 and ISIS in Iraq this year. But this will require a serious out of the box thinking. Why go for 10 year rule when a better and long term option exists.

Let me guess you are member of famous HT yes I agree to stop support of these groups Musharraf mistakes need to rectified shariat needs to be implemented with full force by state and also try to form EU type thing first between Muslims Countries at least for Sunni Block but Army is not the source which it should yes it should put pressure but some how trying to support mutiny is not a good thing it would be complete chaos Army is fighting force only problem in 2003 it was led by a man who sold himself and the country to USA Musharraf they just followed ordered and attacked the area who they were given orders to attack that is how they are trained they just follow orders but leaders need to act according to Islam but mutiny Army is no way an option

 

[R2D2]

I am not a member of Hizb ut Tahrir. I do not support their method. I follow Dr Israr Ahmed's thought for revival of Khilafah.

 

[Cheetah786]

This so called retard warned you not to enter in Tribal areas in 2003 other wise Pakistan will get stuck but slave of USA muhsarraf was too arrogant to listen and to busy in serving his masters and USA and from that day on peace situation has gotten destroyed and the thing which started the problem will never solve it but some are too lame to understand this so let operation take place after an year every body will know nothing has improved

Mr Zarvan Here is what you are not understanding up until know most of the so called actions against the terrorist have been only on paper.
So please dont for a second think if the Military actually wanted these scums would have a chance in or outside FATA areas.

 

[R2D2]

An impassioned call for peace

We, Pakistanis and Muslims have a long history of association with Khilafah. First we supported the Ottomans during the Khilafat movement led by Maulana Muhammad Ali Jauher during 1st World War. Then Dr. Israr Ahmed started peaceful preaching for revival of Khilafah from Lahore in the seventies. Among those influenced by him were the Sharif biradran. So much so that Nawaz Sharif planned to declare Khilafah in the nineties when he was removed by Qadiani Musharraf.

In the meantime, in the Arab World Shaikh Taqiuddin An Nabhani, who was a jurist during Ottoman time in Palestine launched the movement for the revival of Khilafah in Jordan in 1951. Now Hizb ut Tahrir has spread all over the Islamic World. The greatest contribution of An Nabhani was development of the Islamic Constitution.

Most of the Islamic movements in the world are united for revival of Khilafah. The Khilafah passed from the four rightly guided Caliphs to Ommayyads and from them to the Abbasides. When they became weak the Ottomans took the mantle. When the Ottomans became weak, the Khilafah was abolished.

There are two parties with weapons in Pakistan, the Army and the Taliban. They are fighting needlessly because of misconceptions, international conspiracy and Qadiani mischief of Musharraf. When the two were united, they defeated the Russians and liberated the whole of Central Asia

Now, the Pakistanis are the most ablest nation among Muslims to revive Khilafah.

It is time for the army and the people to reconcile and give their bayt, to whomsoever becomes the Caliph to take the message of Islam forward and liberate Kashmir and Palestine.

Revival of Khilafah is a religious obligation upon all Muslims and they cannot lead their individual, collective, social, economic and political life without Khilafah as can be seen from different failed experiments carried out in the Muslim world and especially Pakistan since the British rule ended.

Khilafah

 

[Zarvan]

Mr Zarvan Here is what you are not understanding up until know most of the so called actions against the terrorist have been only on paper.
So please dont for a second think if the Military actually wanted these scums would have a chance in or outside FATA areas.

Yes Yes Sir off course after one year you will know they are still there sir until than remain happy

 

[R2D2]

Let me guess you are member of famous HT yes I agree to stop support of these groups Musharraf mistakes need to rectified shariat needs to be implemented with full force by state and also try to form EU type thing first between Muslims Countries at least for Sunni Block but Army is not the source which it should yes it should put pressure but some how trying to support mutiny is not a good thing it would be complete chaos Army is fighting force only problem in 2003 it was led by a man who sold himself and the country to USA Musharraf they just followed ordered and attacked the area who they were given orders to attack that is how they are trained they just follow orders but leaders need to act according to Islam but mutiny Army is no way an option

How is it mutiny if COAS declares Khilafah?

 

[Zarvan]

How is it mutiny if COAS declares Khilafah?

I thought you were HT member they want to create mutiny in Army to achieve their goals and I am completely against that it is disaster for Pakistan Army

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I thought you were HT member they want to create mutiny in Army to achieve their goals and I am completely against that it is disaster for Pakistan Army

Mister you should not talk against Islam.
taking haram American dollars to kill our brothers is against the Shariah.
we should only accept Riyals.

 

[R2D2]

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Thanks

 

[Secur]

Mister you should nto talk against Islam.
taking haram American dollars to kill our brothers is against the Shariah.
we should only accept Riyals.

Ya Habibi !

Do you not know the contribution of Petro-Riyals coming from Gulf countries to the Jihadi groups fighting to UPHOLD Islam in this country ? How dare you use sarcasm to malign the purest of all Muslims- the Arabs ?

 

[Screambowl]

Military operation is a part of political strategy. Look at what/s happening in politics! IK and TUQ warming up to remove NS govt. Shailh Rashid and Chaudhry's with them. With today's unfolding events in Model town and killing of 8 and injury of more than hundred political situation moving towards meltdown. Now, every one is trying to gain from situation as to who will form next govt. Army as a group also wants to form govt for next 10 years. So, to regain public trust and emerge as heroes, this operation was launched. But my analysis is that the insurgents will melt away from NW and then start protracted hit and run operations and IED explosions all over the country, the Afghan Taliban will join them and the whole country will be in flames for the next three years. Hence, the Operation AZB (Asif Zardari-Bhutto) will fail. So, a military takeover will be required to put everything in order and for that NS will be blamed for not supporting the army and miserable government performance as well as corruption. The conclusion is MERAY AZEEM HUMWATNO!!

Do you know it is a very serious point you have made. And under such conditions, if this is the attitude then you know the outcomes, what Military did in 2000.