Open letter to IK by a PTI supporter....

[TankMan]

What a waste of time.

Honestly, what do people get out of writing an essay, which the other person fails or doesn't even read? Do people really have so much time on their hands for "internet fight?"


he was coming before the killings for his revolution.

The killings just became an excuse

It's what happens when you decide to spend your extra time on PDF

If the other guy can write an essay of his own,he can read someone else's essay.
Not really, no. Qadri might have had his problems with the government but the whole "Revolution" thing started properly after the Model town incident.

 

[Jango]

I don't know what the wording says but I can try to make sense out of numbers. So I am assuming you are telling me about NS's corruption?
If you re-read my post that you responded to, you'll see I am not Pro-NS. I am Pro-Pakistan with Democracy and Better economy. I don't know how to respond to your post honestly. Translate in English and I'll try but remember, I am not pro-NS or anyone.

So you are telling me you can't read Urdu, but still you have a better understanding of Pakistani politics than the rest of us?

 

[WishLivePak]

So you are telling me you can't read Urdu, but still you have a better understanding of Pakistani politics than the rest of us?

Zardari can't read urdu, yet he became president. US can't understand urdu, yet Pakistan welcomes them meddling in their affairs. On top, they know more about Pakistani politics than Pakistanis themselves.

Urdu is not a necessity to understand politics. There are english newspaper too.

I shall purchase a tin foil hat, comments such as you post make it a life necessity

It's what happens when you decide to spend your extra time on PDF

If the other guy can write an essay of his own,he can read someone else's essay.
Not really, no. Qadri might have had his problems with the government but the whole "Revolution" thing started properly after the Model town incident.

Usually I don't type essays, but get some in return. I simply tell the poster I didn't read it. They must be so mad after reading it, hehe

 

[qamar1990]

Open letter to Imran Khan, from a PTI voter - Blogs - DAWN.COM

Weary of the hypocrisy, corruption and incompetence of generations of politicians, we were praying for change and riddance from this unending cycle of betrayal and failure.

No one expected this from the traditional lot of dynastic politicians, which is almost entirely composed of feudal and tribal lords, mullahs, mill owners, hereditary peers and the nouveaux riches. The only policies these politicians followed, revolved around the interests of their own families, and biradaris of their respective parties.

Millions of people deemed Imran Khan to be a different leader — one who acquired his role the hard way.

For the downtrodden, it seemed Imran had that fire and dedication needed to materialise the dream of meaningful change. They trusted their celebrated captain and voted for him, hoping to see a wise and dauntless leader — a true representative of their hopes.

I was one of those people.

Also read: An open letter to PM Nawaz

On May 11, 2013, I voted for Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf because among many other reasons, a movement for justice seemed so much more than the hollow, lofty chants of Roti! Kapra! Makan! and 'Asian Tiger'; or an election manifesto built around curbing obscenity and nudity.

I had thought then, that Imran may lack political acumen and cunning; and he may just be a novice; but his integrity at least, is beyond question.

I believed that Imran, having had significant international exposure, would be able to put Pakistan on the path of progress and modernity; his international standing bridging the gap between Pakistan and the rest of the world.

I hoped he would improve the education available to common Pakistanis (as opposed to children of the elite), getting rid of the elements which make them intolerant and conservative. I expected him to put his sportsman's spirit to good use in Pakistan's volatile and strife-stricken politics.

A worthy sportsman could become a worthy statesman, I thought.

Read on: What's wrong with our Kaptaans?

Like myself, thousands of PTI supporters were sure that the Imran Khan-led movement for justice will set a commendable example in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa; an example of good governance, planning, sensible decision-making and innovation.

But the events of last week are compelling some of us more sensitive PTI supporters to think that perhaps all expectations were premature, simplistic or just tragically wrong.

Pakistan's democratic system finds Imran Khan suddenly marching toward it on a collision course. In Khan, they now see a man making unreasonable demands while pursuing the just and reasonable cause of electoral transparency.

They question the indiscriminate blame-game initiated by our leader. People want to know why he has started to make a new demand every new day.

I personally feel that this attitude of his has raised serious questions about his motives and designs.

I'm asked, what is the difference between Imran Khan and any other power hungry politician?

In such an atmosphere of crises, and against the dwindling party position of PTI, I keep asking myself these puzzling questions:

1. If rigging was so widespread, why was the outcome of the elections accepted in the first place?
   
   
2. Why does PTI keep demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif - is he the sole culprit behind rigging?
   
   
3. Why doesn't PTI have a better partner in this regime-toppling game other than a 'revolutionary' goon?
   
   
4. Why does Imran think he can accuse anyone, any time, anywhere of rigging, without enough evidence?
   
   
5. Why is it so that PTI is accused of U-turns and new demands everyday?
   
   
6. And most of all, I want to know, why does Imran Khan's PTI have the clearly indefensible and hypocritical stance regarding resignations from assemblies? You are resigning from all assemblies but not from the KP assembly because you are in power there? How was the electoral process in KP different from the rest of the country?

Take a look: PTI’s empty threats

I can only hope that the captain will review his confrontational policies, which are accelerating the country towards chaos and uncertainty.

I consider myself an insafian, which means I stand for progress, transparency and justice; not for politics of crisis and confrontation.

The supporters of Imran Khan have the right to ask him not to fail democracy, and Pakistan.

@WishLivePak @orangzaib @cb4 @Aeronaut

i knew this was going to be dawn….
btw @orangzaib is an american you idiots are tagging him thinking he is pakistani simply from his name…

The worst channel is ARY news they are stooges of Musharraf, MQM etc. Their primary target is to encourage anarchy in the country. This channel must be shut down.

koi khuda da khuf kar….
geo is the worst channel… it is a treasonous channel. Ary and general musharraf were and are both patriotic for pakistan.. they want nothing but good for our country…

 

[WishLivePak]

i knew this was going to be dawn….
btw is an american you idiots are tagging him thinking he is pakistani simply from his name…


koi khuda da khuf kar….
geo is the worst channel… it is a treasonous channel. Ary and general musharraf were and are both patriotic for pakistan.. they want nothing but good for our country…

hey saag khor, mind removing the tags when you quote? It sends every one of us notifications.

 

[qamar1990]

hey saag khor, mind removing the tags when you quote? It sends every one of us notifications.

ok mr ghadar… but tell the admins to do something about it.. @WebMaster

 

[WishLivePak]

It's what happens when you decide to spend your extra time on PDF

If the other guy can write an essay of his own,he can read someone else's essay.
Not really, no. Qadri might have had his problems with the government but the whole "Revolution" thing started properly after the Model town incident.

Qadri said he will bring revolution before the killings.

ok mr ghadar… but tell the admins to do something about it..

I don't think it works, it's software limitations.

Jist remove tags next time, ok?

 

[qamar1990]

I read it few days ago. Was going to post it. But then mods merge threads and it loses the significance.

The author holds similar views that I'm expressing here. Sadly I get called paid Indian. Let's see if they call Dawn indian paid as well.

Also aeronaut leans more towards PTI. If you're looking for more impartial people to add, choose jungibaz or chak bamu.

yes add people who are against pti instead of adding both sides??

 

[WishLivePak]

i knew this was going to be dawn….
btw is an american you idiots are tagging him thinking he is pakistani simply from his name…


koi khuda da khuf kar….
geo is the worst channel… it is a treasonous channel. Ary and general musharraf were and are both patriotic for pakistan.. they want nothing but good for our country…

Musharaf gave license to geo channel. try him for treason

yes add people who are against pti instead of adding both sides??

are you saying the two mods are anti pti?

I said they're impartial, like me

I'll be onto pmln in thrust mode when pti dies down

 

[qamar1990]

Qadri said he will bring revolution before the killings.

Musharaf gave license to geo channel. try him for treason

he gave freedom to the media… which included geo… musharraf is not able to predict the future.
once he found out this channel is full of crap.. he tried to harass them and scare them but it didn't work, he was also right about our chief minister… when he took that bastard off.
when i look back… i could see how right general musharraf was on everything.

are you saying the two mods are anti pti?

I said they're impartial, like me

I'll be onto pmln in thrust mode when pti dies down

i know @Chak Bamu is anti pti…. i don't know about jungibaaz
you are naturally always anti anything that is good for pakistan… this is a pattern from you since i noticed you on this forum.
anything that seems beneficial to pakistan.. you are always against it
@Aeronaut supports this azadi march but he is not a blind follower.

 

[WishLivePak]

because you write it as a link…..

every time i see your posts from now on and they are anti pakistan or against something that is good for pakistan… i will let you know.
this march if it succeeds will bring nothing but reform to pakistan… it will make us a stronger country.
by opposing you are once again opposing something good for our country..
i bet you also dislike our army and isi

Yeah telling people to pay taxes, bills, obey laws is harming the nation and makes me paid Indian, Mossad agent, CIA slave

 

[Viper0011.]

he gave freedom to the media… which included geo… musharraf is not able to predict the future. Once he found out this channel is full of crap.. he tried to harass them and scare them but it didn't work.

i know @Chak Bamu is anti pti…. i don't know about jungibaaz
you are naturally always anti anything that is good for pakistan… this is a pattern from you since i noticed you on this forum.
anything that seems beneficial to pakistan.. you are always against it
@Aeronaut supports this azadi march but he is not a blind follower.

Did he REALLY give freedom to the media? Its like I am saying that I was with Columbus when he discovered America just because I am super Patriotic. Musharraf was forced by many, including his friends in the military who were taking the heat for his actions and the procurement line was dropping anything Western.

However, on the case of media....your media needs to come up with its own Cod of Conduct. There are times when it feels like there is no code of conduct and the media has no idea what the heck they are reporting on. A lot of the journalists are also not as educated as they should be. But that would change as the country strengthens its democratic system hopefully.

Also, anti-PTI doesn't mean Anti-Pakistan if that's what you were trying to tell him. In fact, if you see how embarrassing this little episode the entire country's going through anti-PTI pretty much become Pro-Pakistan, As this idiot IK is embarrassing Pakistan in the entire world due to this drama.

As far as @Aeronaut is concerned, he's a true patriot and a very intelligent person who cares for Pakistan deeply. I can see it in his posts. But he's also very rational too. There are times when I've responded to his posts and pretty much contradicted him (yea I know he's the admin dude, one of these days if I get banned you know why jk), but he makes a lot of sense and he disagrees only when he has a valid point. That's actually very smart and professional of him.

 

[Verve]

I am sure we are all allowed to support who we want to. @Aeronaut has been very respectful to everything I have had to say. I've read his views too. I know he leans towards PTI, which is everyone's right to pick and choose. But I also think Aero, outside of his views, ALSO cares for Pakistan. Many of his posts show that and I think he also knows that I mean the best for Pakistan also.

The point here isn't a party against another party or who is better. That's never been my intention. The GOAL is how to do what's best for Pakistan. Is What IK doing out of his silly imagination the right thing to do for Pakistan???? Specially at THIS time when there are 1.6 million displaced people and economy trying to recover? With the amount of money lost, you could've build brand new homes for all these 1.6 million people and still save a few billions.
If NS was doing these stupid protests, I'd show JUST AS MUCH hate against him. Why? because of these negative politics, you are ruining 200 people's chance at a better life and making them suffer.

Last point is, RIGHT this second, who is the best person to take Pakistan forward. In this context, the next GOAL becomes taking Pakistan ahead in terms of what? My take is, the Economy is the root of all evil. If economy is doing better, jobs are out there, you'd have less focus on negative politics, you'd have people getting jobs, making money and their generations getting educated. ALL of this will bring in prosperity and sense and understanding to know the right from wrong FACTUALLY. I see posters here posting about economy and law.....and I can tell they have no clue about either. They are just blind sided people, so fixing the economy means, more education for everyone, more medical treatment, benefits, jobs and an overall better lifestyle for people.
For economy related work, the current government is Pakistan's best bet. They have very good standing in the world and they CAN take Pakistan forward. IK needed to support that goal and like a man, wait for his turn. If you and I have a difference and we live a flew miles away, differences don't mean our neighbors and everyone have to suffer because I'll start to protest against you. It ALSO doesn't mean you'd either try to kill me or try to take my house away. We should wait for the right time to engage both of us that doesn't hurt our neighbors, people on the street or either one of our homes.

Wait....how do I talk to you about something that you are not doing right, by putting a gun to your head and to your neighbors, your dad and your teacher? Conversation ended. Won't happen. Not the way people and humans do these things. Here, he's asking for "REFORMS FOR ALL? Right, he was asking for "Prime Minister Khan" a few days ago till he "imagined" the military was on his side. I've seen it on TV way too many times. Let's not twist the argument.

What are reforms? Betterment of an existing system or process improvement. So you are improving the process by what? derailing the ENTIRE system which the "process improvement" is a part of? I have a problem with the entrance door of your house, I think it is too out on the street covering part of the street....so instead of asking you to fix the door, I put a gun to your head and ask you to demolish the entire house and then REBUILD and in that process, fix the issue with the main gate??? This is what IK is doing.
Reforms overcast by bloodshed and destroyed economy won't do anything, they'd damage the system. These reforms exist in IK's minds. If these reforms NEED to be adopted at the people level, Assembly and Parliament was the right platform for it. Instead of going this power hungry and stealing drama, he could've protested at the doors of the parliaments with his elected members. TRUST me, that would've brought down a lot of higher ends.
Resorting to violence, Civil Unrest is crazy and he's mentally upset. Like I've said before, if you or anyone else can take him for a Psychiatric check up, I'll pay for it as long as you allow the report to be made available to the public. I'll also send him a ticket to UK or US wherever he wants to be treated. Every single sign that he's showing, is Bi Polar. This guy isn't in his right brains and you guys are the ones who he's using. Sad part is, in this mental condition, there is no destiny. So he's lost and so are his followers. People that have this issue, their lives tend to be a train wreck, Paranoia (someone's after me, elections were rigged, etc), lack of human relationships (broken marriage, not a whole lot of friends), Grandiosity, Mania (High and Lows like three days ago he was going to "attack" the prime minister house, the next day, he was negotiation with the same government that he initially thought he'd never talk to as their existence was illegal), today he'll get super high and edgy, tomorrow, he'll get depressed. His one statement wouldn't match the other as his brain isn't in the right thought process.
I'll give you an example of normal brain activity and abnormal brain activity.
Normal Brain: There are people at risk, we are in the government but even though we have the power, we don't want to kill any innocent. Let's negotiate to see what IK wants and may be we'll settle somewhere and this economic destruction and humans at risk can end
Abnormal Brain: I know I am right, everyone's rigged elections, Media, Judges, International Media, Police, Military and all are paid. But Military will help me. Wait, ISPR issued a statement? Who the heck is ISPR in my issue? I don't care how long we have to be out here, I want my demands met 100%, otherwise, I'll get people killed or attack the Prime Minister house and "Drag him out of his palace through his hair" and he has till 4 PM tomorrow. 4 PM comes and go.....crap, what do I do now? Let's negotiate with the government. Wait, "negotiate" (which means give and take) but I won't give anything. I just want to take.
If no one negotiates, I'll see how long these guys can have me out here with economy being damaged and people suffering.

If you see the above, you should use common sense and see how messed up the ego-istic process is. Its not US or the NATION, it ALL "ME ME ME". Self praise, grandiosity and mood swings accompanied by Mania, Grandiosity and Paranoia. This guy needs to be in a hospital seeing a shrink. Not out in public as he's become a public threat due to not being on medication!

Grandiosity and Delusions of Grandeur - Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder - Symptoms - Bipolar

Bipolar disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grandiosity
What is grandiosity?

Grandiosity occurs when a person has an inflated self-esteem, believe they have special powers, spiritual connections, or religious relationships.

When grandiosity is severe, the person may be delusional about his or her capabilities.20

What does it feel like to be grandiose?

A grandiose individual feels unrealistically powerful, important, and invincible. These beliefs are frequently accompanied by feelings of euphoria and intense pleasure with paranoid cycles. Nothing seems impossible and every problem has a solution.

The person may feel an urgent need to initiate projects or activities.

How can I recognize this symptom?

To others, the person's behavior seems pompous, boastful, and exaggerated. Observers may perceive the grandiose individual to be conceited and condescending.

The person's speedy pursuit of dreams, goals, and projects may seem impulsive.

Set goals and initiated plans may be unrealistic.29

How does grandiosity impact life?

Bipolar disorder symptoms affect all aspects of life. A grandiose person may appear to be rude and boastful. Naturally, this makes it difficult to make new friends and current relationships are strained.

When a person is grandiose at work, they may find it difficult to be productive. Grandiosity is frequently accompanied by decreased judgment.

For example, a person may believe they have special insight that their employer does not have. The person may feel obliged to share their break-through knowledge with their employer and disagree with management decisions. The felt passion and urgency lead to inappropriate arguments.

The fallout of grandiose behavior, especially when compounded with other symptoms of bipolar disorder, can be devastating. The high risk behavior, inflated self-esteem, and delusions may lead to job loss, expulsion from school, and terminated relationships.

Sometimes, the pursuit of unrealistic ideas involves financial investment. The person may suffer significant financial losses.8


So it is personal hatred? Btw, I disagree with you. These incidents would have hapened no matter what. You have TWO CRAZY maniacs filled with rage and bi polar grandiose behavior. After this, they'll hit the other end of the cycle...which is depressive. Currently they are both in Manic state. See their speeches and all. Here's some medical advise for you to remember. Try to link IK and Mullah's personality with the symptoms mentioned below. The public in Pakistan is always impressed with grandiosity, whoever drives a better car or wears a better watch or has a bigger house is given more respect. Everyone knows this. And Bi Polar in South East Asians is very common India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. All this was bound to happen due to the time of the year and their mental state. These patients get Manic starting March till the end of September. Then they go down in Depression. That's the cycle and it happens like this due to Sun's schedule and rotation (Day light builds certain chemicals that fight bi polar and depression in people naturally).

Grandiosity and Delusions of Grandeur - Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder - Symptoms - Bipolar

Bipolar disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go read up on Iceland's constitutional reform! It was triggered by 1 common man! I'm sure you'll call that all wrong too!

 

[Chak Bamu]

@qamar1990 & @WishLivePak - It would help if you were both respectful. You have both used language that raises the ante to a point where this thread just got hijacked by your personal conversation. Calling some one saagkhor, anti-Pakistan, etc.. does not help at all. I shall be deleting some of your posts.

qamar1990, I stopped supporting PTI when they resolved to follow politics of instability and disruption. They could have kept up the pressure from within the system and simultaneously made steady improvement in KPK. @Jungibaaz decided to dump PTI at their call of Civil Disobedience. You need not make guesses about us. You may call us directly and ask.

None of us is pro-anyone. We are pro-Pakistan. That is the important thing here.

 

[WishLivePak]

@qamar1990 & @WishLivePak - It would help if you were both respectful. You have both used language that raises the ante to a point where this thread just got hijacked by your personal conversation. Calling some one saagkhor, anti-Pakistan, etc.. does not help at all. I shall be deleting some of your posts.

qamar1990, I stopped supporting PTI when they resolved to follow politics of instability and disruption. They could have kept up the pressure from within the system and simultaneously made steady improvement in KPK. @Jungibaaz decided to dump PTI at their call of Civil Disobedience. You need not make guesses about us. You may call us directly and ask.

None of us is pro-anyone. We are pro-Pakistan. That is the important thing here.

My apologizes. His signature says he's saag khor.

Do you think many people attend these jalsa because they've free time? They showed this person on dunya or express tv and he said he's there for fun. Of course some have come from kuwait dubai etc, but come on, doing qawalis, food drink, free amenities. There are many homeless people in Pakistan and many fareegh people too. My mother says she'd have gone too (at same time, she also says both guys be put in jail)

I'm not in Islamabad to be aware of what people are really there for. Is it because it's fun? Or is it really for 'inqalab?'