Open letter to IK by a PTI supporter....

[patriotpakistan]

Open letter to Imran Khan, from a PTI voter - Blogs - DAWN.COM

Weary of the hypocrisy, corruption and incompetence of generations of politicians, we were praying for change and riddance from this unending cycle of betrayal and failure.

No one expected this from the traditional lot of dynastic politicians, which is almost entirely composed of feudal and tribal lords, mullahs, mill owners, hereditary peers and the nouveaux riches. The only policies these politicians followed, revolved around the interests of their own families, and biradaris of their respective parties.

Millions of people deemed Imran Khan to be a different leader — one who acquired his role the hard way.

For the downtrodden, it seemed Imran had that fire and dedication needed to materialise the dream of meaningful change. They trusted their celebrated captain and voted for him, hoping to see a wise and dauntless leader — a true representative of their hopes.

I was one of those people.

Also read: An open letter to PM Nawaz

On May 11, 2013, I voted for Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf because among many other reasons, a movement for justice seemed so much more than the hollow, lofty chants of Roti! Kapra! Makan! and 'Asian Tiger'; or an election manifesto built around curbing obscenity and nudity.

I had thought then, that Imran may lack political acumen and cunning; and he may just be a novice; but his integrity at least, is beyond question.

I believed that Imran, having had significant international exposure, would be able to put Pakistan on the path of progress and modernity; his international standing bridging the gap between Pakistan and the rest of the world.

I hoped he would improve the education available to common Pakistanis (as opposed to children of the elite), getting rid of the elements which make them intolerant and conservative. I expected him to put his sportsman's spirit to good use in Pakistan's volatile and strife-stricken politics.

A worthy sportsman could become a worthy statesman, I thought.

Read on: What's wrong with our Kaptaans?

Like myself, thousands of PTI supporters were sure that the Imran Khan-led movement for justice will set a commendable example in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa; an example of good governance, planning, sensible decision-making and innovation.

But the events of last week are compelling some of us more sensitive PTI supporters to think that perhaps all expectations were premature, simplistic or just tragically wrong.

Pakistan's democratic system finds Imran Khan suddenly marching toward it on a collision course. In Khan, they now see a man making unreasonable demands while pursuing the just and reasonable cause of electoral transparency.

They question the indiscriminate blame-game initiated by our leader. People want to know why he has started to make a new demand every new day.

I personally feel that this attitude of his has raised serious questions about his motives and designs.

I'm asked, what is the difference between Imran Khan and any other power hungry politician?

In such an atmosphere of crises, and against the dwindling party position of PTI, I keep asking myself these puzzling questions:

1. If rigging was so widespread, why was the outcome of the elections accepted in the first place?
   
   
2. Why does PTI keep demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif - is he the sole culprit behind rigging?
   
   
3. Why doesn't PTI have a better partner in this regime-toppling game other than a 'revolutionary' goon?
   
   
4. Why does Imran think he can accuse anyone, any time, anywhere of rigging, without enough evidence?
   
   
5. Why is it so that PTI is accused of U-turns and new demands everyday?
   
   
6. And most of all, I want to know, why does Imran Khan's PTI have the clearly indefensible and hypocritical stance regarding resignations from assemblies? You are resigning from all assemblies but not from the KP assembly because you are in power there? How was the electoral process in KP different from the rest of the country?

Take a look: PTI’s empty threats

I can only hope that the captain will review his confrontational policies, which are accelerating the country towards chaos and uncertainty.

I consider myself an insafian, which means I stand for progress, transparency and justice; not for politics of crisis and confrontation.

The supporters of Imran Khan have the right to ask him not to fail democracy, and Pakistan.

@WishLivePak @orangzaib @cb4 @Aeronaut

Nawaz propaganda. These "Anonymous" PTI supporters are almost always Noora boot polishers.

 

[Albatross]

I am sure we are all allowed to support who we want to. @Aeronaut has been very respectful to everything I have had to say. I've read his views too. I know he leans towards PTI, which is everyone's right to pick and choose. But I also think Aero, outside of his views, ALSO cares for Pakistan. Many of his posts show that and I think he also knows that I mean the best for Pakistan also.

The point here isn't a party against another party or who is better. That's never been my intention. The GOAL is how to do what's best for Pakistan. Is What IK doing out of his silly imagination the right thing to do for Pakistan???? Specially at THIS time when there are 1.6 million displaced people and economy trying to recover? With the amount of money lost, you could've build brand new homes for all these 1.6 million people and still save a few billions.
If NS was doing these stupid protests, I'd show JUST AS MUCH hate against him. Why? because of these negative politics, you are ruining 200 people's chance at a better life and making them suffer.

Last point is, RIGHT this second, who is the best person to take Pakistan forward. In this context, the next GOAL becomes taking Pakistan ahead in terms of what? My take is, the Economy is the root of all evil. If economy is doing better, jobs are out there, you'd have less focus on negative politics, you'd have people getting jobs, making money and their generations getting educated. ALL of this will bring in prosperity and sense and understanding to know the right from wrong FACTUALLY. I see posters here posting about economy and law.....and I can tell they have no clue about either. They are just blind sided people, so fixing the economy means, more education for everyone, more medical treatment, benefits, jobs and an overall better lifestyle for people.
For economy related work, the current government is Pakistan's best bet. They have very good standing in the world and they CAN take Pakistan forward. IK needed to support that goal and like a man, wait for his turn. If you and I have a difference and we live a flew miles away, differences don't mean our neighbors and everyone have to suffer because I'll start to protest against you. It ALSO doesn't mean you'd either try to kill me or try to take my house away. We should wait for the right time to engage both of us that doesn't hurt our neighbors, people on the street or either one of our homes.

 

[Viper0011.]

Nawaz propaganda. These "Anonymous" PTI supporters are almost always Noora boot polishers.

I would hope that you'd come up with some logical, factual statements so we can see your leader's CASE that he hasn't made to anyone yet. But I guess like Leader like Followers. You guys only have ONE case....HATE NS. It seems like. Problem is, hate doesn't change Prime Minister's alone. There has to be reasons and legal actions and proofs. None of which you can provide so I don't know what to tell you man. Come back with a case so we can discuss?

 

[Viper0011.]

I don't know what the wording says but I can try to make sense out of numbers. So I am assuming you are telling me about NS's corruption?
If you re-read my post that you responded to, you'll see I am not Pro-NS. I am Pro-Pakistan with Democracy and Better economy. I don't know how to respond to your post honestly. Translate in English and I'll try but remember, I am not pro-NS or anyone.

 

[rockstar08]

why all letters are always " OPEN " ?

 

[patriotpakistan]

I would hope that you'd come up with some logical, factual statements so we can see your leader's CASE that he hasn't made to anyone yet. But I guess like Leader like Followers. You guys only have ONE case....HATE NS. It seems like. Problem is, hate doesn't change Prime Minister's alone. There has to be reasons and legal actions and proofs. None of which you can provide so I don't know what to tell you man. Come back with a case so we can discuss?

You want facts? Goto KPK. See with your own eyes. Best police I have ever seen. The man with integrity has brought integrity to KPK. I would rather Pervez Khattak became president of Pakistan, but the man who chose him to run KPK has just as much integrity. Imran Khan is the man who will clean up this mess. Be glad that you get see history in the making.

 

[Viper0011.]

But he is serving as a balancing act. He has brought the issues of rigging and injustice to international level as well and gathered the biggest protest rally we've seen in last 40+ years. Amount of women and children in these protests is unprecedented. To move such a highly corrupt system to correction, tough steps are required.

How do you show your future generations the pulling a gone to get your ways is a balancing act? How's it that rigging is only where IK lost. Otherwise, its all good from where he won? How's it that he says the system and democracy doesn't exist but doesn't give up KPK government which was GIVEN to him by NS ....so if NS's gov't illegal, so is KPK as they allowed IK to have it?? How's it a balancing act that you are showing others that you'll hold your seats from where you won but will criticize the rest of the system and will derail it?
The same system he said didn't exist due to being illegally setup...he's NOW negotiating with??? He gave so many deadlines and did NOTHING when time passed? His destroyed many billions since this started and he's threatened the stability of the country and that's a balancing act?
How come he didn't take his members and did a peaceful sit-in by himself with a few of his members and got the media coverage WITHOUT damaging the country, making the economy lose billions, threatening the system and putting thousands of lives at risk?
Common man, wake up. Balancing act by definition are positive acts. This right here is violence. And be ready, if you don't change, next time, you'll face off with other's 100K people and then the Civil War would start and the country would divide.

 

[Verve]

How do you show your future generations the pulling a gone to get your ways is a balancing act? How's it that rigging is only where IK lost. Otherwise, its all good from where he won? How's it that he says the system and democracy doesn't exist but doesn't give up KPK government which was GIVEN to him by NS ....so if NS's gov't illegal, so is KPK as they allowed IK to have it?? How's it a balancing act that you are showing others that you'll hold your seats from where you won but will criticize the rest of the system and will derail it?
The same system he said didn't exist due to being illegally setup...he's NOW negotiating with??? He gave so many deadlines and did NOTHING when time passed? His destroyed many billions since this started and he's threatened the stability of the country and that's a balancing act?
How come he didn't take his members and did a peaceful sit-in by himself with a few of his members and got the media coverage WITHOUT damaging the country, making the economy lose billions, threatening the system and putting thousands of lives at risk?
Common man, wake up. Balancing act by definition are positive acts. This right here is violence. And be ready, if you don't change, next time, you'll face off with other's 100K people and then the Civil War would start and the country would divide.

Why are people so blinded!? All your questions have been answered a million times over on media, but anti-IK sentiments make it difficult to comprehend, understandably.

Imran is asking for electoral reform FOR ALL! He could potentially lose next elections badly! Why can't you see that? He's at risk too. He's asking for a truly neutral referee to hold those elections. On one side, people like you believe in conspiracy theories of IK being supported by army, and then you don't look at the possibility that army could have rigged the 2013 elections to make Imran the PM - quite easily if they wanted to.

As for next time, it won't and shouldn't be Imran or Nawaz. I am not in favour of either ruling Pakistan. Pakistan needs good 3-4 years of honest and genuine Pakistan loving highly skilled technocrats to clean up the system (like in Iran, all ministers are technocrats, same in USA as well) - and I don't mean the type of personalities Musharaf brought, he had the right idea but wrong people. We are simply not ready for this type of democracy where these incompetent and corrupt dynastic politicians keep ruling and looting us. Until corruption is not controlled to an acceptable level, and law and order imposed (as it is in many developed nations, we have resources to do that), democracy in Pakistan will always fail to produce. For democracy to work as it should, it needs the right environment and this environment simply does not exist at present.

Current events are leading up to technocratic government as Army is not in favour of a full blown martial law. Inqlab and Azadi rallies are a balancing act that will lead to a technocratic government to clean up the system for genuine democracy to thrive in. I hope and pray that this is the case, as self-correction in current so-called democracy will never happen.

 

[That Guy]

All the answers have been answered already again and again and again and again. But hypocrites just don't want to listen!

Really? I was not aware of that, please show me the answers.

 

[Hiptullha]

I am sure we are all allowed to support who we want to. @Aeronaut has been very respectful to everything I have had to say. I've read his views too. I know he leans towards PTI, which is everyone's right to pick and choose. But I also think Aero, outside of his views, ALSO cares for Pakistan. Many of his posts show that and I think he also knows that I mean the best for Pakistan also.

The point here isn't a party against another party or who is better. That's never been my intention. The GOAL is how to do what's best for Pakistan. Is What IK doing out of his silly imagination the right thing to do for Pakistan???? Specially at THIS time when there are 1.6 million displaced people and economy trying to recover? With the amount of money lost, you could've build brand new homes for all these 1.6 million people and still save a few billions.
If NS was doing these stupid protests, I'd show JUST AS MUCH hate against him. Why? because of these negative politics, you are ruining 200 people's chance at a better life and making them suffer.

Last point is, RIGHT this second, who is the best person to take Pakistan forward. In this context, the next GOAL becomes taking Pakistan ahead in terms of what? My take is, the Economy is the root of all evil. If economy is doing better, jobs are out there, you'd have less focus on negative politics, you'd have people getting jobs, making money and their generations getting educated. ALL of this will bring in prosperity and sense and understanding to know the right from wrong FACTUALLY. I see posters here posting about economy and law.....and I can tell they have no clue about either. They are just blind sided people, so fixing the economy means, more education for everyone, more medical treatment, benefits, jobs and an overall better lifestyle for people.
For economy related work, the current government is Pakistan's best bet. They have very good standing in the world and they CAN take Pakistan forward. IK needed to support that goal and like a man, wait for his turn. If you and I have a difference and we live a flew miles away, differences don't mean our neighbors and everyone have to suffer because I'll start to protest against you. It ALSO doesn't mean you'd either try to kill me or try to take my house away. We should wait for the right time to engage both of us that doesn't hurt our neighbors, people on the street or either one of our homes.

Thing is, this incident wouldn't have ever happened if it wasn't for Nawaz Sharif. The model town killings, trying to stop Qadri's plane, using containers to close entry to major cities, were all done by Sharif and his cronies which allowed Imran Khan and Tahir Ul Qadri to gain sympathy from the many people. You tell me that Sharif is the best bet for Pakistan.
How can he be the best bet when he reacted in such a way to two silly politicians? Do you know how much damage his government caused in Lahore after placing those containers?
He is probably a very good businessman. I'm not much of an economist, so I can't really say anything about that. But he is a bad leader. He has antagonized the people of this country to such an extent that two of the biggest clowns of Pakistani politics are now holding his government at gunpoint.

 

[Viper0011.]

Why are people so blinded!? All your questions have been answered a million times over on media, but anti-IK sentiments make it difficult to comprehend, understandably.

Imran is asking for electoral reform FOR ALL! He could potentially lose next elections badly! Why can't you see that? He's at risk too. He's asking for a truly neutral referee to hold those elections. On one side, people like you believe in conspiracy theories of IK being supported by army, and then you don't look at the possibility that army could have rigged the 2013 elections to make Imran the PM - quite easily if they wanted to.

We are simply not ready for this type of democracy where these incompetent and corrupt dynastic politicians keep ruling and looting us. Until corruption is not controlled to an acceptable level, and law and order imposed (as it is in many developed nations, we have resources to do that), democracy in Pakistan will always fail to produce. For democracy to work as it should, it needs the right environment and this environment simply does not exist at present.

Wait....how do I talk to you about something that you are not doing right, by putting a gun to your head and to your neighbors, your dad and your teacher? Conversation ended. Won't happen. Not the way people and humans do these things. Here, he's asking for "REFORMS FOR ALL? Right, he was asking for "Prime Minister Khan" a few days ago till he "imagined" the military was on his side. I've seen it on TV way too many times. Let's not twist the argument.

What are reforms? Betterment of an existing system or process improvement. So you are improving the process by what? derailing the ENTIRE system which the "process improvement" is a part of? I have a problem with the entrance door of your house, I think it is too out on the street covering part of the street....so instead of asking you to fix the door, I put a gun to your head and ask you to demolish the entire house and then REBUILD and in that process, fix the issue with the main gate??? This is what IK is doing.
Reforms overcast by bloodshed and destroyed economy won't do anything, they'd damage the system. These reforms exist in IK's minds. If these reforms NEED to be adopted at the people level, Assembly and Parliament was the right platform for it. Instead of going this power hungry and stealing drama, he could've protested at the doors of the parliaments with his elected members. TRUST me, that would've brought down a lot of higher ends.
Resorting to violence, Civil Unrest is crazy and he's mentally upset. Like I've said before, if you or anyone else can take him for a Psychiatric check up, I'll pay for it as long as you allow the report to be made available to the public. I'll also send him a ticket to UK or US wherever he wants to be treated. Every single sign that he's showing, is Bi Polar. This guy isn't in his right brains and you guys are the ones who he's using. Sad part is, in this mental condition, there is no destiny. So he's lost and so are his followers. People that have this issue, their lives tend to be a train wreck, Paranoia (someone's after me, elections were rigged, etc), lack of human relationships (broken marriage, not a whole lot of friends), Grandiosity, Mania (High and Lows like three days ago he was going to "attack" the prime minister house, the next day, he was negotiation with the same government that he initially thought he'd never talk to as their existence was illegal), today he'll get super high and edgy, tomorrow, he'll get depressed. His one statement wouldn't match the other as his brain isn't in the right thought process.
I'll give you an example of normal brain activity and abnormal brain activity.
Normal Brain: There are people at risk, we are in the government but even though we have the power, we don't want to kill any innocent. Let's negotiate to see what IK wants and may be we'll settle somewhere and this economic destruction and humans at risk can end
Abnormal Brain: I know I am right, everyone's rigged elections, Media, Judges, International Media, Police, Military and all are paid. But Military will help me. Wait, ISPR issued a statement? Who the heck is ISPR in my issue? I don't care how long we have to be out here, I want my demands met 100%, otherwise, I'll get people killed or attack the Prime Minister house and "Drag him out of his palace through his hair" and he has till 4 PM tomorrow. 4 PM comes and go.....crap, what do I do now? Let's negotiate with the government. Wait, "negotiate" (which means give and take) but I won't give anything. I just want to take.
If no one negotiates, I'll see how long these guys can have me out here with economy being damaged and people suffering.

If you see the above, you should use common sense and see how messed up the ego-istic process is. Its not US or the NATION, it ALL "ME ME ME". Self praise, grandiosity and mood swings accompanied by Mania, Grandiosity and Paranoia. This guy needs to be in a hospital seeing a shrink. Not out in public as he's become a public threat due to not being on medication!

Grandiosity and Delusions of Grandeur - Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder - Symptoms - Bipolar

Bipolar disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grandiosity
What is grandiosity?


Grandiosity occurs when a person has an inflated self-esteem, believe they have special powers, spiritual connections, or religious relationships.

When grandiosity is severe, the person may be delusional about his or her capabilities.20

What does it feel like to be grandiose?

A grandiose individual feels unrealistically powerful, important, and invincible. These beliefs are frequently accompanied by feelings of euphoria and intense pleasure with paranoid cycles. Nothing seems impossible and every problem has a solution.


The person may feel an urgent need to initiate projects or activities.

How can I recognize this symptom?


To others, the person's behavior seems pompous, boastful, and exaggerated. Observers may perceive the grandiose individual to be conceited and condescending.


The person's speedy pursuit of dreams, goals, and projects may seem impulsive.


Set goals and initiated plans may be unrealistic.29

How does grandiosity impact life?

Bipolar disorder symptoms affect all aspects of life. A grandiose person may appear to be rude and boastful. Naturally, this makes it difficult to make new friends and current relationships are strained.

When a person is grandiose at work, they may find it difficult to be productive. Grandiosity is frequently accompanied by decreased judgment.

For example, a person may believe they have special insight that their employer does not have. The person may feel obliged to share their break-through knowledge with their employer and disagree with management decisions. The felt passion and urgency lead to inappropriate arguments.

The fallout of grandiose behavior, especially when compounded with other symptoms of bipolar disorder, can be devastating. The high risk behavior, inflated self-esteem, and delusions may lead to job loss, expulsion from school, and terminated relationships.


Sometimes, the pursuit of unrealistic ideas involves financial investment. The person may suffer significant financial losses.8

Thing is, this incident wouldn't have ever happened if it wasn't for Nawaz Sharif. .

So it is personal hatred? Btw, I disagree with you. These incidents would have hapened no matter what. You have TWO CRAZY maniacs filled with rage and bi polar grandiose behavior. After this, they'll hit the other end of the cycle...which is depressive. Currently they are both in Manic state. See their speeches and all. Here's some medical advise for you to remember. Try to link IK and Mullah's personality with the symptoms mentioned below. The public in Pakistan is always impressed with grandiosity, whoever drives a better car or wears a better watch or has a bigger house is given more respect. Everyone knows this. And Bi Polar in South East Asians is very common India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. All this was bound to happen due to the time of the year and their mental state. These patients get Manic starting March till the end of September. Then they go down in Depression. That's the cycle and it happens like this due to Sun's schedule and rotation (Day light builds certain chemicals that fight bi polar and depression in people naturally).

Grandiosity and Delusions of Grandeur - Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder - Symptoms - Bipolar

Bipolar disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hiptullha]

These incidents would have hapened no matter what.

Really? I think everyone forgot about Tahir Ul Qadri. It was only when the Model Town killings took place the talk of revolution arose once again.

 

[Viper0011.]

Really? I think everyone forgot about Tahir Ul Qadri. It was only when the Model Town killings took place the talk of revolution arose once again.

No matter what would've happened or not. Refer to my link, then people turn Manic and they have Bi Polar...they'll get people killed. Life will be what they want it to be that day under that cycle. As people and followers, you have to be smart to see so many U turns and understand there may be a Psychological issue there!

 

[TankMan]

The problem with Imran Khan is that he is not very good at politics. He may be a great leader and good person but he is a bad politician. He couldn't get PMLN to investigate the rigging and make reforms by politically coercing them so he had to use street power. His motive is good but the methods are not as good. But then, what other options did he have?

Aside from protesting, PTI could either stay quiet and let the same bullshit continue or they could stay quiet and join the corrupt politicians, neither of which Imran Khan was willing to do.

Answers to the questions:

1)

If rigging was so widespread, why was the outcome of the elections accepted in the first place?

PTI thought they could solve the rigging problem through courts and other mechanisms, even though many PTI supporters protested immediately after the elections.

2)

Why does PTI keep demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif - is he the sole culprit behind rigging?

He is certainly the one who gained the most from it, and he is the one who didn't allow a proper investigation when PTI demanded one.

3)

Why doesn't PTI have a better partner in this regime-toppling game other than a 'revolutionary' goon?

All the other parties are either bought by PMLN, were involved in the rigging themselves or lack the support/will to take part in such protests.

4)

Why does Imran think he can accuse anyone, any time, anywhere of rigging, without enough evidence?

That's a good question. He seems to be very confident about his claims and probably has some sort of evidence to back the claims. However, evidence can only be found and presented if there was a proper investigation, which PMLN didn't allow to take place.

5)

Why is it so that PTI is accused of U-turns and new demands everyday?

Because its opposition can't find enough things to accuse it of, so they make stuff up. PTI hasn't changed its demands, which were always an investigation and reforms in the electoral system.

6)

And most of all, I want to know, why does Imran Khan's PTI have the clearly indefensible and hypocritical stance regarding resignations from assemblies? You are resigning from all assemblies but not from the KP assembly because you are in power there? How was the electoral process in KP different from the rest of the country?

His people are probably reluctant to follow his "all in" strategy. Imran Khan thinks the electoral process there was different in KPK because he is confident that if anyone investigated constituencies there, the faults there would be minor. He is also confident that if there is a re-election, his party would still win.

Wait....how do I talk to you about something that you are not doing right, by putting a gun to your head and to your neighbors, your dad and your teacher? Conversation ended. Won't happen. Not the way people and humans do these things. Here, he's asking for "REFORMS FOR ALL? Right, he was asking for "Prime Minister Khan" a few days ago till he "imagined" the military was on his side. I've seen it on TV way too many times. Let's not twist the argument.

What are reforms? Betterment of an existing system or process improvement. So you are improving the process by what? derailing the ENTIRE system which the "process improvement" is a part of? I have a problem with the entrance door of your house, I think it is too out on the street covering part of the street....so instead of asking you to fix the door, I put a gun to your head and ask you to demolish the entire house and then REBUILD and in that process, fix the issue with the main gate??? This is what IK is doing.
Reforms overcast by bloodshed and destroyed economy won't do anything, they'd damage the system. These reforms exist in IK's minds. If these reforms NEED to be adopted at the people level, Assembly and Parliament was the right platform for it. Instead of going this power hungry and stealing drama, he could've protested at the doors of the parliaments with his elected members. TRUST me, that would've brought down a lot of higher ends.
Resorting to violence, Civil Unrest is crazy and he's mentally upset. Like I've said before, if you or anyone else can take him for a Psychiatric check up, I'll pay for it as long as you allow the report to be made available to the public. I'll also send him a ticket to UK or US wherever he wants to be treated. Every single sign that he's showing, is Bi Polar. This guy isn't in his right brains and you guys are the ones who he's using. Sad part is, in this mental condition, there is no destiny. So he's lost and so are his followers. People that have this issue, their lives tend to be a train wreck, Paranoia (someone's after me, elections were rigged, etc), lack of human relationships (broken marriage, not a whole lot of friends), Grandiosity, Mania (High and Lows like three days ago he was going to "attack" the prime minister house, the next day, he was negotiation with the same government that he initially thought he'd never talk to as their existence was illegal), today he'll get super high and edgy, tomorrow, he'll get depressed. His one statement wouldn't match the other as his brain isn't in the right thought process.
I'll give you an example of normal brain activity and abnormal brain activity.
Normal Brain: There are people at risk, we are in the government but even though we have the power, we don't want to kill any innocent. Let's negotiate to see what IK wants and may be we'll settle somewhere and this economic destruction and humans at risk can end
Abnormal Brain: I know I am right, everyone's rigged elections, Media, Judges, International Media, Police, Military and all are paid. But Military will help me. Wait, ISPR issued a statement? Who the heck is ISPR in my issue? I don't care how long we have to be out here, I want my demands met 100%, otherwise, I'll get people killed or attack the Prime Minister house and "Drag him out of his palace through his hair" and he has till 4 PM tomorrow. 4 PM comes and go.....crap, what do I do now? Let's negotiate with the government. Wait, "negotiate" (which means give and take) but I won't give anything. I just want to take.
If no one negotiates, I'll see how long these guys can have me out here with economy being damaged and people suffering.

If you see the above, you should use common sense and see how messed up the ego-istic process is. Its not US or the NATION, it ALL "ME ME ME". Self praise, grandiosity and mood swings accompanied by Mania, Grandiosity and Paranoia. This guy needs to be in a hospital seeing a shrink. Not out in public as he's become a public threat due to not being on medication!

Grandiosity and Delusions of Grandeur - Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder - Symptoms - Bipolar

Bipolar disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grandiosity
What is grandiosity?

Grandiosity occurs when a person has an inflated self-esteem, believe they have special powers, spiritual connections, or religious relationships.

When grandiosity is severe, the person may be delusional about his or her capabilities.20

What does it feel like to be grandiose?

A grandiose individual feels unrealistically powerful, important, and invincible. These beliefs are frequently accompanied by feelings of euphoria and intense pleasure with paranoid cycles. Nothing seems impossible and every problem has a solution.

The person may feel an urgent need to initiate projects or activities.

How can I recognize this symptom?

To others, the person's behavior seems pompous, boastful, and exaggerated. Observers may perceive the grandiose individual to be conceited and condescending.

The person's speedy pursuit of dreams, goals, and projects may seem impulsive.

Set goals and initiated plans may be unrealistic.29

How does grandiosity impact life?

Bipolar disorder symptoms affect all aspects of life. A grandiose person may appear to be rude and boastful. Naturally, this makes it difficult to make new friends and current relationships are strained.

When a person is grandiose at work, they may find it difficult to be productive. Grandiosity is frequently accompanied by decreased judgment.

For example, a person may believe they have special insight that their employer does not have. The person may feel obliged to share their break-through knowledge with their employer and disagree with management decisions. The felt passion and urgency lead to inappropriate arguments.

The fallout of grandiose behavior, especially when compounded with other symptoms of bipolar disorder, can be devastating. The high risk behavior, inflated self-esteem, and delusions may lead to job loss, expulsion from school, and terminated relationships.

Sometimes, the pursuit of unrealistic ideas involves financial investment. The person may suffer significant financial losses.8


So it is personal hatred? Btw, I disagree with you. These incidents would have hapened no matter what. You have TWO CRAZY maniacs filled with rage and bi polar grandiose behavior. After this, they'll hit the other end of the cycle...which is depressive. Currently they are both in Manic state. See their speeches and all. Here's some medical advise for you to remember. Try to link IK and Mullah's personality with the symptoms mentioned below. The public in Pakistan is always impressed with grandiosity, whoever drives a better car or wears a better watch or has a bigger house is given more respect. Everyone knows this. And Bi Polar in South East Asians is very common India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. All this was bound to happen due to the time of the year and their mental state. These patients get Manic starting March till the end of September. Then they go down in Depression. That's the cycle and it happens like this due to Sun's schedule and rotation (Day light builds certain chemicals that fight bi polar and depression in people naturally).

Grandiosity and Delusions of Grandeur - Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder - Symptoms - Bipolar

Bipolar disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Imran Khan never said he wanted to be prime minister. Never. Here is a video of his demands, along with an article listing them. I don't see any "Prime Minister Khan" in them.

Imran Khan unveils his party’s six demands - thenews.com.pk

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman, Imran Khan announced six demands during his address to the participants of the ‘Azadi March’ Wednesday night.
His six demands from the government are:

1) Nawaz Sharif quit as Prime Minister.
2) Re-elections be held.
3) Electoral reforms be made.
4) An impartial interim government be formed through consensus among political parties.
5) All the members of Election Commission of Pakistan tender resignations.
6) Article 6 the constitution be invoked against those involved in the ‘rigging’ of May 2013 elections and awarded punishments.

Earlier today, Imran Khan said dialogue can be held but linked its initiation with the resignation of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.
“Nawaz Sharif’s stepping down remains top on our agenda,” he added.
He said Supreme Court is the only institution to dispense justice and if the apex court makes a decision it will be acceptable to his party.

If you had spent a fraction of the time and energy you spent typing all this crap reading a few paragraphs of PTI's Manifesto or even a few news articles, your opinion would change.

You keep repeating the same stuff over and over again, "Violence". No PTI workers have been involved in violence till now. The only violence we saw was from PMLN.

All the economic loss was caused because of the PMLN government blocking cities with containers, not because of the Azadi and Inqilab marches.

PMLN left PTI no other option. They tried to negotiate with them, they tried to use legal methods, they tried to go to the courts and every other mechanism in place.
See it this way: I have a problem with the entrance to your house because it covers the full street. I ask you to do something about daily it for 14 months but you don't even lift a finger. Finally, being left with no other option, I threaten to block that entrance and demand that you rebuild it so that it doesn't block the whole street. In response, you dig a ditch around your entrance, making the whole street, along with your entrance, useless.

Again, the only "bloodshed" and "destroyed economy" was caused by the government's actions.

Oh, "trust" you? What makes you think PTI did not try to do this in the Parliament and Assemblies? That's exactly what they were doing for 14 months! If PTI was so power hungry, they would have started long marches as soon as the elections ended.

The elections being rigged are not anyone's "Paranoia". Anyone who was in Pakistan during the elections can tell you what kind of elections we had. When 80,000 votes in a constituency cannot be verified, that means something is wrong. There is no way anyone in his right mind can say that the elections were "free and fair".

Imran Khan is indeed very reckless and has probably become mentally disturbed because he knows he can't save Pakistan.

Here's an article from the tribune:
Were Pakistan’s 2013 elections really rigged? – The Express Tribune Blog

Were Pakistan’s 2013 elections really rigged?

13 months on, and the issue of electoral rigging is still alive and well. Many of us wish this were not so; thatImran Khanwould just give it a rest and get on with his parliamentary duties rather than taking his band of merry men town to town, stirring up the same issue like a broken record.

Quite a few also suspect that the purpose of his actions may not simply be the pursuit of justice or even electoral reform. For them, it seems quite logical to assume darker motives. Such speculation is eminently justified given the events currently unfolding in the country.

However, on his side, Imran has one very basic point that makes him infuriatingly difficult to refute: the element of doubt.

By repeatedly hammering away at the infamous ‘four constituencies’, Imran is pushing at a door that can very easily lead to a complete invalidation of last year’s election results. Ironically enough, it is many of the staunchest proponents of democracy in the country who seem to have found themselves vocally opposing his demands for result verification and transparency. In fact, almost everyone other than those actively opposing the sitting government seems to be hesitant to revisit the election results.

So, why is everyone so irritated by Imran’s continued insistence?

The reason seems simple: everyone suspects things were not completely above board during the election.

It appears that there is a general understanding that there was a less-than-complete compliance with the rules and procedures involved in ensuring a free and fair election. The problem has, thus, moved from whether there was some element of rigging to whether it had a significant impact on the overall outcome of the election. This is where Imran’s critics know how much of a nuisance he can be if he starts highlighting any and all non-compliance to cast doubts on the validity of the election results. The inevitability of finding unverifiable votes, non-existent CNIC numbers, multiple votes from the same individual, and the likes, mean there is a grey area that provides ample space for speculation.

The whole procedure of the interpretation of election results, thus, no longer remains an absolute phenomenon, and instead becomes an interesting problem in uncertainty and inference. Given that we know the system to be less than perfect at recording votes, at what point do we consider these results to be useless for interpreting the will of the voters? Should one or two dubious votes be enough to deem an election result invalid? Should a thousand? Should 10,000? These are the uncomfortable questions most people seem intent on avoiding.

If we consider the actual votes to be a signal of voter intent and actions that violate the stated procedure to be noise, we need to consider two questions.

Firstly, is there a possibility of bias in the noise? That is, would violations systematically favour one party over the other? As it stands, Imran is vehemently insisting that this is exactly what has happened. He accuses the electoral machinery of favouring the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) over others.

Secondly, is the level of noise small enough to be ignored? This means, even if no one party was being favoured over the other, it is possible that the results are so manipulated from sides that actual votes become irrelevant to the result.

So far, we are dealing in very simple probabilistic terms. If we were to start considering the election process to be a complex dynamic system (which it is) we might see even more serious repercussions stemming from the slightest aberration.

As it stands, the only responses to Imran’s incessant noise-making seem to be insisting that the noise was not systemic (pointing to dubious Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) victories) and completely ignoring the issue of signal-to-noise ratio.

The PML-N initially responded to PTI’s demand for verification by claiming that it was impossible to do due to issues with the ink used during the elections. They currently seem to have agreed to acquiescing to this demand, as well as throwing four more constituencies into the mix. In doing so, they will be putting themselves into a precarious position.

On the one hand, they might be successful in showing that any statistical aberration in the election results is not systematic. However, on the other hand, they may also end up proving the statistical insignificance of the election results. If eight, rather than just four constituencies, had their results determined by chance (or manipulation) rather than by the actual will of the voters, this just confirms that there is a large amount of noise in the electoral system itself. This serves to further strengthen the point that the outcome of the elections had little correlation with the actions of the voters.

It is also important to note that the concept of things ‘evening out’ is not much consolation to the voters who are unable to have a say in electing their local representative. If rigging means that a constituency that would have gone to PTI went to the PMLN, and the reverse happened in another, the result card for the assemblies may be the same, however, the result is that there are now two constituencies where people are represented by someone they did not elect.

From the perspective of the voting public, the introduction of noise into the voting system results primarily in reducing their say in the actual process of electing their representatives. If factors other than the actual votes cast start to overshadow the actual process, the result will be a loss in voter confidence and a further reduction in voter turnout.

This, in itself, poses an interesting issue, as reduced voter turnout further introduces bias into the system, as it leaves a particular type of voting public in play, and removes others. Needless to say, it is newcomers such as PTI (who are more dependent on newer voters) that fear this outcome than traditional ones.

As it stands, the situation is extremely fragile for all involved.

Imran’s intentions in repeatedly calling for result verification can be called into question, but his demands are logically sound. The fact that such large proportions of votes are unverifiable due to the incompetence of the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) means that it may be impossible to fully ascertain how reliably the results reflect the will of the people.

The actual impact may have had no impact whatsoever, or they could have made all the difference – there is no way to tell. The only certainty in this situation is that this hodgepodge is the doing of the powers that were responsible for conducting the election; it is they who have brought the country to this point.

If we are to continue proudly declaiming our commitment to the democratic process, there should be a unanimous call to bring the perpetrators to justice. In fact, more than the PTI, it is the sitting government that should be actively pursuing whoever has led to a situation where their victory has been soured and their legitimacy is being called into question.

Two videos showing election rigging:
Poll Rigging in Election 2013 from Dawn.com on Vimeo
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No matter what would've happened or not. Refer to my link, then people turn Manic and they have Bi Polar...they'll get people killed. Life will be what they want it to be that day under that cycle. As people and followers, you have to be smart to see so many U turns and understand there may be a Psychological issue there!

@Hiptullha is right, this caused Qadri's march:

Lahore Model Town Incident - Punjab Police Attack - Exclusive Video - YouTube

The violence perpetrated by PMLN's police force and supporters like Gullu Butt are what caused Qadri's people to start a march. Even if what you said was true and Qadri has some personality disorder, If he tried some Long March without proper reason, his supporters wouldn't have been as many as they are now.

 

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The problem with Imran Khan is that he is not very good at politics. He may be a great leader and good person but he is a bad politician. He couldn't get PMLN to investigate the rigging and make reforms by politically coercing them so he had to use street power. His motive is good but the methods are not as good. But then, what other options did he have?

Aside from protesting, PTI could either stay quiet and let the same bullshit continue or they could stay quiet and join the corrupt politicians, neither of which Imran Khan was willing to do.

Answers to the questions:

1)
PTI thought they could solve the rigging problem through courts and other mechanisms, even though many PTI supporters protested immediately after the elections.

2)
He is certainly the one who gained the most from it, and he is the one who didn't allow a proper investigation when PTI demanded one.

3)
All the other parties are either bought by PMLN, were involved in the rigging themselves or lack the support/will to take part in such protests.

4)
That's a good question. He seems to be very confident about his claims and probably has some sort of evidence to back the claims. However, evidence can only be found and presented if there was a proper investigation, which PMLN didn't allow to take place.

5)
Because its opposition can't find enough things to accuse it of, so they make stuff up. PTI hasn't changed its demands, which were always an investigation and reforms in the electoral system.

6)

His people are probably reluctant to follow his "all in" strategy. Imran Khan thinks the electoral process there was different in KPK because he is confident that if anyone investigated constituencies there, the faults there would be minor. He is also confident that if there is a re-election, his party would still win.



Imran Khan never said he wanted to be prime minister. Never. Here is a video of his demands, along with an article listing them. I don't see any "Prime Minister Khan" in them.

Imran Khan unveils his party’s six demands - thenews.com.pk



If you had spent a fraction of the time and energy you spent typing all this crap reading a few paragraphs of PTI's Manifesto or even a few news articles, your opinion would change.

You keep repeating the same stuff over and over again, "Violence". No PTI workers have been involved in violence till now. The only violence we saw was from PMLN.

All the economic loss was caused because of the PMLN government blocking cities with containers, not because of the Azadi and Inqilab marches.

PMLN left PTI no other option. They tried to negotiate with them, they tried to use legal methods, they tried to go to the courts and every other mechanism in place.
See it this way: I have a problem with the entrance to your house because it covers the full street. I ask you to do something about daily it for 14 months but you don't even lift a finger. Finally, being left with no other option, I threaten to block that entrance and demand that you rebuild it so that it doesn't block the whole street. In response, you dig a ditch around your entrance, making the whole street, along with your entrance, useless.

Again, the only "bloodshed" and "destroyed economy" was caused by the government's actions.

Oh, "trust" you? What makes you think PTI did not try to do this in the Parliament and Assemblies? That's exactly what they were doing for 14 months! If PTI was so power hungry, they would have started long marches as soon as the elections ended.

The elections being rigged are not anyone's "Paranoia". Anyone who was in Pakistan during the elections can tell you what kind of elections we had. When 80,000 votes in a constituency cannot be verified, that means something is wrong. There is no way anyone in his right mind can say that the elections were "free and fair".

Imran Khan is indeed very reckless and has probably become mentally disturbed because he knows he can't save Pakistan.

Here's an article from the tribune:
Were Pakistan’s 2013 elections really rigged? – The Express Tribune Blog


Two videos showing election rigging:
Poll Rigging in Election 2013 from Dawn.com on Vimeo
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@Hiptullha is right, this caused Qadri's march:

Lahore Model Town Incident - Punjab Police Attack - Exclusive Video - YouTube

The violence perpetrated by PMLN's police force and supporters like Gullu Butt are what caused Qadri's people to start a march. Even if what you said was true and Qadri has some personality disorder, If he tried some Long March without proper reason, his supporters wouldn't have been as many as they are now.

What a waste of time.

Honestly, what do people get out of writing an essay, which the other person fails or doesn't even read? Do people really have so much time on their hands for "internet fight?"

Really? I think everyone forgot about Tahir Ul Qadri. It was only when the Model Town killings took place the talk of revolution arose once again.

he was coming before the killings for his revolution.

The killings just became an excuse