Only Role And Targets Assigned to Army in lieu of Pardon for Alleged RCO.

[imadul]

Blaming military will not take the country or public anywhere. If's and but's are not also useful. There is no guarantee of future COAS neither are there any proofs against Bajwa. Keep this in mind that this world or politics or the system is not black and white. While we analyze any situation or give our views on the information we have, its the media which has to play a role that its required to do along with politics and military. IK comes in power, we don't know who will be the COAS in his tenure as PM. We do not know what the circumstances will be then. If you think Bajwa has done wrong, then its done whatever you think he did, you can blame him day and night, nothing will happen. Military is such a strong entity in Pakistan, with such a massive human resource and technology at its disposal that even with multiple operations or multiple projects, no can say that Military has been truly kept busy since it looks after almost all matters related to Pakistan's security and beyond. Understanding how the military system operates is not rocket science but its also not the rumors that have been built up on this forum. A basic way to understand military is to be in military or a part of military or associated strongly with military in real life on almost every day basis.

The control that IK wants or lets say any COAS wants, or any other politician wants or USA wants - over Pakistan, its not going to happen. Don't even think freemasons or illuminati or Rothchilds or Rockfellers - there is another entity who sits above skies. He controls everything. Now what you and everyone need to understand that practical steps by public will bring the power back to Pakistan and the public. No one takes practical steps. Its not easy to take practical steps. Its much easier to type words online. Just as a guideline, think about billionaires of the world, how did they become billionaires ? Now please don't tell me that Pakistan Army stopped Pakistanis from becoming billionaires. When you match power with power, then the struggle begins, but then you have to decide what is power ? Is it money, authority, technology, resources, a top level seat or is it a combination of all.

The war on streets of Pakistan will not end till extremism dies from Pakistani society, especially extremism linked with religion.

Army is the root of all evils in Pakistan, you may read Establishment.

It has maintained its hold because Pakistanis has hold army in great esteem but now clay idol has broken.

You had said army is very powerful. In Pakistan where so many warring nationalities and outside powers like India and even Iran shall be ready to help, Army needs support of the people this is assuming army is able to hold its power.

All political parties hate army though they will side with them for their interests.

All powerful armies have been defeated in modern history.
Chile, argentine, Indonesia, Egypt ( came back with brotherhood mistakes and foreign help), Brazil, South Korea, Philippine...list goes on.

Munafiq face of army is utterly exposed in Pakistan, and it is first time. They are looked down upon. One small sample, majority of PDF forum members harshly criticise army who once were staunch supporters.

And first time a strong and Unyielding leader has got them and junta failed to dislodge him even with pdm and media support.

Worst it can take time, but their ouster and accountability is a matter of when not if.

 

[nahtanbob]

The war on streets of Pakistan will not end till extremism dies from Pakistani society, especially extremism linked with religion.

Don't you have more problems than that ?

 

[Signalian]

Don't you have more problems than that ?

This one problem creates all others

 

[Goritoes]

well then time to weed out such traitors from the army. surely army has patriots in its rank to counter the traitors within their ranks.

I doubt it, this institution has crossed all level of bagairti, they will never harm each other because sab ek hi thaali ke chatay batay hain.

 

[Signalian]

Army is the root of all evils in Pakistan, you may read Establishment.

It has maintained its hold because Pakistanis has hold army in great esteem but now clay idol has broken.

You had said army is very powerful. In Pakistan where so many warring nationalities and outside powers like India and even Iran shall be ready to help, Army needs support of the people this is assuming army is able to hold its power.

All political parties hate army though they will side with them for their interests.

All powerful armies have been defeated in modern history.
Chile, argentine, Indonesia, Egypt ( came back with brotherhood mistakes and foreign help), Brazil, South Korea, Philippine...list goes on.

Munafiq face of army is utterly exposed in Pakistan, and it is first time. They are looked down upon. One small sample, majority of PDF forum members harshly criticise army who once were staunch supporters.

And first time a strong and Unyielding leader has got them and junta failed to dislodge him even with pdm and media support.

Worst it can take time, but their ouster and accountability is a matter of when not if.

A political party needs support of its workers as in - the public. Army doesn't need support in that case, it has half a million troops ready to carry out the orders. As for public supporting the Army - that will always the remain the case (apart maybe from coup or martial law). The reason is that Army doesn't need public support to make a COAS, Corps Comd, or any other position. Public knows Army will be there for the public during any disaster such as recent floods. This will always keep the recruiting ripe both in PMA and other recruitment centres.

PDF members look at military from a political point of view, so even if they dont support Army, it doesnt matter at all, the system run in Army is not run on their votes or support, Army will continue to function nonetheless.

The major issue with any political party is finding a good leader who can lead the nation, however, in Pakistan big political parties are run by families where as PTI has no foreseeable leader after IK. Army will keep getting different varieties of COASs as seen in the past. There have been different categories of officers who were made COAS, so like I said, the system continues whether public or PDF or you support it or not.

 

[imadul]

A political party needs support of its workers as in - the public. Army doesn't need support in that case, it has half a million troops ready to carry out the orders. As for public supporting the Army - that will always the remain the case (apart maybe from coup or martial law). The reason is that Army doesn't need public support to make a COAS, Corps Comd, or any other position. Public knows Army will be there for the public during any disaster such as recent floods. This will always keep the recruiting ripe both in PMA and other recruitment centres.

PDF members look at military from a political point of view, so even if they dont support Army, it doesnt matter at all, the system run in Army is not run on their votes or support, Army will continue to function nonetheless.

The major issue with any political party is finding a good leader who can lead the nation, however, in Pakistan big political parties are run by families where as PTI has no foreseeable leader after IK. Army will keep getting different varieties of COASs as seen in the past. There have been different categories of officers who were made COAS, so like I said, the system continues whether public or PDF or you support it or not.

I shall just confine to suppprt matter to Army or not.
Army chiefs have themselves acknowledged no Army can fight without the support of the people.
Point is, there is an unprecedented level of hate towards Army. This was never the case before for half century ....except, yes, in East pakistan, and history witnessed an utter routing of Pak army, defeat, and surrender before Hindus. One can only watch the level of hate towards pak army in particular. That lesson could be enough. In subcontinent Muslim were defeated before but no surrender like 71.

 

[Enigma SIG]

When IK returns as PM, Military Establishment will be dreading him what he shall do against their alleged role in RCO.

Military Establishment should be given these targets for the next 10 years in lieu of any action for their alleged role in RCO and destabilizing the country:

1. General Headquarters to concentrate all their energies working on a military plan to liberate Kashmir.

2. A think tank comprising of foreign policy experts, academicians, economists, and retired military thinkers to think through financial, political, and diplomatic challenges and ramifications. That should be under civilian government.

2. Work on Pakistan own AIP equipped Submarine force. Pakistan Chinese AIP sub delivery is in difficulty after Germany refused to supply diesel engines.

3. Work on Pakistan NGFA. ( Work with Turkey on a TFX variant).

4. Procure a suitable turboshaft power plant for stalled TAI ATAK T129.

5. Prepare a plan to engage Pakistan engineering universities on advanced military and non-military research projects, financial help and build advanced labs and infrastructure.

6. Build Kalabagh dam. If US army Corps of Engineers can construct Hoover dam, PA
Corps of Engineers should do that also.
They should be given task to how to reclaim water as a result of disastrous climate change effects. They should be given task to build Basha and Dasu Dams, and smaller dams in Baluchistan and sindh.

7. A bill for these targets should be passed in the NA and made public and read to every new batch of military academies.

Do nothing.

Just get a project management consultant to do a 3 hour meeting everyday with the army leadership on what a RACI matrix is and tell them to stivk to their defined roles.

Added bonus points for the consultant getting the leadershil to make a batti of the same and shoving it where the sun dont shine.

 

[-=virus=-]

IK is politically done with, khallas.. rummage the history bins for his stuff all you want but banda khallas is game se.. he's not coming back, 0 chance. The structure there in Pak just will not allow it for that to ever happen.

He could write a book but, earn some royalties.. do paid speeches, become an activist.. but iska siyasi proper game khallas hua.

 

[imadul]

IK is politically done with, khallas.. rummage the history bins for his stuff all you want but banda khallas is game se.. he's not coming back, 0 chance. The structure there in Pak just will not allow it for that to ever happen.

He could write a book but, earn some royalties.. do paid speeches, become an activist.. but iska siyasi proper game khallas hua.

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That's what the handlers were sure about it but they are left about-faced.