Only 27% in Pakistan Identify as Pakistanis First

[suresh1773]

You are not a true Pakistani if you aren't a Muslim first. Without religion, there is no Pakistani patriotism.

What about the non Muslims that is Hindus,Christians,Parsis. Are they not true Pakistanis,are they exceptions

 

[Taygibay]

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Even though it's a subset analysis, this table talks.
Check out mainstream WestCiv first : Can/Fr/De/etc.
Compared to average at bottom, they add World citizenship for a few percent ( 65%+- ).
France, Spain and Oz stand out with about 85% in that combo!
Spain's majority of world citizenship is exceptional; no wonder their parties are so cool.

It seems true that national identity and religious one oppose :
check the Kenya/Ghana/Nigeria trio doing the sliding rule thing.

Check South Korea's record in race segment : which won't surprise anyone that visited
considering their obsession with physical stereotyped beauty.

Check Indonesia's record in local communities and link it to their internal security problem.

Double check Pakistan record in the religious sphere, remembering that if all the world was
included, others probably go higher than that.

Last, verify the countries below it in that ranking ( India comes next? USA in 3rd! ) to see if
you can find out anything about how it influences their fate or attitude*.


Great find and well sourced post @RiazHaq !


Great day all, Tay.


* For example, at least a couple American Congressmen probably vote against arming Pakistan
every chance they get because their "Christianity" calls them to it ... which would not happen if
they considered national interest first! Although this probably goes vice-versa in others situations, granted!


And/or countercheck to that African trio, religious sentiment vs prosperity / safety.

 

[Apprentice]

What about the non Muslims that is Hindus,Christians,Parsis. Are they not true Pakistanis,are they exceptions

Pakistan was not made for them. Its non-Muslim inhabitants were made our citizens against their desire. They can remain here safely if they want as long as they don't disturb us since the area of Pakistan is their ancestral land.

But I don't expect their loyalty. If they are loyal, then thats very kind of them. But unlike India, we don't demand that our minorities be patriotic nor do we bully them into being Pakistanis.

 

[T-72M1]

Pakistan was not made for them. Its non-Muslim inhabitants were made our citizens against their desire. They can remain here safely if they want as long as they don't disturb us since the area of Pakistan is their ancestral land.

But I don't expect their loyalty. If they are loyal, then thats very kind of them. But unlike India, we don't demand that our minorities be patriotic nor do we bully them into being Pakistanis.

that's not very nice of you to say that, no wonder your minorities have been steadily declining and almost all but vanished since 47.

oh well, it is your country, and you get to run it as you please.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

Yeah it is haram. Its disgusting that 57% don't see themselves as Muslims first.......

Pakistan was not made for them....

Yeah well, if the concept of nationalism is all wrong, what does it matter and why are you interested who Pakistan was made for?

In fact why are you interested in Pakistan at all?

 

[third eye]

You are not a true Pakistani if you aren't a Muslim first.

Implying thereby that non Muslims are / cannot be ' true' Pakistanis ?

 

[EyelessInGaza]

that's not very nice of you to say that,....

Nice or not, that's who he actually is...making grandiose statements about Islam while living in a Western country.

Ask him to live in Pakistan right now, to phir phat ke haath me aa jayegi.

 

[Apprentice]

that's not very nice of you to say that, no wonder your minorities have been steadily declining and almost all but vanished since 47.

oh well, it is your country, and you get to run it as you please.

Actually the population of our minorities has remained stable since partition.

Most of our minorities left during Partition. And the bulk of them were concentrated in Punjab. There was a population transfer on both sides of the Punjab.

The 2nd largest area of Hindu population in Pakistan was Sindh. During partition, the arrival of Muslim refugees from Ajmer and Delhi (who had faced violence in India) into urban Sindh resulted in the reverse migration of urban Hindus. The rural Hindus stayed back and most of them still live in Pakistan.

During the 1965 war there was a sizeable population exchange in the Thar desert. Thousands of Muslims families from Indian Thar migrated to Pakistani Thar. Thousands of Hindu families also migrated from Pakistani Thar to Indian Thar.

Of course there is a trickle of a few Hindus from Pakistan (mainly Sind and Balochistan) who have been migrating to India in recent years. But then during the 1950s and 1960s Indian Muslims were also constantly migrating to Pakistan in the tens of thousands each year.

 

[third eye]

Pakistan was not made for them. Its non-Muslim inhabitants were made our citizens against their desire. They can remain here safely if they want as long as they don't disturb us since the area of Pakistan is their ancestral land.

This is nt what Jinnah said or wanted.

You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state.

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

1st Muslim
Then Pakistani
Then Baloch.
Till death.

So that means i'm not a good baloch????...... Huh

 

[Spectre]

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Last, verify the countries below it in that ranking ( India comes next? USA in 3rd! ) to see if
you can find out anything about how it influences their fate or attitude*.


Great find and well sourced post @RiazHaq !


Great day all, Tay.


* For example, at least a couple American Congressmen probably vote against arming Pakistan
every chance they get because their "Christianity" calls them to it ... which would not happen if
they considered national interest first! Although this probably goes vice-versa in others situations, granted!


And/or countercheck to that African trio, religious sentiment vs prosperity / safety.

Apples and oranges, 10-15% vs 40+% is a tad bit unfair comparison specially when you use that comparison to make a dubious hypothesis.

As for Christianity factor in calling for restricting aid (there is no restrictions on supply of F-16 but for subsidizing) this is a stretch. Their are legitimate questions on why Pakistan should be provided aid when you consider it's dubious role when it comes to targeting Afghan focused terrorists and bringing Mumbai attack victims (also Americans) to justice.)

 

[Apprentice]

This is nt what Jinnah said or wanted.

You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state.

This is how Khawaja Nazimuddin, one of Quaid e Azam's closest lieutenants and from the founders of Pakistan, explained Jinnah's 11th August quote.

''I do not agree that religion is a private affair of the individual nor do I agree that in an Islamic state every citizen has identical rights, no matter what his caste, creed or faith be...The speech of the Quaid e Azam must be interpreted in the context in which it was delivered. It was delivered at the inauguration of the new Constituent Assembly. The new state was being established on the basis of the Two-nation theory. In the process of establishment there had been a bitter struggle on communal grounds. In Pakistan a large section of non-Muslims were going to reside. The Quaid-e-Azam, as head of the State, and belonging as he did to the majority community' felt it to be his duty to inspire confidence amongst the minorities who would naturally be nervous because they had been, against their will, made citizens of Pakistan.''

 

[EyelessInGaza]

1st Muslim
Then Pakistani
Then Baloch.
Till death.

Yeah that's why your username is Baloch Pakistani.

 

[third eye]

This is how Khawaja Nazimuddin, one of Quaid e Azam's closest lieutenants and from the founders of Pakistan, explained Jinnah's 11th August quote.

''I do not agree that religion is a private affair of the individual nor do I agree that in an Islamic state every citizen has identical rights, no matter what his caste, creed or faith be...The speech of the Quaid e Azam must be interpreted in the context in which it was delivered. It was delivered at the inauguration of the new Constituent Assembly. The new state was being established on the basis of the Two-nation theory. In the process of establishment there had been a bitter struggle on communal grounds. In Pakistan a large section of non-Muslims were going to reside. The Quaid-e-Azam, as head of the State, and belonging as he did to the majority community' felt it to be his duty to inspire confidence amongst the minorities who would naturally be nervous because they had been, against their will, made citizens of Pakistan.''

Dont need a second party interpretation.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

This is how Khawaja Nazimuddin, one of Quaid e Azam's closest lieutenants and from the founders of Pakistan, explained Jinnah's 11th August quote.
.........

Wow, now we have third party explanations of direct quotes...if this is the case with a man, Jinnah, no wonder you fight so much over your holy book.