One of the largest concentrations of ancient tombs discovered in KSA from space

[denel]

Get lost imbecile and stop polluting informative threads with your moronic ignorant diarrhea. In other words, don't waste my time again.

Get lost to the desert sands and seek god. Learn to be a human being first.

 

[Al-Andalus]

The imbecile keeps polluting informative threads with his moronic ignorant diarrhea. Maybe he thinks that this informative thread is his local pigsty. Should be silenced like the insignificant low IQ cretin that he is.

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Some ancient artifacts found by hunters recently.

Video:

Amazing. I can spot Arabian Jewish, Christian and ancient pre-Abrahamic Semitic pagan religious symbols.

a friend of mine trenching in makkah for railway communication lines hit a treasure trove of ancient artifacts and idols and took some home with him...

Nah he is keeping a handful of them as a trophy!

The problem with archaeology in Arabia is that it is a treasure trove of pagan past which the mutaween would hate to expose...and off-course Judaism would be everywhere...!

Private individuals, as soon as they start digging, appear to find treasures all over KSA.

I should do my bit, when I return back home, given the frequency of such findings.

I just need to buy this gadget.

 

[Mikaail]

It has more to do with their traditional values than it is with Islam.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Well, that might very well be the case. However as that BBC article states it is probably only due to very recent (compared to the earliest) migration back into Ethiopia (Horn of Africa as a whole) from the Arabian Peninsula and wider Middle East to a smaller degree. This might explain why, in particular, the Semitic-speaking populations of the Ethiopian (Eritrea too) highlands such as the Amhara, Tigray, Tigrinya, Tigre and Gurage (collectively known as Habesha people) have a lot of Caucasian/Euroasian (West Asian) admixture in their DNA genome. They also often have West Asian (Arab) facial features and do in general look different on average than the Cushitic speakers of Ethiopia.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/the-genetic-affinities-of-ethiopians/#.V7M9p1eYU00

Many of our Afro-Arabs are Habesha people.

If you ask me they are some of the most beautiful women in the world but that is another topic, lol.

However I have a hard time believing that native African populations in Central Africa and Southern Africa have much Neanderthal DNA if any.

BTW have you ever taken a DNA test? Is there a interest for such a thing in Iran?

Anyway 3000-5000 years is not that many generations if you think about it. That's around 150-100 generations back.



You should tell your fried to contact the authorities (SCTH) immediately so those artifacts can be returned.

10.000 artifacts were returned not that long ago by a few American expats alone.

Americans honored for returning Saudi treasures ​

JEDDAH: ARAB NEWS | Published — Monday 31 December 2012

Seven US citizens have taken the initiative to return a number of Saudi artifacts, which they possessed for decades and were of great value, to the Saudi Commission for Tourism and Antiquities (SCTA).
The Americans were copiously honored by Prince Sultan bin Salman, SCTA president, at the opening ceremony of the three-month-long exhibition “Roads of Arabia: Archaeology and History of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia”, which was opened on Nov. 15.
The citizens who returned the artifacts are “Sons of Aramco”, said Janet Smith, wife of the US Ambassador to the Kingdom James Smith. “They were born and lived in the Kingdom with their parents, who were working for Saudi Aramco, and are now part of the Alumni Association Aramco families and retirees, which includes people between the ages of 5-90 years,” she said.
Barbara Denis Martin, one of the honorees, said that she was born in the Kingdom and lived there until she was 20, so she considers it to be her second homeland.
“When I was a child, I used to go camping with my family out of the urban area. The desert was fascinating with its wild flora and fauna. Moreover, there were wide ranges of thousand-year pottery spread. We used to spend hours exploring, and managed to find many artifacts that emerged due to wind erosion. We could gather a collection of 60-70 pottery and glass pieces, some intact, others shriveled. We were aware of their archaeological value, but they wouldn’t be given much appreciation by nationals back then, so we kept them at our homes. Years later, we went back to America and took them to boastfully show them in our America-based houses,” Martin declared.
Louis Wolfram, speaking about her story with Saudi monuments, said: “I was accustomed to collecting pottery items from the Kingdom’s prairies, where I used to go to on excursions when I was a child. One day I went with my family to Jubail on a trip, and I found there a green pottery piece that was half sunk in the sand, so I dug it out and then removed more sand layers in the same location to find a two-handled ceramic pot. We took both pieces with us home and kept them in care for years.”
Lucile Lynn, from Florida, recalled her memories in the Kingdom, when they used to spend hours with her two daughters out of Aramco employees’ residential area. They were hiking around freely, when they found a number of historical artifacts.
About retrieving the artifacts, Barbara Martin said: “I was not aware of the real number of all artifacts we found, until I visited my father’s house last year to clean it and found out that they were too many, feeling happy that I could get them back home.”
Arthur Clark, associate editor of Aramco World magazine, said: “Our invitation for retrieval of Saudi artifacts was widely responded, encouraged by the initiative of Prince Sultan bin Salman. We could contact Aramco sons and organized several meetings with them to inform them about the initiative for returning and restoring these artifacts to be displayed in the Kingdom’s under-construction museums.”
This invitation was addressed to Saudis and non-Saudis all over the world to restore these monuments to their homeland, Clark said.
“Sons of Aramco” could take care of them for years before the modern Saudi urban development. Now, with all the regulations and laws issued by the SCTA, theses artifacts will be well appreciated and taken more care of in their homeland.
The agreement got its fruit by encouraging numerous governmental associations and individuals to retrieve more than 3,000 artifacts from within the country and more than 14,000 from all over the world. The returned treasures were exhibited in the Riyadh National Museum, as a feature of an exhibition was held under the aegis of Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah.

http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/americans-honored-returning-saudi-treasures

Check out this great article from AramcoWorld

http://www.aramcoworld.com/en-US/Articles/March-2016/Returning-Treasures-to-the-Kingdom

Over 10,000 artifacts retrieved ​

Author
P.K. Abdul Ghafour | Arab News
Publication Date:
Thu, 2009-12-24

JEDDAH: Saudi Arabia has retrieved more than 10,000 of its artifacts from other countries, Prince Sultan bin Salman, chairman of Saudi Commission for Tourism and Antiquities (SCTA), said on Wednesday.

“Retrieving antiquities has now become a national issue,” he said, adding that the government would continue its efforts to bring back Saudi artifacts scattered across the world.

He said an exhibition of the recovered antiquities would be held soon.

Prince Sultan said the SCTA with the cooperation of other government agencies would prevent the theft of antiquities, especially the ones from the Islamic heritage sites in Makkah and Madinah.

He disclosed plans to establish a major Islamic and national museum at Al-Khozam Palace in Jeddah and a Qur’an museum in Madinah.

Efforts are also under way to establish 12 new museums in other parts of the country, he said.

“We have so far licensed more than 70 private museums in the Kingdom and will soon start providing financial support to such museums in association with banks and other public and private agencies,” he told a gathering at the residence of Abdul Maqsood Khoja, a prominent Jeddah businessman.

Prince Sultan said the Kingdom would host the first international conference on architectural heritage on April 18.

“We have received requests from at least eight world exhibition centers to display Saudi antiquities,” he pointed out. He also said that the SCTA was working on setting up a company with the private sector to develop heritage hotels.

“The commission is committed to bringing about a qualitative change in people’s perception of national heritage and antiquities,” the prince added.

“Saudi Arabia is replete with a large number of valuable antiquities and protection of these artifacts is a national duty,” he said, adding that the Kingdom would not tolerate smuggling of antiquities.

He said registration of heritage sites at UNESCO would take years, adding that the registration of Madain Saleh took four years.

“We have presented an application to UNESCO to register the historical area of Jeddah and we hope it would be voted on after two years,” he said. “We are now working on a number of programs to develop Old Jeddah into an architectural heritage site of international importance. We are facing a lot of challenges.”

Efforts are under way to renovate old palaces built during the Saudi era.

“We have completed renovation of 90 percent of these palaces and turned them into cultural centers and museums,” he pointed out.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/331666

Considering the "lawlessness" on this field we can easily conclude that this number is many, many times higher. I believe that locals have not returned 20 times that number. At least. If such things are not even fixed today what can we then expect?

He found them during the construction (not finished) of the Makkah-Madinah railway, right? Even more pathetic if true.

maa sadkay...........

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

yes friend. i dont know what is with these arab members, always spewing vulgarity; looks like it is in their dna.

If you don't like Arab members then why do you talk to them??

Anyway nice keep it up Al-Andalus

 

[denel]

If you don't like Arab members then why do you talk to them??

Anyway nice keep it up Al-Andalus

I dont like arabs period. no further discussions.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

I dont like arabs period. no further discussions.

Then why are you in the Middle east threads? Why are you going on a thread about Saudi Arabia? Frankly why do you hate Arabs?

Stop trolling and leave.

 

[The SC]

Something about this map I can't understand .
why first humans in their migration left Nile river and and instead of going north to Egypt have to pass red sea then Persian gulf then go to India then pass through those mountainous area at the border of India and Pakistan after that travel through mountainous area at north of Iran and then pass through deserts of Iraq and Syria and at the end go to Egypt .
don't you guys like me see the definition of masochism .

They were looking for fertile groundd with plenty of game and possibility of agriculture.. the migration went in steps from Africa, through Arabia to the rest of the world..as many different tribes formed and looked of lands for their own..

 

[Al-Andalus]

If you don't like Arab members then why do you talk to them??

Anyway nice keep it up Al-Andalus

Then why are you in the Middle east threads? Why are you going on a thread about Saudi Arabia? Frankly why do you hate Arabs?

Stop trolling and leave.

Brother, please don't waste oxygen on that tool for your own sake. You can see his first post in this thread and how that "discussion" started. You see, I know the tool from previous encounters and I am well aware of his low IQ behavior here. With such posts it was my obligation to call him out and tell it how it is (basically we are dealing with an ignorant, dumb and biased troll).

He is envious, like many others, that Arabs are one of the most influential people in history, that the Arab world is the cradle of civilization and home to the most ancient, famous, impressive artifacts and well-known monuments etc. As well as the oldest and the most important ancient civilizations. There are countless of other reasons. I once heard from an anti-Arab tool here that he dislikes the fact that there are almost 500 million of us. So even our numbers (second biggest ethnic group in the world after the Han Chinese and our numbers will only grow unlike the Chinese) is a problem for them.

So as you can see, such threads annoy him deeply. He does not like the fact that KSA is immensely rich when it comes to ancient artifacts and history and that Arabia is the second oldest inhabited place outside of Eastern Africa. It goes totally against what he would like the history to be.

You see, just in this short "debate" he used "desert" as if that was an insult also forgetting/not knowing/knowing but not mentioning it, that more than half of KSA's territory is mountainous and that all the most famous and ancient artifacts are found in arid climates across the entire Arab world from Egypt, Iraq, Levant to Arabia. Or other areas in the MENA region.

Those people have serious mental problems. Do you see Arabs showcasing the same behavior in regards to South African topics or even South Asian (as I am quite sure that he is either of Pakistani, Nepali, Bangladeshi or Indian origin?). None at all.

They were looking for fertile groundd with plenty of game and possibility of agriculture.. the migration went in steps from Africa, through Arabia to the rest of the world..as many different tribes formed and looked of lands for their own..

Fertile ground was never a problem that far ago as all of Africa, Arabia, Middle East etc. was basically one lush and green area. They were simply looking for new pastures and immigrating to new lands as people have continued to do since then.

Less than 6000 years ago Arabia was home to some of the largest river systems in the world and the third largest lake before the climate of the MENA region became much more arid.



https://www.researchgate.net/post/A..._largest_river_any_official_names_for_the_two

http://phys.org/news/2012-05-ancient-network-rivers-lakes-arabian.html

This article below is probably the best I have seen so far on this topic. Very detailed. Granted, I have not done too much search but anyway it is more than worth a read.

http://www.ecoseeds.com/cool.html

Some experts have said that this type of geography/climate might return one day. Even that it is likely given the climatic history of the planet.

Basically the Rub' al-Khali was one giant lake which is also why, to this day, you can find large water reserves and lakes in the middle of nowhere.

As can be seen here below:

 

[The SC]

Brother, please don't waste oxygen on that tool for your own sake. You can see his first post in this thread and how that "discussion" started. You see, I know the tool from previous encounters and I am well aware of his low IQ behavior here. With such posts it was my obligation to call him out and tell it how it is (basically we are dealing with an ignorant, dumb and biased troll).

He is envious, like many others, that Arabs are one of the most influential people in history, that the Arab world is the cradle of civilization and home to the most ancient, famous, impressive artifacts and well-known monuments etc. As well as the oldest and the most important ancient civilizations. There are countless of other reasons. I once heard from an anti-Arab tool here that he dislikes the fact that there are almost 500 million of us. So even our numbers (second biggest ethnic group in the world after the Han Chinese and our numbers will only grow unlike the Chinese) is a problem for them.

So as you can see, such threads annoy him deeply. He does not like the fact that KSA is immensely rich when it comes to ancient artifacts and history and that Arabia is the second oldest inhabited place outside of Eastern Africa. It goes totally against what he would like the history to be.

You see, just in this short "debate" he used "desert" as if that was an insult also forgetting/not knowing/knowing but not mentioning it, that more than half of KSA's territory is mountainous and that all the most famous and ancient artifacts are found in arid climates across the entire Arab world from Egypt, Iraq, Levant to Arabia. Or other areas in the MENA region.

Those people have serious mental problems. Do you see Arabs showcasing the same behavior in regards to South African topics or even South Asian (as I am quite sure that he is either of Pakistani, Nepali, Bangladeshi or Indian origin?). None at all.



Fertile ground was never a problem that far ago as all of Africa, Arabia, Middle East etc. was basically one lush and green area. They were simply looking for new pastures and immigrating to new lands as people have continued to do since then.

Less than 6000 years ago Arabia was home to some of the largest river systems in the world and the third largest lake before the climate of the MENA region became much more arid.



https://www.researchgate.net/post/A..._largest_river_any_official_names_for_the_two

http://phys.org/news/2012-05-ancient-network-rivers-lakes-arabian.html

This article below is probably the best I have seen so far on this topic. Very detailed. Granted, I have not done too much search but anyway it is more than worth a read.

http://www.ecoseeds.com/cool.html

Some experts have said that this type of geography/climate might return one day. Even that it is likely given the climatic history of the planet.

Basically the Rub' al-Khali was one giant lake which is also why, to this day, you can find large water reserves and lakes in the middle of nowhere.

As can be seen here below:

Yes, and I was thiking of the fertile crescent cilizatio and the Indus valley one.. but that came much later than the first migrations from Africa Through Arabia..

 

[Hack-Hook]

They were looking for fertile groundd with plenty of game and possibility of agriculture.. the migration went in steps from Africa, through Arabia to the rest of the world..as many different tribes formed and looked of lands for their own..

well my understanding is that Nile valley is a lot more fertile and have a lot more games and possibility of agriculture than the route suggested by that map. If that map is true then they were after something else not what you mentioned ,for me I believe there was several out of Africa route not just the Southern Arabia route that was mentioned in the map.

 

[The SC]

well my understanding is that Nile valley is a lot more fertile and have a lot more games and possibility of agriculture than the route suggested by that map. If that map is true then they were after something else not what you mentioned ,for me I believe there was several out of Africa route not just the Southern Arabia route that was mentioned in the map.

They were looking for something else 100 000 years ago like what? please enlighten us?

 

[Brutas]

Very informative documentaries. All these Pre-Islamic remnants are preserved in Arabia, that's encouraging ! ISIS and their kind are destroying everything every where(including calling for destruction of pyramids !) in the name of religion, yet in Arabia, the heartland, Pre-Islamic artifacts/monuments are preserved and put on display in museums. What a contradiction !

Makes one wonder which religion these extremists represent !

 

[Al-Andalus]

well my understanding is that Nile valley is a lot more fertile and have a lot more games and possibility of agriculture than the route suggested by that map. If that map is true then they were after something else not what you mentioned ,for me I believe there was several out of Africa route not just the Southern Arabia route that was mentioned in the map.

The first migration out of East Africa (Ethiopia/Kenya were the oldest human remains have been found in the world) went through Southern Arabia as the first area outside of Africa. There is a consensus about this nowadays and virtually all genetic, archaeological, historical etc. evidence point to this being an fact as well. Even from a logical and geographical point of view such a thing makes sense. The other migration went through Egypt into Northern Arabia and Southern Levant.

You are mixing different topics with each other. Agriculture was first developed in the Levant during the Neolithic Age. 12.000 years ago. The first "out of Africa" migration of humans occurred approximately 100.000 years ago. Recently a 90.000 year old bone of a human was found in Hijaz, KSA by a team of Saudi Arabian and British (from Oxford University) experts. Near the ancient city of Tayma more precisely.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/s...-old-bone-ancient-lake-saudi-arabia-927035952

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...r-old-human-bone-discovered-Saudi-Arabia.html

As for climate, you should have in mind that just 6000 years ago much of the MENA region and in particular Arabia was very fertile. For instance Arabia had one of the largest river systems and was home to the third largest lake in the world.



Even to this day there are many fertile areas in Arabia and even an monsoon season called khareef.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khareef

Also exotic corps found nowhere else in the MENA region are native to this part of the world. Coffee, banana, coconut, pineapple etc. to name a few.

Regarding the talk about climate, see post 56 and in particular this very detailed and informative article.

http://www.ecoseeds.com/cool.html

Anyway, not to be rude, but we are a bit off-topic.

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I am just looking forward to KSA opening up for archaeologists, historians and other professionals to a much, much larger degree as almost nothing of KSA has been explored. It sadly remains one of the least explored countries in the world despite its enormous geographical size, crucial role in history and central geographical position and the fact that Arabia is the longest inhabited place by humans outside of Eastern Africa. It would be even better if no religious or other "sensitivities" as seen until now would hamper such future field work.

Here is a very interesting documentary. I can highly recommend it as it deals with the ancient history of modern-day KSA. Numerous artifacts are included.

Prince Sultan has almost single-handedly revived the SCTA. For instance the "Roads of Arabia" exhibition that toured the world was a huge success. It toured the most important museums in Europe and the US and was sold out each single time which can be considered a great PR success. Of course braindead segments within KSA opposed this however they were silenced and are in a clear minority. Hopefully they will soon die out completely as they have been of much embarrassment.

Prince Sultan is the first Muslim to fly in outer space and the first royal astronaut in history. He flow aboard the American STS-51-G Space Shuttle mission as a payload specialist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_bin_Salman_Al_Saud

More people like him in power are needed. A man of great integrity.

Very informative documentaries. All these Pre-Islamic remnants are preserved in Arabia, that's encouraging ! ISIS and their kind are destroying everything every where(including calling for destruction of pyramids !) in the name of religion, yet in Arabia, the heartland, Pre-Islamic artifacts/monuments are preserved and put on display in museums. What a contradiction !

Makes one wonder which religion these extremists represent !

You are welcome.

ISIS is a very complicated topic that would need an entire separate thread and a very long discussion. Discussing ISIS in this thread would be out of place. However you should have in mind that those lunatics do not represent anyone but themselves. The number of ISIS members do not exceed 30.000. Compared to the number of Muslims worldwide, 1.6 billion, this is really a tiny drop in the ocean. Anyway ISIS cannot be understood without knowing about Iraqi and Middle Eastern history, in particular the past 20-15 years. I personally view that terrorist group, whose leadership is almost entirely made up by former secular Iraqi Ba'athist's, as an attempt of a faction within the Iraqi Sunni Arab demographic group of changing status quo. A status quo that was dramatically changed after the US invasion in 2003.

The leadership behind ISIS, former Ba'athi secularists, knew very well that religion and especially the 1400 year old Sunni-Shia split would be gasoline on the fire. Especially in Iraq of all places. It worked as it has attracted 1000's upon 1000's of non-locals and non-Arabs that have nothing to do with the Iraqi arena and the internal rivalries for power there. Would some French convert, for instance, go to fight for ISIS if they remained secular Ba'athit's? A dead ideology. Of course not.

Why do you not see the same amount of non-locals fighting in say Nigeria, Burma or dozens upon dozens of other conflict zones? It is always the Arab world mostly. Not a coincidence.

Also I am 100% sure that world powers are involved in this mess and probably also regional powers, unfortunately. If the US, Russia or the world for that matter really wanted ISIS gone, they would have been reduced to rumble ages ago. Anyway that is also worthy of a whole thread if not several. If you speak Arabic, I can give you several useful articles, documentaries and testimonies of former ISIS members. A very ugly picture emerges.

I prefer not to say it but the ISIS leadership are obviously not idiots. They know what they are doing. Of course I suspected that this would happen as soon as the Americans invaded. Now they have transformed and their focus is now on attacking not only targets in Iraq but worldwide. Which again gives them more potential supporters. Evident of all the terrorist groups around the world that have joined them after the proclamation of the "Caliphate". Anyway this is the wrong thread and there are other "theories" out there but I prefer my own. So far at least.

They were looking for something else 100 000 years ago like what? please enlighten us?

They were most likely just looking for new pastures as people have done since time immortal. I don't think that they were looking for anything specific. Curiosity could have been the deciding factor for all we know. I mean most of us find the unknown interesting. Case in point being the ancient migration routes of humans, the age of discovery and modern-day space exploration. However there might have been climatic reasons for their migration out of Africa. I don't know/ remember what the current consensus is in this regard.

 

[Hack-Hook]

@Al-Andalus I have no problem with the first out of Africa route be through southern Arabia as the archeological evidence support that my problem is with the in Africa migrate route be through Arabia , mesoptomia then Iran platu and then Anatolia and then Levant and then re introducing into Africa through Sinai as that map suggest

Its an unlikely route , when we talk about 120000 year ago I like to believe that lack of remining is not equal to non existence. What I say is that its more logical that believe the human ancestor at the time that left Africa into Arabia also spreaded into Africa .