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One of the largest concentrations of ancient tombs discovered in KSA from space

Something about this map I can't understand .
why first humans in their migration left Nile river and and instead of going north to Egypt have to pass red sea then Persian gulf then go to India then pass through those mountainous area at the border of India and Pakistan after that travel through mountainous area at north of Iran and then pass through deserts of Iraq and Syria and at the end go to Egypt .
don't you guys like me see the definition of masochism .

Actually earlier theories believed that there were two primary migrations of early humans out of Africa. One crossing into Arabia from Horn of Africa/Eastern Africa through the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait (which was much shorter and much more shallow than it is today) and another crossing into Northern Arabia/Sinai/Israel/Palestine from Egypt and from there on other parts of the world. They had to cross mountainous areas in both Southern and Northern Arabia in both instances.

However now it appears that the first theory is the oldest and that the first people out of Africa crossed into Egypt from neighboring Northern Arabia. Not the other way around.

You should check out all of those links that I posted in post 4.

Anyway since hardly anything (at least very little) of Arabia has been explored by archaeologists, despite its central role in human history, new findings might tell different stories. The same goes for other parts of the world. Anyway the past is interesting indeed but I believe that people of the region need to think more about the future given the current situation. Every educated person knows that we have a great history and past that is rivaled by few areas of the world. However we cannot say the same about our current situation and unlikely our near future.

Speaking about early human migrations this older (2011) article below tells a similar story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2057546/Early-humans-Africa-route-Arabia-Egypt.html
 
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The Arabian Peninsula is the longest inhabited region by humans outside of nearby (or at least not that far away) Eastern Africa so anything else would be strange. Just recently they found 100.000 year old human bones near Tabuk.



See this peer-reviewed article named "The Evolution of Human Populations in Arabia", written by the Oxford professor Michael Petraglia, below.

http://www.academia.edu/471425/The_Evolution_of_Human_Populations_in_Arabia

He is professor of human evolution and prehistory at the University of Oxford’s department of archaeology. He is also the principle investigator for the Palaeodeserts Project, a five-year collaboration between the Saudi Commission for Tourism and Antiquities and University of Oxford which has involved more than 30 scholars from a dozen institutions and seven countries.

Other articles:

http://www.thenational.ae/uae/herit...ands-helped-early-man-make-leap-out-of-africa

http://www.livescience.com/47555-stone-artifacts-human-migration.html

A great documentary:

I thought there was a lot of migration from central asia to India.. the map shows it in opposite direction... may be it happened much later.
 
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I thought there was a lot of migration from central asia to India.. the map shows it in opposite direction... may be it happened much later.
Your thought is correct but the time frame is wrong. The migration from central Asia happened about 5000-3500 years ago in time of modern human but this map talk about much older era its about Neanderthals and older than that.
 
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so... when will the Saudi government destroy it, like they destroyed all Islamic history?
 
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This is more correct:

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Your map doesn't show the crossing over Istanbul into Europe.
 
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so... when will the Saudi government destroy it, like they destroyed all Islamic history?

:lol:

What an enlightening post. Can you please tell us all here what kind of pre-Islamic heritage that has been destroyed since 1932? If you cannot mention an single example of such a thing occurring you have answered your own brilliant question.

Do you realize how dumb you sound when you say "like they destroyed all Islamic history"? Do you realize that no other territory on the planet has as much Islamic heritage as the territory of modern-day KSA as this is the cradle of Islam? You can basically see Islamic heritage everywhere if you know where to look.

Let me guess, you are a Shia and thus you have been brainwashed by your Mullah's to believe that Makkah and Madinah were raised to the ground (lol) when in reality a few mausoleums were removed (not the tombs themselves or graveyards). Mausoleums who were at most only a few centuries old and by no means "original". I guess those few mausoleums equal the entire portfolio of Islamic heritage in the entire world. In your eyes and that of many Shias. At least this is the impression one can get.

Before you turn all red, no I don't agree with such policies (unless it is part of expanding the holy sites in order to serve a greater number of pilgrims and in order to modernize) and since such policies are almost 100 years old (different times and era) I do not see what this has to do with events in 2016. 70 years ago Nazis and Soviets (in the "civilized world" part of the world) were busy killing 100 million people and raising entire cities, countries etc. to the ground and 1000's upon 1000's of churches, monasteries etc.

Locals in Hijaz were against such policies as was everyone not part of the conquering armies back then but the average person could not do anything. Nor today if it was decided to do something similar again. You should educate yourself. Average people in KSA are minding their own business and problems. Also nobody is alive from that period anyway nor do they have anything to do with it. Besides those mausoleums can be rebuilt and they might be that one day when policies change. I would have no problem with it. Next.

I thought there was a lot of migration from central asia to India.. the map shows it in opposite direction... may be it happened much later.

Everyone on the planet, outside of Africa, has ancestors who roamed the Arabian Peninsula for millennia. What you are talking about is an much, much younger migration. Migrations continue to this very day and will continue to occur. Always. However the earliest human migrations out of Africa cannot be changed for obvious reasons.

This is more correct:

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Your map doesn't show the crossing over Istanbul into Europe.

There are different maps out there but the map that you have posted lacks the earliest migration out of Africa which is the migration out of Eastern Africa/Horn of Africa into Southern Arabia through the Bab-el-Mandeb strait which is the earliest migration of this kind. Your map only shows the Northern Arabian route.

As for Europe, if my memory serves me right, there were two distinct routes. One from Anatolia (Eastern route) after migrating from Arabia into neighboring Sham and from there on neighboring Anatolia and the "Western route" that went along the Maghreb and into neighboring Iberia (Spain and Portugal) and from there on other parts of Western Europe.
 
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Honestly there are so many route that early human could have used to go out of Africa and saying one is correct and the rest are not is a little absurd specially with so little evidence we have on the matter (some bone here some bone there .. And that's all) I believe early human used all those possible route .

https://www.google.com/search?q=human+migration+out+of+africa&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC3ZmR08POAhUiLcAKHVspAawQsAQIEw

By the way did you knew not all humans share the same amount of genes from proto humans and people of Oceania and Melanesia has far larger amount of genes from Denisovan than other humans so you can't completely rule out the theory that early humans not only developed in Africa but also at least to some extent in other regions .
 
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Honestly there are so many route that early human could have used to go out of Africa and saying one is correct and the rest are not is a little absurd specially with so little evidence we have on the matter (some bone here some bone there .. And that's all) I believe early human used all those possible route .

https://www.google.com/search?q=human+migration+out+of+africa&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC3ZmR08POAhUiLcAKHVspAawQsAQIEw

By the way did you knew not all humans share the same amount of genes from proto humans and people of Oceania and Melanesia has far larger amount of genes from Denisovan than other humans so you can't completely rule out the theory that early humans not only developed in Africa but also at least to some extent in other regions .

We already know (it has been proven numerous of times and there is plenty of evidence whether anthropological or genetic) that all out-of-Africa migrations crossed (and lived in) the Arabian Peninsula before venturing out to other regions of the world. They (our ancestors) crossed both Southern Arabia and Northern Arabia. There is no doubt about that. No more doubt than the fact that the first Homo Sapiens evolved in modern-day Africa.

Ironically all your maps on your link show the same thing.

Besides this deals with Homo Sapiens not extinct species of hominid. They are not described here and to be honest with you I do not care about them much as we (Arabs) have no DNA from them expect for Neanderthals which we share with neighboring European populations but that only goes for certain areas of the Arab world/ME. Only half of Arabia (Northern) for instance.
 
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By the way did you knew not all humans share the same amount of genes from proto humans and people of Oceania and Melanesia has far larger amount of genes from Denisovan than other humans so you can't completely rule out the theory that early humans not only developed in Africa but also at least to some extent in other regions .

Most groups of early humans had sex with other hominids and produced less-than-pure homo sapiens like the people around you. You know, as an Iranian you would have some Neanderthal blood in you!

I think the purest homo sapiens would be the Andamanese islanders. An isolated group that populated these islands as part of the 'great coastal migration' (earliest wave out of Africa).
 
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Most groups of early humans had sex with other hominids and produced less-than-pure homo sapiens like the people around you. You know, as an Iranian you would have some Neanderthal blood in you!

I think the purest homo sapiens would be the Andamanese islanders. An isolated group that populated these islands as part of the 'great coastal migration' (earliest wave out of Africa).
There is no doubt majority of humans have some percents of Neanderthals genom with them . you knew those genes are responsible for some of the disease like allergy
 
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There is no doubt majority of humans have some percents of Neanderthals genom with them . you knew those genes are responsible for some of the disease like allergy

Certain hereditary ailments, yes. But also the variation in phenotype, enriching the human genome. There are pros are cons. :)
 
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We already knowvariatioi been proven numerous of times and there is plenty of evidence whether anthropological or genetic) that all out-of-Africa migrations crossed (and lived in) the Arabian Peninsula before venturing out to other regions of the world. They (our ancestors) crossed both Southern Arabia and Northern Arabia. There is no doubt about that. No more doubt than the fact that the first Homo Sapiens evolved in modern-day Africa.

Ironically all your maps on your link show the same thing.

Besides this deals with Homo Sapiens not extinct species of hominid. They are not described here and to be honest with you I do not care about them much as we (Arabs) have no DNA from them expect for Neanderthals which we share with neighboring European populations but that only goes for certain areas of the Arab world/ME. Only half of Arabia (Northern) for instance.
You knew all human have some gene from Neanderthals and there is no way around it. About others extinct variation well we can find traces of their venom by different degree of prominence in modern human so we can't rule out their role in developments of today humans . and well the study that shows the southern Arabia is only route are not proving that the migration through the Nile valley and northern Arabia route was not used and there are many evidence that such route also have been used and more importantly these studies also based on the shape of the tools or some genetic data from some rare material that reached us from that period .and can't prove anything by 100% accuracy.
 
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I don't know where in the Qur'an it says don't go digging for ruins of the past. Actually it says the opposite lol.
I know for a fact that the reason is "religious" people and not the "religion" since a lot of these artifacts are human figures Or contain human/none Islamic drawings or patterns and I had the pleasure of seeing some of them before they were put back in crates and stored in God knows where.
If these were shown in a Museum today, I guarantee you that some religious nutjobs would burn the whole museum down with people inside.
We are not ready.

Just asking , you mean you don't have any museum to show your heritage ?
 
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You knew all human have some gene from Neanderthals and there is no way around it. About others extinct variation well we can find traces of their venom by different degree of prominence in modern human so we can't rule out their role in developments of today humans . and well the study that shows the southern Arabia is only route are not proving that the migration through the Nile valley and northern Arabia route was not used and there are many evidence that such route also have been used and more importantly these studies also based on the shape of the tools or some genetic data from some rare material that reached us from that period .and can't prove anything by 100% accuracy.

Actually native Africans do not have any Neanderthal genome. Nor everyone outside of Africa either. Although apparently most have at least a small degree of it. Denisovan genome is absent in West Asians, Europeans, Africans etc. but found in South Asian, South East Asian and East Asian populations.

I believe that you have not read my posts. Nowhere did I write that the Northern Arabian route was not used. I wrote the opposite in fact. I just told that according to the most recent data the Southern Arabian route (migration) was used earlier. That is all. I posted plenty of sources that show this.

Speaking about Neanderthals, this article is from 2016.

"In contrast, Western Eurasians are the non-Africans least likely to have Neanderthal or Denisovan genes. "The interactions between modern humans and archaic humans are complex and perhaps involved multiple events," Reich says."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-03-world-neanderthal-denisovan-ancestry-modern.html#jCp

Speaking about Neanderthal DNA in modern-day humans:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8671643.stm

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

Just asking , you mean you don't have any museum to show your heritage ?


There are museums in almost every city of a sizable size. His post rather described the type of person in KSA and elsewhere in the Muslim world that considers anything pre-Islamic as something "evil" and useless. He told that the biggest radicals among them might burn down museums but honestly I have never heard anything remotely similar occurring in KSA. However I do know people who know nothing about the pre-Islamic heritage and history of KSA, Arabia the Arab world AND little (or only specifics) of Islamic history itself. It is exactly such kind of people who might be brainwashed to do something stupid.
 
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