On Arab indifference toward the Peshawar massacre

[KingMamba]

You are just a plain dumb EGGyptian "muhendis" or "duktoor" as far as I'm concerned. I learnt long time ago not to waste my time on you guys. I'm having a convo here with two Arabs who have brains, namely MOSA and HASANI. Now go back and have a debate with your own geographical genepool. God wasn't very kind with you people, as he didn't create all equal.

You are talking to an Egyptian, a nation full of hijras who were insulting Pakistanis while Pakistanis were supporting their uprising only to then throw themselves under the foot of another dictator. What did you really expect?

Buddy till Modi is a PM, you can hope to resolve problems with India. Because his ideology sees the subcontinent as a one co-operation and power. He has no problem with the Muslims, he has problem with those who use terms like Muslims, Hindus, etc to differentiate.

Because he is there ISIL has not targeted the subcontinent with major operations other wise , you would have been already facing this problem Balochistan. The balance of power is must to counter them. Because those people see us as southasian and not Hindu or Muslims.

Oh yes why didn't we see it before, Nepali thanks for opening our eyes. Modi is a saint.

 

[Frogman]

You are talking to an Egyptian, a nation full of hijras who were insulting Pakistanis while Pakistanis were supporting their uprising only to then throw themselves under the foot of another dictator. What did you really expect?

Three expats in North America may have insulted Pakistan, yet you now insult an entire nation. Never mind. Btw next time keep your support to yourselves we don't need it or want it nor does it make any difference.

 

[Pakistani patriot]

@Mosamania



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This dicussion here on the thread has not changed even an iota of the impression I have of Saudi hospitality and friendship. I still have regard for the people I interacted with.
The discussions are good to see larger picture, understand geoplotical aspects and aftermaths of events, staying up to date on news around the world and noting perception of locals, but not good for forming or altering personal opinions, you should still cherish your good memories!
God bless you!

Great post dude. What I'm observing on PDF from this and other similar threads is that there's a small minority of individuals who have some axe to grind (this is a very small minority btw but extremely vocal) against certain things.

These people are more confused than let's say your average Pakistani. This particular group is ranting against what they consider backward influences in society but really are un-knowing or deliberately oblivious to the bigger picture. This is the bigger picture,the game being played(not by Arabs):

Btw I'm glad that despite living in the West, your opinions are logical and not similar to some of these people. They can't locate the issues at hand.

PDF has become a mire of nationalists, sectarian and outright racist members who do not miss a chance to further their goals through anything.

I had hoped that this tragedy would bring us together, would unite us at one cause. But instead we chose to point fingers at one another, I consider Pakistani people to be as much my people as Saudi people can be, I grew up with them, had many friends from there and still do, and care about Pakistan as much as I do my own nation.

Dude, this vocal minority is confused itself. Don't take their viewpoints to heart just like I said to another Arab member here. They just don't know. Knowledge of geo-politics is not their forte. They have absolutely no idea what kind of games are being played behind the scenes and that Arabs are as much victims as Pakistanis or other muslims. I hope that you don't take this minority's view to heart. Trust me.
United we stand, divided we fall.
And make sure that you report the racists, mods don't read every post most likely so it's better to report.

 

[Screambowl]

Oh yes why didn't we see it before, Nepali thanks for opening our eyes. Modi is a saint.

Indeed he is a saint, who left his home and went to caves.

 

[Rain]

Ironic:
As someone aptly said " Arab public opinion has not changes since the birth of Islam" I will say it is unchanged since thousands of years.
Instead of coming up with some positive feedback from Arab World, The arabs on this forum started to accuse Pakistanise for tragedy, yes we all know its Pakistanise who did it and it Pakistan fault. But deliberately targeting children is seems immaterial to Arabs. they are so cold blooded, i never knew before.
Thanks to the blood of innocent kids who open our eyes to it is first time we see who is human and friend of Pakistanise.

Let end our Romance with Arab world, let enjoy their bloodshed by Israel henceforth.
Hindus of India, Christians of world are far better then those Arabs.

 

[Mosamania]

Ironic:
As someone aptly said " Arab public opinion has not changes since the birth of Islam" I will say it is unchanged since thousands of years.
Instead of coming up with some positive feedback from Arab World, The arabs on this forum started to accuse Pakistanise for tragedy, yes we all know its Pakistanise who did it and it Pakistan fault. But deliberately targeting children is seems immaterial to Arabs. they are so cold blooded pigs i never knew before.
Thanks to the blood of innocent kids who open our eyes to it is first time we see who is human and friend of Pakistanise.

Let end our Romance with Arab world, let enjoy their bloodshed by Israel henceforth.
Hindus of India, Christians of world are far better then those Pigs called Arabs.

Really not helping here.

 

[Pakistani patriot]

The tragedy is very recent. Why are threads like this even allowed right now?
This thread would not have rational debate of any sort.
We can have it after a month or so if people want.

 

[Gunsnroses]

Ironic:
As someone aptly said " Arab public opinion has not changes since the birth of Islam" I will say it is unchanged since thousands of years.
Instead of coming up with some positive feedback from Arab World, The arabs on this forum started to accuse Pakistanise for tragedy, yes we all know its Pakistanise who did it and it Pakistan fault. But deliberately targeting children is seems immaterial to Arabs. they are so cold blooded pigs i never knew before.
Thanks to the blood of innocent kids who open our eyes to it is first time we see who is human and friend of Pakistanise.

Let end our Romance with Arab world, let enjoy their bloodshed by Israel henceforth.
Hindus of India, Christians of world are far better then those Pigs called Arabs.

Please refrain from swearing and delete it.

 

[Judge]

Did we do that because we were offended or did we do it for Arabs? Anyway they shouldn't have protested. What for some stupid YouTube video/or a cartoon that hardly anyone knew about until the western media brought it to our attention? This is what they wanted us to do protest, burn effigies, or maybe the icing on the cake kill someone over a video/cartoon. "Look world. Look how barbaric and senseless these Muslims are", and we Pakistanis so easily fell right into their trap. We Pakistanis have enough problems of our own. Let’s protest about that, rather than something we have no control over nor does the world care about our opinion at our current state.

It wasn't a trap. There is no overarching trap in the World to lure gullible Muslims into. It was your and/or your own countrymen's stupidity.
The rest of the world surely however reserves the right to pass their judgment and form opinions on Muslims based on their actions.

What you just did and are doing is trying to the blame the 'others' ie the West or xyz indirectly as opposed to the direct route chosen by the Islamists.

That i believe is a very fair analysis.

If I may add, at this time of grief, what has poured oil on fire is a little irresponsible behavior on Arab member's part
and a realization from Pakistanis that they need not have believed the Pan Islamic pipe dream and have been betrayed
by religious leaders.

The part that I find amusing and that you and other Pakistanis will probably not is - that these statements from Pakistanis that "they need not have believed in the pan Islamic pipe dream" and other disenchanted statements to the same effect come with surprising regularity half a dozen times each year.

And they are forgotten exactly a week after they are said and Pakistanis go back to adoring and looking up to the Arabs and start imagining that every Muslim country in the globe waiting to adore Pakistan because Pakistan is Islamic....till the next irritant in this wonderful dream comes along.

 

[SipahSalar]

3) Arabs are some of the most religious Muslims and the biggest Muslim ethnic group out there (by far)

No, south asians make the majority. 180 million pakistanis + 170 million indians +150million bengalis. The ethnic difference between these populations is as much as between a syrian and yemeni.

10) Pakistanis that live in the Arab world, live off of our resources, lands, people, opportunities (that are not provided in Pakistan in the same manner) should quit insulting Arabs if they have any shame left. If they hate Arabs so much I am sure that some Arabs can pay for their tickets back home. This goes for all foreigners.

Is this post aimed at my post above or what?

You do realize that the vast, vast majority of Pakistanis in the GCC are lowly skilled workers right? Not that there is anything wrong with that but that's the reality. The notion of you "building" half of the Arab world is a false nonsense narrative that reeks of racism that you yourself complain so much about when ME people are discussed.

That's not the point. Pakistanis who willingly moved to Arab countries and who earn their living in Arab lands thanks to Arabs should be grateful and if they hate Arabs they should not be hypocrites but leave immediately. But as with so much else here in life money decides everything. I was specifically referring to those users based in Arab countries here on PDF that were insulting the common Arab man or woman.

Don't tell me that most of your compatriots would not have the same view if Afghans based in Pakistan were insulting the common Pakistani man and woman or being ungrateful. In fact I have seen hundreds of posts from Pakistani users complaining about how ungrateful Afghans are for badmouthing Pakistan all the time while you host so many of them and have helped them. I agree with this sentiment so there is no hypocrisy from my part.

It's similar in the West too. Locals rightly expect foreigners to remain loyal, respect them and contribute to the society. If this is done 99,9% of the people will not bother you. Regardless of you being "brown" or Muslim.

Of course it is now up to you whether you want to make a troll post as a reply or actually counter my argument as a person your age would do.

Why do you think arabs are doing Pakistan a favor by having Pakistanis in their land. They NEED them. And its not just low skilled labor, thats just twisting facts. There are doctors, engineers and architects among many things. A country that can't do "low skilled" labor, do you expect them to do the more complicated jobs? I know for a fact that many arabs that are given a job, they hire a Pakistani to do that job for them at 1/3rd or usually even lesser percentage of their pay.

Pakistanis working in Arab countries are a mixture of skilled and non skilled both.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Then its time to shape up. Forget about Arabs. Look how apathetic and even disrespectful some Arab members (especially Mosamania) has been to this tragic event.

Anyway, my deepest condolences to Pakistan and all the families of the deceased ones. I hope you recover well.

Ain't gonna happen as of now.
It is not Arabs or Persians for that matter that we need to forget or to remember.
It is the useless dream of Umma and political Islam, the promises of Khilafa that we need to forget forever.

We need to step away from religion, and away from the Arab Vs Ajam proxy war.
Seal our western border, and do not let people though without visa and registration.

As for my little boys
@al-Hasani is my little boy, whose ears I can pull as necessary
@Mosamania is a civilian

@Arabian Legend is missing these days for a reason I do not know.

Is this post aimed at my post above or what?

You do realize that the vast, vast majority of Pakistanis in the GCC are lowly skilled workers right? Not that there is anything wrong with that but that's the reality. The notion of you "building" half of the Arab world is a false nonsense narrative that reeks of racism that you yourself complain so much about when ME people are discussed.

That's not the point. Pakistanis who willingly moved to Arab countries and who earn their living in Arab lands thanks to Arabs should be grateful and if they hate Arabs they should not be hypocrites but leave immediately. But as with so much else here in life money decides everything. I was specifically referring to those users based in Arab countries here on PDF that were insulting the common Arab man or woman.

Don't tell me that most of your compatriots would not have the same view if Afghans based in Pakistan were insulting the common Pakistani man and woman or being ungrateful. In fact I have seen hundreds of posts from Pakistani users complaining about how ungrateful Afghans are for badmouthing Pakistan all the time while you host so many of them and have helped them. I agree with this sentiment so there is no hypocrisy from my part.

It's similar in the West too. Locals rightly expect foreigners to remain loyal, respect them and contribute to the society. If this is done 99,9% of the people will not bother you. Regardless of you being "brown" or Muslim.

Of course it is now up to you whether you want to make a troll post as a reply or actually counter my argument as a person your age would do.

Let me correct you little one.

When you come back from Denmark start counting

Who built the airport ?
Who built the road from your airport to your home
Who built your home ?
Who built the electricity system to your home ?
Who maintains your car that your ride to your home ?
Who provides, plumbing, electrician etc services in the home you live in ?
Who drills for oil ?
Who installed and keep running this telecom infrastructure that you use to post replies ?

Then come back and answer.

The people who did that, do not call for fancy stuff, but please give them credit for what they do.

and ask yourself the question, Do you talk to them the same as you talked to people in Denmark ?

 

[SipahSalar]

What I want to know from Pakistanis is why you give so much hoot about these Arabs in the gulf and take their side against Iran in certain matters?
Even when Iran was building the gas pipeline and offered support for your energy needs, that idiot Nawaz Sharif (saudi lapdog) cancelled the project.
You cancelled a huge project that would have been the benefit of both Iran and Pakistan (and a major game changer), for the sake of Arabs, whom are completely apathetic to your suffering (as can be seen in this thread).

Pakistan will NEVER work against Iran. It's just that Irani people like to imagine Pakistan is working against them.
The pipeline is not dead but is very risky for Pakistan. You have to understand that Pakistan is a poor developing country, we don't have billions of spare dollars lying around. There is a huge risk of Pakistan being sanctioned if it continues to work on the pipeline and we can not afford to lose a major investment. Iran of all countries should know the economic impact of sanctions, even Iran is working with west towards ending the sanctions. And i hope it works out so we can move on with the pipeline.

 

[beast89]

that's really unfair. Palestinians have their own problems. Furthermore its the KSA that spread their toxic idea and have directly wrecking pakistan's stability.

 

[beast89]

The tragedy is very recent. Why are threads like this even allowed right now?
This thread would not have rational debate of any sort.
We can have it after a month or so if people want.

why because it shows the true face of KSA to pakistanis and that upsets you. the arrogance and the racism that permeates through saudi users such as juba, arabian legend and al hasani is just a true reflection of saudi royal's and elites view pakistan. The only good saudi user was tyrant.

 

[ozzy22]

It wasn't a trap. There is no overarching trap in the World to lure gullible Muslims into. It was your and/or your own countrymen's stupidity.
The rest of the world surely however reserves the right to pass their judgment and form opinions on Muslims based on their actions.

I was talking about the reaction the media wanted from us Muslims and how we fell right for it. Is this a conspiracy on my part or do most media act this way and I wasn't even blaming the media but more our reaction.