If you say so. I am sure you have superior knowledge. And I have wasted all my life in the West, never learning a thing. Do you know how many technical and professional qualifications I have!!
When they pull something other than what they did, i will comment on that. As much as this incident is concerned, there had been literally hundreds of loopholes which impossible to plug for the Yanks.
Nobody ever said that Chinook were "stealth". They landed in Kaala Dacca and stayed there anything close to 1 hour. All the local seen them, but Pakistani army was incapable to see them!!
Ok, the attack helicopters were stealth, we can understand on the way, coming in they evaded radar, detection whatever you wanna say. But what happened after operation started. Even Pakistani journalists were aware within mins.
45 mins in operation, plus another 1 hour to flight back to Afghanistan, PAF and army was sleeping!!
And then there is massive smoking gun, the "destroyed" helicopter. Have you seen the wreckage in the compound!!
Any one can came out of such accident!! Even if they did, how did they boarded the remaining one helicopter with a dead body, which takes space of 3 people!!
Yes, i know nothing. But you certainly know all the art and crafts of the Americans. I stand corrected, thank you.
Sir,
I am not questioning your personal credentials (or that of anybody). However, how many are privy to American Military Industrial Complex and classified American military projects? What WE understand at a personal level, will never be enough.
There are no loopholes in American accounts (Governmental + Military); ignoring journalist spins to it. Pakistan's own Abbottabad Commission Report have similar findings - consistent with American accounts (Governmental + Military) but it also digs much deeper into Pakistani context, issues, and limitations in relation.
Our own are unfortunately giving unusual spins to the event without even bothering to study what happened - many do not know
which sources to consider in this. They are being misled by journalist accounts and word-of-mouth narratives. I can provide you links of
content which should be studied.
Every helicopter they used in this operation was designed to evade radar detection (and more). If somebody saw one, how the hell he would know? Human senses do not function in the Electronic Warfare spectrum (just visual).
And I am sure that not many people are trotting out there in country terrain in midnight, so do not bother with these claims. There weren't many eye-witnesses to movements of American helicopters
until two of them reached the suspect Abbottabad compound and American special forces commenced their activities (exchange of fire and explosions in the compound). The first one crashed in the compound due to:
"Many of the basics of the operation are well established at this point. Famously, two heavily modified stealthy Black Hawk helicopters were first to arrive at the compound and inserted the main raiding force. One of these helicopters subsequently crashed after experiencing a condition known as vortex ring state. Englen says the ambient temperature was hotter than expected, which can also impact a helicopter's available lift, and the stealth Black Hawk had more fuel and personnel on board than initially planned, all contributing to the accident." - JOSEPH TREVITHICK
Now, nobody is expecting a foreign military to be operating so deep inside Pakistan. Those who saw something would be thinking - Pakistan Army is up to something. At most, Police will show up due to sounds of explosions and such.
Military movements are contingent on
what radar systems are telling them. If radar systems are not telling them much and they are alerted to unsual activity, they will dispatch a team to investigate the relevant hotspot.
However, do you think that Americans were waiting for Pakistani responders to the scene and take selfies with them? They were supposed to do their job and get out ASAP. The massive explosion in the compound (people continue to allude to) was about 40 minutes into operation [Americans blew up the fallen helicopter] and boarded the remaining article to leave. It was this blast that drew far more attention but it will take some time for security forces to do something about it.
Two PAF jets were eventually scrambled to search for suspect helicopters (now 3 in total) and two of these reached Afghanistan without much difficulty. The account in question in this discourse is of the helicopter which had a close call with one of the PAF F-16s while attempting to reach Afghanistan. And the pilot have blurted out that EW is a thing and it makes difference.
Scores of members have issued juvenile responses in relation. This show how many are privy to the event in question (almost NIL), and I am surprised at a general lack of understanding of how military works. Only one member
@Socra (very intelligent guy) was willing to look at things through
scientific lens. I am surprised, and I am not even in the army (just tech-savvy to a limited extent via my own IT literacy). Mujhay samaj aa gai baat leikin mujh sey ziada samajdaar logg kuyun nahin samaj pai.
So this thread in itself show HOW much the
nation understand this matter, and WHY we were unable to stop Americans deep inside. WE are like helicopter
yeh helicopter
woh -
they suck. Sorry brother, expect many more surprises in the future with this kind of mentality (God forbid). I rest my case, brother.
EDIT: WE need to
learn to look at things through
scientific lens on a national level, and NOT through
political lens like always which is an unfortunate habit of ours. I will expand on this part soon to the benefit of all. This is very important consideration.