Obama offers Pakistan enhanced partnership

[Abu Zolfiqar]

US troops in Afghanistan are very friendly to TTP and vice versa.
TTP only act in Pakistan and only against Pakistani interest and inline with Indo-US interest.
If US is serious about TTP than what is the point in arming and financing the same menace.
Further more all training facilities of TTP are being run by indian army inside Afghanistan. Why not dismantel those facilities.
There is lot more of terror apparatus comming in to Pakistan from Afghansitan, therefore cutting the supply and finace lines of TTP will help more.
Sending Pakistani troops on sucide mission while they don't even have night vision googles or transport helicopters is shere madness.
US military assistance is just a trap to consume Pakistan soldiers against a highly paid, motivated and generously equiped army.

I am just a civilian, not in charge of Pakistan or counter-insurgency operations.

But I would support limited military operations across the border in Afghanistan. We need to also send UAVs across the border in order to monitor people movement. Anybody seen carrying arms near the border of any type should be reported. (of course, easier said than done)

trucks entering from or leaving for Afghanistan should be even more thoroughly searched.

We should cooperate with the U.S. -- but there is obviously a difference in opinion and objectives (i think trust deficit is a harsh word). Sometimes they say one thing, then revert to other things ("do more, do more do more").

I would like to see China play a more pro-active and constructive role in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is in dire need of evenly spread social and economic development. The war/drug lord culture and evil heroin business should also be crushed, the way it was in 1990s. China has the resources, the manpower (which we can also provide), and the proximity to go on massive initiative for construction of news schools, highways, bridges, hospitals etc.

These are exactly what war-torn Afghanistan needs. Give people some joy and ray of hope in an otherwise dismal and sad country.

 

[BATMAN]

Yes but without backup support i would not encourage such operation.
If any such operation ever carried out should be guided and filmed by drone.

 

[Solomon2]

Our courts are competent, and free. We don't need foreign advice on how to run our investigations.

No, you don't. That just makes it worse.

They sent us printed transcripts of the telephone record between terrorist and handler (but not the actual tapes).

Didn't the CIA tell Pakistan that the transcripts were authentic?

and moreover, they were sending us dossier(s) in Marathi language which we dont even bloody understand!

Hire translators. We have such problems in the U.S., too...

I will need you to post proof of this claim.

Yes, sir:
1) Villagers confirm surviving Mumbai killer is Pakistani
2)

An exasperated local police chief, Kamran Khan, who sent his men twice to Faridkot (the one outside Kanewal), told McClatchy: "Whatever we're doing to investigate, we're doing off our own initiative. No definitive information has come to us from any official channel- "

3)

One local police commander, seeing journalists arrive, rushed over and proclaimed that Mr. Saeed was confined inside his home, banned from going outside now or at any other time.Almost on cue, Mr. Saeed emerged moments later from the mosque across the street

was Timothy...What about...tell me about...

These are all distractions, and answering them won't help Pakistan or its image in the least.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

U.S. officials don't suffer from the same trust deficit that Pakistani

Hats off for Solomon2 , Not as beauitifully pointed though

 

[Solomon2]

Oh but you conveniently ignored the part where I pointed out that Pakistan was the entire time taking the initiative to calm things down -

As most of the world saw it, Pakistan was calling for delay, rather than seeing Mumbai as an urgent matter to pro-actively investigate itself - as the local Pakistani police were indeed doing, but the GoP did NOT tell this to the world. That smacks of either deception or incompetence. In absence of any admission of the latter, people are left suspecting the former.

If you are referring to this comment...That isn't 'lashing out at you', I am more or less paraphrasing your position.

What I read in this is that it is important for you to believe that all the things you listed are true or evil or else you would feel compelled to believe that 'The West is superior to you Pakistanis' - your words, not mine. Some of Pakistan's diplomats and journalists have freed themselves from neurosis by accepting that this is possible. Why not you? Why do you and so many of your countrymen react, when evidence is presented of poor Pakistani behavior, by citing the real or imagined failures of others, rather than dealing with Pakistan's own faults squarely?

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

US forces have comited a Open Genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan ... No one can deny that . Heres something for you Solomon2

YouTube - TheParadigmShift's Channel

 

[Solomon2]

Mr. Cyanogen (did I get the chemistry right?) offers an excellent example of such: a thrown-out accusation that I can either take my time to deny, or ignore and let it appear (because it is unchallanged) true. Yet it is off the subject of the post, so why not ignore such distractions entirely?

 

[BATMAN]

Hire translators. We have such problems in the U.S., too...

Hire translator of what? mirathi??? are you serious?
Where can we find certified mirathi translators on urgent basis?

As most of the world saw it, Pakistan was calling for delay, rather than seeing Mumbai as an urgent matter to pro-actively investigate itself

Sending Dossier in English may have helped.

It is clear that mumbai event was a staged drama and delay was created by indians in sending dossier which they only managed to prepare after reading Pakistan analyst reprots.

In any case who ever has read the dossier and counter Pakistani arguments, clearly under stand the missing links.
Why indians refused Pakistani request of access to investigate and access to evidence.
As far as Pakistan govt. was concerned very next day rehman malik announced to punish ISI officers for this, later they agreed to handin the cheif of ISI to indian security.
Hell........Pakistan even helped you to prepare presentable dossier against them self.
Pak asks India to avoid DNA-report goof ups
Please, cut the crap that Pakistan was not serious or was responsible for the delay in translating the dossier.

 

[Seadog1]

US forces have comited a Open Genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan ... No one can deny that . Heres something for you Solomon2

YouTube - TheParadigmShift's Channel

If the USA was committing genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan, there would not be any one left alive...if you want to see genocide take a look at the thousands of dead women and children Saddam gassed, the hundreds of mass graves in Iraq....deaths that arab countries could have prevented if they had more back bone then a jelly fish.

 

[Omar1984]

Its true that US cant succeed in Afghanistan without Pakistan. The only reason why the Soviets were defeated in Afghanistan is because of Pakistan. If Pakistan didn't help US and Afghanistan kick out the Soviets, today Afghanistan would be part of the Soviet Union and Soviet Union would've been the most powerful and wealthiest nation on earth.

Its time US starts making Pro-Pakistan policies and they can start by kicking the Indians out of Afghanistan, anti-americanism will be changed to Pro-Americanism in Pakistan if US starts making Pro-Pakistan policies and understands Pakistan. The worst thing for Pakistan is to be surrounded by India near both the eastern and western borders.

 

[BATMAN]

If the USA was committing genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan, there would not be any one left alive...if you want to see genocide take a look at the thousands of dead women and children Saddam gassed, the hundreds of mass graves in Iraq....deaths that arab countries could have prevented if they had more back bone then a jelly fish.

Normally i hate pink urdu because its difficult to read but now i can best describe your post only in urdu 'sadkay jawan teray logic to'

 

[graphican]

Pakistan often misuses US aid against India and America knows that..but still america wants to cooperate with pakistan by sending more aid in its war against TTP...that's a clear cut American game....use Pakistan as long as they are needed....and when they are of no use..throw them in dustbin...usual American use and throw policy

True and they are actually "offering cooperation" going against their plans. They have to strengthen India to cope China and a stronger Pakistan is not in their favor because of two reasons.

1 - In any conflict between India and China, Pakistan will be Allies of China and Stronger Pakistan will mean more threat for India then they actually want to see.
2 - In any conflict between India and Pakistan, a stronger Pakistan will hurt India more and it will take USA longer to stuff it back and make it potent for China.

Pakistan is a used product for them. We do not fit in their planes until unless we become threat for China and Friend with India and you will see whole western $hit is attempting to soften our differences, if not resolve. USA is looking to offer Pakistan "one bite" of cake and quickly wind up whole "cooperation" as soon Pakistan does job for them in Afghanistan.

 

[MilesTogo]

Normally i hate pink urdu because its difficult to read but now i can best describe your post only in urdu 'sadkay jawan teray logic to'

I have heard this logic before on this forum like Muslims could have forcefully converted everyone in India and Spain under their rule but they didn't. It is a nice logic though.

 

[Machoman]

Just give us few of these and we will be happy.

F-22
F-35
Cobra
Apache
F-16
F-18
A-10

I think we will be good for a while then.hahaha

 

[EjazR]

PTI's take on the part of the report that impacts India

The Hindu : News / International : Obama pushes Pak to deliver, warns against using militants for strategy
In a stern message to Pakistan, the United States has asked it to shed its policy of “using insurgents” like LeT as a strategic tool and warned that if it cannot deliver against terrorists, the US may be impelled to use “any means” at its disposal.

The message, which has been conveyed in a letter from US President Barack Obama to his Pakistani counterpart Asif Ali Zardari, also includes an offer by him to try to “reduce tensions” between India and Pakistan, media reported here.

The two-page letter, hand-delivered by National Security Adviser General (retd) James Jones when he visited Islamabad early this month, offers Pakistan enhancement of strategic partnership if they act as wished by the US, besides additional military and economic aid.

In his letter, Obama has also warned Pakistan that its use of insurgent groups for policy goals “cannot continue” and called for closer collaboration against all extremist groups.

He named five such groups: Al—Qaeda, the Afghan Taliban, the Haqqani network, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and Tehrik-e-Taliban.

“Using vague diplomatic language, he said that ambiguity in Pakistan’s relationship with any of them could no longer be ignored,” the Washington Post reported.

Jones did some straight-talking with the top Pakistani leadership, the daily said. “If Pakistan cannot deliver, he warned, the US may be impelled to use any means at its disposal to rout insurgents based along Pakistan’s western and southern borders with Afghanistan.”

The Post said US officials have long referred to Pakistani military and intelligence officers who are sympathetic to or actively support insurgent groups fighting in Afghanistan as “rogue elements“.

More recently, they have described those relationships as more direct and institutional within a divided military.

“For the things that we care about,” a US official was quoted as saying, “the real decision-maker is the military.

“It has long been hedging its bets in Afghanistan; the military has positioned itself to prevent inroads by India in the event of a US withdrawal, and against a 30-year history of being used and then rejected by shifting US policy aims,” it said.