What's new

Obama is bluffing on Iran

longbrained

SENIOR MEMBER
Joined
Mar 28, 2011
Messages
3,390
Reaction score
0
Asia's Experience Probably Means US is bluffing on Iran

Written by David J. Karl

barack-obama-in-a-stern-stance.jpg



Obama uses the same language a series of presidents have used on North Korea


United States President Barack Obama is now talking tough with Iran, insisting that he is prepared, if necessary, to use military force to stop the country’s atomic ambitions. But if history is any guide, he is more likely to acquiescence to a nuclear-armed Iran.

Indeed, the rhetoric issuing from Washington nowadays is nearly a verbatim copy of the words Obama’s predecessors directed at North Korea. And we all know how well that turned out.

Consider, for example, the Clinton administration’s declarations on Pyongyang’s proliferation. In late 1993, President Clinton signaled US willingness to thwart North Korea’s nuclear activities by means of war, stating that it “cannot be allowed to develop a nuclear bomb.” His defense secretary shortly thereafter termed the president’s statement an “ultimatum,” adding “we will not let the North Koreans become a nuclear power….nuclear weapons in the hands of North Korea is not acceptable.”

George W. Bush, who framed the invasion of Iraq as an act of counter-proliferation, took a similar hard line toward Pyongyang. He declared categorically in May 2003 that “we will not tolerate nuclear weapons in North Korea.”

Like today, loose talk of military strikes filled the air but the lack of viable options ultimately stayed his hand. When Pyongyang finally did explode a nuclear device in the fall of 2006, he could only repeat that the existence of its arsenal was “unacceptable.”

As the depressing track record with North Korea demonstrates, it is exceedingly difficult to stop a rogue regime determined to develop nuclear capabilities, especially if it located in a strategic part of the world, has powerful patrons, and is able to inflict retribution on important U.S. interests in the region.

Still, this has not kept Obama from borrowing freely from the vocabulary used by Clinton and Bush. In his first press conference as president-elect, he declared that “Iran’s development of a nuclear weapon, I believe, is unacceptable.” In his State of the Union address two months ago, he vowed that “America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal.”

In a media interview the other week, he underscored that he is not bluffing when it comes to the possible use of military force and that “when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say.” And he punctuated this point in a forceful address to the American Israel Political Action Committee, an influential lobbying group in Washington, stressing that “when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say.”v Yet the Obama administration’s threat to pick up the cudgel of military action has always an air of unreality. After all, a president determined to wind down George Bush’s wars in the Greater Middle East is quite unlikely to initiate a third one. Ditto for the politician seeking re-election who justifies large-scale troop withdrawals from Afghanistan by declaring that “it’s time to focus on nation-building here at home.” And not to mention the commander-in-chief who unveils the Pentagon’s new strategic guidance by announcing that “the tide of war is receding.”

Nor has it escaped notice in Tehran and elsewhere that for all of the tough-minded rhetoric, Mr. Obama was most reluctant to impose painful economic sanctions on Iran in the first place.

Noteworthy, too, is how the Pentagon leadership is pouring cold water on the military option. Before his retirement last year, Defense Secretary Robert Gates acknowledged that the U.S. armed forces are “exhausted” and pointedly cautioned against launching any new conflicts in the Middle East.

Gates’ successor, Leon Panetta, has warned that a military strike would have “unintended consequences,” touching off global economic instability and broader military hostilities. And the new chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff cautions against attacking Tehran and argues that the Iranian regime is a “rational actor,” suggesting that a nuclear-armed Tehran could be deterred from engaging in provocative actions.

Critics charge that Obama’s recent pronouncements are merely election-year palaver. But it is also important to recognize that he is following a rhetorical playbook laid out by his predecessors. Chances are, he will be no more successful in dealing with a Tehran determined to possess nuclear weapons than they were with Pyongyang.

(David J. Karl is president of the Asia Strategy Initiative, an analysis and advisory firm in Los Angeles.)

Asia Sentinel - Asia's Experience Probably Means US is bluffing on Iran
 
.
Do not compare north korea situation with Iran one,beacuse USA have like 100 base around Iran which not the case for north korea.

The most important point,North korea didnt threaten to bomb Israel while Iran threaten them like every week.
 
.
AIPAC American regime has been bluffing for 33 years about Iran.

The most important point,North korea didnt threaten to bomb Israel while Iran threaten them like every week.

Sycophantic Indian you are a liar. Israel and America threaten Iran every week not the other way around. I hope Iranians see Indians for what they are on this forum
 
.
Do not compare north korea situation with Iran one,beacuse USA have like 100 base around Iran which not the case for north korea.

The most important point,North korea didnt threaten to bomb Israel while Iran threaten them like every week.

i think israel threat iran more then iran threat israel .... this is the fact ...
 
. .
It is so pathetic to see most Indians side with Israel and US. It appears for them Israel is becoming some sort of god. I hope they realize that an Indian will always remain a Goyim no matter what.

North Korea only threatens to nuke Seoul and Tokyo. And they have real nukes. Iran does not have nukes and has not threatened ever to nuke anyone. But as I said, Japanese and South Koreans are goyim, so it does not matter to raise concern in Zionist media.

North Korea only threatens to nuke Seoul and Tokyo. And they have real nukes. Iran does not have nukes and has not threatened ever to nuke anyone. But as I said, Japanese and South Koreans are goyim, so it does not matter to raise concern in Zionist media.
 
.
It is so pathetic to see most Indians side with Israel and US. It appears for them Israel is becoming some sort of god. I hope they realize that an Indian will always remain a Goyim no matter what.

North Korea only threatens to nuke Seoul and Tokyo. And they have real nukes. Iran does not have nukes and has not threatened ever to nuke anyone. But as I said, Japanese and South Koreans are goyim, so it does not matter to raise concern in Zionist media.

North Korea only threatens to nuke Seoul and Tokyo. And they have real nukes. Iran does not have nukes and has not threatened ever to nuke anyone. But as I said, Japanese and South Koreans are goyim, so it does not matter to raise concern in Zionist media.

Incredibly sad that a nation of 4 billion Incrddeible Indians needs help for security from a nation of 1.4 million

Back to topic Obama talks crap anyway
 
. .
AIPAC American regime has been bluffing for 33 years about Iran.



Sycophantic Indian you are a liar. Israel and America threaten Iran every week not the other way around. I hope Iranians see Indians for what they are on this forum

I have lost my respect for many of Indians on this forum already, not because of this particular person, but because many Indians are like him. Many of them have no dignity and national pride IMHO. I always used to think of India as a civilized independent nation and honestly speaking I didn't have a positive opinion about Pakistan, because I thought the majority of people were extremists and fundamentalists. now thanks to PDF the situation is completely the opposite and I respect the Pakistani people very much and have lost my respect for India as a proud independent nation.
 
.
No. 1 cause of impotency is lack of confidence clinically speaking. So there you go.

Well that would be incredibly good because they need to control the population and this natural method is very good. No side effects.

Back to topic Obama is bluffing

:rofl:
What do you guys smoke?

This smoking must also be helping impotency
 
.
Asia's Experience Probably Means US is bluffing on Iran

Written by David J. Karl

barack-obama-in-a-stern-stance.jpg



Obama uses the same language a series of presidents have used on North Korea


United States President Barack Obama is now talking tough with Iran, insisting that he is prepared, if necessary, to use military force to stop the country’s atomic ambitions. But if history is any guide, he is more likely to acquiescence to a nuclear-armed Iran.

Indeed, the rhetoric issuing from Washington nowadays is nearly a verbatim copy of the words Obama’s predecessors directed at North Korea. And we all know how well that turned out.

Consider, for example, the Clinton administration’s declarations on Pyongyang’s proliferation. In late 1993, President Clinton signaled US willingness to thwart North Korea’s nuclear activities by means of war, stating that it “cannot be allowed to develop a nuclear bomb.” His defense secretary shortly thereafter termed the president’s statement an “ultimatum,” adding “we will not let the North Koreans become a nuclear power….nuclear weapons in the hands of North Korea is not acceptable.”

George W. Bush, who framed the invasion of Iraq as an act of counter-proliferation, took a similar hard line toward Pyongyang. He declared categorically in May 2003 that “we will not tolerate nuclear weapons in North Korea.”

Like today, loose talk of military strikes filled the air but the lack of viable options ultimately stayed his hand. When Pyongyang finally did explode a nuclear device in the fall of 2006, he could only repeat that the existence of its arsenal was “unacceptable.”

As the depressing track record with North Korea demonstrates, it is exceedingly difficult to stop a rogue regime determined to develop nuclear capabilities, especially if it located in a strategic part of the world, has powerful patrons, and is able to inflict retribution on important U.S. interests in the region.

Still, this has not kept Obama from borrowing freely from the vocabulary used by Clinton and Bush. In his first press conference as president-elect, he declared that “Iran’s development of a nuclear weapon, I believe, is unacceptable.” In his State of the Union address two months ago, he vowed that “America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal.”

In a media interview the other week, he underscored that he is not bluffing when it comes to the possible use of military force and that “when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say.” And he punctuated this point in a forceful address to the American Israel Political Action Committee, an influential lobbying group in Washington, stressing that “when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say.”v Yet the Obama administration’s threat to pick up the cudgel of military action has always an air of unreality. After all, a president determined to wind down George Bush’s wars in the Greater Middle East is quite unlikely to initiate a third one. Ditto for the politician seeking re-election who justifies large-scale troop withdrawals from Afghanistan by declaring that “it’s time to focus on nation-building here at home.” And not to mention the commander-in-chief who unveils the Pentagon’s new strategic guidance by announcing that “the tide of war is receding.”

Nor has it escaped notice in Tehran and elsewhere that for all of the tough-minded rhetoric, Mr. Obama was most reluctant to impose painful economic sanctions on Iran in the first place.

Noteworthy, too, is how the Pentagon leadership is pouring cold water on the military option. Before his retirement last year, Defense Secretary Robert Gates acknowledged that the U.S. armed forces are “exhausted” and pointedly cautioned against launching any new conflicts in the Middle East.

Gates’ successor, Leon Panetta, has warned that a military strike would have “unintended consequences,” touching off global economic instability and broader military hostilities. And the new chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff cautions against attacking Tehran and argues that the Iranian regime is a “rational actor,” suggesting that a nuclear-armed Tehran could be deterred from engaging in provocative actions.

Critics charge that Obama’s recent pronouncements are merely election-year palaver. But it is also important to recognize that he is following a rhetorical playbook laid out by his predecessors. Chances are, he will be no more successful in dealing with a Tehran determined to possess nuclear weapons than they were with Pyongyang.

(David J. Karl is president of the Asia Strategy Initiative, an analysis and advisory firm in Los Angeles.)

Asia Sentinel - Asia's Experience Probably Means US is bluffing on Iran

The US may be bluffing but not israel. Netanyahu is definitely preparing to attack Iran. Most of the americans also support an attack on Iran, so I wouldn't bet against it. Here's another indication of what is cooking:

Netanyahu is preparing Israeli public opinion for a war on Iran - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
 
.
I have lost my respect for many of Indians on this forum already, not because of this particular person, but because many Indians are like him. Many of them have no dignity and national pride IMHO. I always used to think of India as a civilized independent nation and honestly speaking I didn't have a positive opinion about Pakistan, because I thought the majority of people were extremists and fundamentalists. now thanks to PDF the situation is completely the opposite and I respect the Pakistani people very much and have lost my respect for India as a proud independent nation.

So you admit that behind that facade of friendship, Iran has been a pro-india anti-Pakistan country, quite opposite to the principle taught!
 
.
So you admit that behind that facade of friendship, Iran has been a pro-india anti-Pakistan country, quite opposite to the principle taught!

If you want the stance of Iran on the enmity between Pakistan and India, Iran has always remained neutral because Iran has more important concerns to worry about them. Iran has never sided with India and also don't forget that Iran was one of the first countries that recognized Pakistan. I, as an Iranian living in Tehran, always had heard good things about India, like about the old friendship between Iran(Persia) and India and how our countries are culturally tied to each other, and I thought India was a country with dignity and national pride that helped them to get rid of the British colonialism and I thought these guys were neutral about the things that are none of their business, but now I realized that many of them are somehow suffering from inferiority complex when they compare themselves to western powers.
About Pakistan, Iranians aren't anti-Pakistani, they simply don't know much about Pakistan, but when I read the news I thought Pakistan would be a country full of terrorists funded by Saudi Arabia and fundamentalists that have kept the country backward, I didn't know that the people of Pakistan could be well-informed about the things happening around them and I only found that out after I joined this forum. I'm admitting my ignorance and I see nothing wrong in it. and about Iran's stance, I should reiterate that Iran is neutral, we don't side with any of the two countries, but recently Iran's relations with Pakistan is improving very quickly and I could say that we hear more about Pakistan on the news these days than before, before it was mostly limited to bombings in Karachi and other major cities of Pakistan that killed dozens of people, now it's much more than that.
 
.
from where in my post did you get that i am taking side of Israel ? I just gave my opinion that odds are not in favour of Iran and obama might not be bluffing.

BTW i also lost respect fro Iran the day they bomb our capital to take revenge from Israel.

Israel always helped us in time of need and these Iranian guys ranting against India,remember now we are the largest buyer of your crude oil,everyone is abandoning you except India.

Israel deserve respect the way they are surviving against the odds in middle east among savages.
 
.
from where in my post did you get that i am taking side of Israel ? I just gave my opinion that odds are not in favour of Iran and obama might not be bluffing.

BTW i also lost respect fro Iran the day they bomb our capital to take revenge from Israel.

Israel always helped us in time of need and these Iranian guys ranting against India,remember now we are the largest buyer of your crude oil,everyone is abandoning you except India.

Israel deserve respect the way they are surviving against the odds in middle east among savages.


:rofl: Nation of 1.2 billion need help from a nation of 4 million and are therefore its nationals play a sycophantic role. Your post exposes the sham that Indians are friends of Iran
 
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom