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Turkish women in Istanbul posing before the Bosporus, which divides Europe from Asia. Turkey remains far in spirit from the Continent.
By DAN BILEFSKY
Published: December 4, 2011


ISTANBUL — As economic contagion tarnishes the European Union, a newly assertive Turkey is increasingly looking east instead of west, and asking a vexing question: Should Turkey reject Europe before Europe rejects Turkey?


When Recep Tayyip Erdogan , the charismatic prime minister, first swept to power in 2002, he made Turkey’s entry into the European Union his overriding goal. Determined to anchor the country to the West, Mr. Erdogan’s Muslim-inspired Justice and Development Party tackled thorny issues like improving minority rights and easing restrictions on free speech to move Turkey closer to Western norms.

But Turkey’s bid was greeted with skepticism and even disdain by some members of the union, not least because of Turkey’s large, almost entirely Muslim population. The negotiations dragged on endlessly without ever yielding a clear pathway to membership.

Now it is Turkey that has soured on the idea, analysts here say. With Europe shaken by a spiraling credit crisis and the tumult of the Arab Spring creating opportunities for Turkey to wield new clout as a regional power, people here are weighing a step that would have been unthinkable only a few years ago: walking away from the European Union altogether.

“Prime Minister Erdogan wanted to be the first conservative Muslim leader who would bring Turkey to the West, but after Europe betrayed him, he abandoned those ambitions,” said Erol Yarar, the founder of a religiously conservative business group of 20,000 companies that is close to the prime minister. “Today, the E.U. has absolutely no influence over Turkey, and most Turks are asking themselves, ‘Why should we be part of such a mess?’ ”

Turkey’s increasingly muscular foreign policy in the Middle East was in evidence last week when it imposed tough sanctions on Syria and made preparations for possible military intervention. And Turkey has become a powerful voice of regional outrage over Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, especially since it froze its ties with Israel over a commando raid on a vessel that tried to reach Gaza from Turkey.

Meanwhile, Turkish officials say relations with the European Union have reached a state of hopeless disrepair, made worse by the prospect of Cyprus taking over the rotating presidency of the union next year.

Turkey has been locked in an intractable political fight with Cyprus since 1974, when it invaded the island to prevent a proposed union with Greece and set up a rival government in the ethnic Turkish part of Cyprus that only it recognizes. In London last month, President Abdullah Gul disparaged Cyprus as “half a country” that would lead a “miserable union,” Milliyet, a Turkish newspaper, reported. Then, when France took the unusual step last week of proposing that Turkey be invited to take part in a meeting of the union’s foreign ministers to discuss Syria, Cyprus vetoed the idea.

A century ago when the Ottoman Empire was crumbling, Turkey acquired the unwelcome nickname “the sick man of Europe.” Now many Turks cannot help but gloat that Turkey’s economy is forecast to grow at a 7.5 percent rate this year while Europe is sputtering.

“Those who called us ‘sick’ in the past are now ‘sick’ themselves,” Zafer Caglayan, Turkey’s minister of economy, said recently. “May God grant them recovery.”

It is all but certain that Turkey’s membership talks, which have made scant progress in many areas since 2006, will make none at all when Cyprus takes over the union’s rotating presidency in July 2012, because the Turkish government has said it will boycott the presidency, effectively freezing negotiations. If the talks are still deadlocked in 2014, Turkish officials say privately, they could be abandoned.

Public opinion in Turkey has already turned away. According to surveys by the German Marshall Fund, 73 percent of Turks saw membership as a good thing in 2004, but only 38 percent felt that way by 2010.

The country’s minister for European Union affairs, Egemen Bagis, said in an interview that Turkey remained committed to joining. With its young and dynamic work force, large domestic market and growing regional role, he said, Turkey would be a bigger asset than ever to the teetering union.

“Hold on, Europe,” he said, “Turkey is coming to the rescue.”

But business people in Turkey, who have long supported membership, are finding it harder to make the case.

Mr. Yarar, the business group leader, owns 404, a chemical company, and Lezzo, a food company, which makes the country’s well-known apple tea. He noted that Turkey’s trade patterns were shifting eastward: though Europe still bought about 56 percent of Turkey’s exports in 2010, some 20 percent went to the Middle East, compared with 12.5 percent in 2004. “It may take 10 years, but the Arab Spring will make these markets even more attractive,” he said.


When Recep Tayyip Erdogan , the charismatic prime minister, first swept to power in 2002, he made Turkey’s entry into the European Union his overriding goal. Determined to anchor the country to the West, Mr. Erdogan’s Muslim-inspired Justice and Development Party tackled thorny issues like improving minority rights and easing restrictions on free speech to move Turkey closer to Western norms.

But Turkey’s bid was greeted with skepticism and even disdain by some members of the union, not least because of Turkey’s large, almost entirely Muslim population. The negotiations dragged on endlessly without ever yielding a clear pathway to membership.

Now it is Turkey that has soured on the idea, analysts here say. With Europe shaken by a spiraling credit crisis and the tumult of the Arab Spring creating opportunities for Turkey to wield new clout as a regional power, people here are weighing a step that would have been unthinkable only a few years ago: walking away from the European Union altogether.

“Prime Minister Erdogan wanted to be the first conservative Muslim leader who would bring Turkey to the West, but after Europe betrayed him, he abandoned those ambitions,” said Erol Yarar, the founder of a religiously conservative business group of 20,000 companies that is close to the prime minister. “Today, the E.U. has absolutely no influence over Turkey, and most Turks are asking themselves, ‘Why should we be part of such a mess?’ ”

Turkey’s increasingly muscular foreign policy in the Middle East was in evidence last week when it imposed tough sanctions on Syria and made preparations for possible military intervention. And Turkey has become a powerful voice of regional outrage over Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, especially since it froze its ties with Israel over a commando raid on a vessel that tried to reach Gaza from Turkey.

Meanwhile, Turkish officials say relations with the European Union have reached a state of hopeless disrepair, made worse by the prospect of Cyprus taking over the rotating presidency of the union next year.

Turkey has been locked in an intractable political fight with Cyprus since 1974, when it invaded the island to prevent a proposed union with Greece and set up a rival government in the ethnic Turkish part of Cyprus that only it recognizes. In London last month, President Abdullah Gul disparaged Cyprus as “half a country” that would lead a “miserable union,” Milliyet, a Turkish newspaper, reported. Then, when France took the unusual step last week of proposing that Turkey be invited to take part in a meeting of the union’s foreign ministers to discuss Syria, Cyprus vetoed the idea.

A century ago when the Ottoman Empire was crumbling, Turkey acquired the unwelcome nickname “the sick man of Europe.” Now many Turks cannot help but gloat that Turkey’s economy is forecast to grow at a 7.5 percent rate this year while Europe is sputtering.

“Those who called us ‘sick’ in the past are now ‘sick’ themselves,” Zafer Caglayan, Turkey’s minister of economy, said recently. “May God grant them recovery.”

It is all but certain that Turkey’s membership talks, which have made scant progress in many areas since 2006, will make none at all when Cyprus takes over the union’s rotating presidency in July 2012, because the Turkish government has said it will boycott the presidency, effectively freezing negotiations. If the talks are still deadlocked in 2014, Turkish officials say privately, they could be abandoned.

Public opinion in Turkey has already turned away. According to surveys by the German Marshall Fund, 73 percent of Turks saw membership as a good thing in 2004, but only 38 percent felt that way by 2010.

The country’s minister for European Union affairs, Egemen Bagis, said in an interview that Turkey remained committed to joining. With its young and dynamic work force, large domestic market and growing regional role, he said, Turkey would be a bigger asset than ever to the teetering union.

“Hold on, Europe,” he said, “Turkey is coming to the rescue.”

But business people in Turkey, who have long supported membership, are finding it harder to make the case.

Mr. Yarar, the business group leader, owns 404, a chemical company, and Lezzo, a food company, which makes the country’s well-known apple tea. He noted that Turkey’s trade patterns were shifting eastward: though Europe still bought about 56 percent of Turkey’s exports in 2010, some 20 percent went to the Middle East, compared with 12.5 percent in 2004. “It may take 10 years, but the Arab Spring will make these markets even more attractive,” he said.

To the protesters in the streets of Cairo or Homs, Mr. Erdogan, a pious Muslim leading a prosperous country of 78 million, is a powerful symbol of the compatibility of democracy and Islam, while Europe’s perceived hostility to its Muslim residents undercuts its influence in the region.

Senior Turkish officials say that Mr. Erdogan has turned away from Europe and embraced Washington instead, a development signaled when Turkey announced sanctions against Syria. While Mr. Erdogan coordinated closely on the issue with President Obama, the officials said, Europe played only a supporting role.

The waning of European influence may also corrode Turkey’s ambition to be a model of democracy for the Arab world. Human rights advocates say that without the viable prospect of European Union membership to motivate restraint, the Turkish government’s authoritarian streak is growing unchecked. A report by the European Commission in November said that 64 journalists were in jail in Turkey, and one prominent media group that has criticized the ruling party was hit with a $2.5 billion tax fine.

In this abidingly cosmopolitan city, though, even ambitious and well-educated young people are fed up with the European Union. At a bustling cafe on the western side of the Bosporus, the strait that cuts through the city and separates Europe from Asia, Tugce Erbad, 19, a student of international finance, said her generation of Turks was not interested in joining a sinking European Union. Yet she insisted that she and her friends were still more drawn to Europe than to the Arab world.

“I would rather go to Paris than Beirut,” she said, before quickly adding: “Turkey is neither east or west. We are moving in our own direction.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/05/world/europe/for-turkey-lure-of-european-union-is-fast-fading.html?pagewanted=2&hp
 
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80% of Turks never ever believed that Turkiye will be a member of EU. Almost everyone knew/know that EU is a christian union and Turkiye is not part of it.

Since 2002, first days of AKP gov. aimed to be an EU member, unlike PM. Erdogan and Pre. Gul's beliefs in 90's(in 90's they were against eu and always saying that "eu is a christian union").
 
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when the time comes we ll say bye to them! its for sure ( not anytime soon tough)
 
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GDP of Turkey = $ 740 billion
GDP of EU = $16,500 billion (Germany, UK, France, Spain and Italy itself are more than $ 1 trillion GDP)

Italy and Spain had gone broke, and were bailed out by WB and bankers' consortium. UK economy is sick. Turkey is vibrant showing positive indicators everywhere.

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GDP of Turkey = $ 740 billion
GDP of EU = $16,500 billion (Germany, UK, France, Spain and Italy itself are more than $ 1 trillion GDP)

Italy and Spain had gone broke, and were bailed out by WB and bankers' consortium. UK economy is sick. Turkey is vibrant showing positive indicators everywhere.
 
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What's the point of gloating, and all the counter arguments... We've all seen it so get over it.

It's more important Turkish companies value go up through the roof and Turkeys GDP goes up through the roof. It's better to bloody spend your time focusing on what can be done to ensure that than banting words.

First of all, get the fricken Photovaltics up and running on every f...ing home in Turkey. if every house had a bloody 3Kw PV you'd only need to supply energy during the nights!

make the profit from PV free of tax to unleash insane investment in that sector!
 
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What's the point of gloating, and all the counter arguments... We've all seen it so get over it.

It's more important Turkish companies value go up through the roof and Turkeys GDP goes up through the roof. It's better to bloody spend your time focusing on what can be done to ensure that than banting words.

First of all, get the fricken Photovaltics up and running on every f...ing home in Turkey. if every house had a bloody 3Kw PV you'd only need to supply energy during the nights!

make the profit from PV free of tax to unleash insane investment in that sector!

What will happen to the big energy companies, if our heat comes through solar power? I know it will be very valuable for the whole country to be energy efficient and all. Even though i support efficient energy i don't think it will be good for the economy in the "short run". Big energy giants will simply not allow it. I hope though that we can do it, because we can turn it to a big profit in the long run. Without risks you can't have success ....
 
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Cumhuriyet newspaper states that:
Turkish EU minister said on Sunday that during Greek Cypriot administration’s EU term presidency, Turkey would not sit at the table with the term president.

However Turkey would continue its relations with the European Commission and Parliament during Greek Cypriot administration’s EU presidency, EU Minister and Chief Negotiator Egemen Bagis said at a TV program.In regard to the Cyprus issue, Bagis said that if the Greek Cypriot administration really wanted a solution, it should make good use of next six months.

Criticizing the administration’s efforts to explore oil and natural gas in Mediterranean, Bagis said that it was wrong before a solution was reached on the Cyprus issue.


Pray and hope Turkiye for EU membership..
 
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What will happen to the big energy companies, if our heat comes through solar power? I know it will be very valuable for the whole country to be energy efficient and all. Even though i support efficient energy i don't think it will be good for the economy in the "short run". Big energy giants will simply not allow it. I hope though that we can do it, because we can turn it to a big profit in the long run. Without risks you can't have success ....

The problem is the incentives and has always been that. renewable energy is suppose to be positive discriminated and it's necessary because there are no other way of getting the investment for it. In Denmark the first windmills built still have the incentives that was granted them, the profit (shareholders) is tax free. which means if that windmill generates more energy than the shareholders use, the profit goes straight into their pockets. We need something like that. I think it's stupid to empower the giant energy companies when the country needs energy investment on massive scale, but not government investment, they're still corrupt to a certain degree, but if they give the incentive to invest on PV to the citizens e.g. invest 15.000 TL and get your own 3kw PV on your roof. if you produce more energy than you use, you get paid 0,05 TL per Kwh, increase the amount to 0,1TL or more if necessary, but make sure that this is an incentive to make people invest, after 1 year you can remove that incentive. Saying "too bad you didn't invest when you had the chance, now those who did reaps the benefits".
 
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The Sword Arm of Islam is returning to the ranks of the Ummah. Alhamdulillah! Allah SWT be praised.
 
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GDP_real_growth_rate_CIA_Factbook.PNG


Look at Turkey's growth, and now look at EU's growth.

Why should Turkey join a group whose members are all sick? Turkey was considered the sick man of Europe (we Turks prefer injured lion, because even an injured lion is strong enough to beat of jackals, remember Gallipoli/war of independence), Ironical that now Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal are all failing dramatically. In 20 years time Turkey will possibly be the strongest European country (except Russia), considering our young and dynamic population compared with Europe's old and fragile population.

Interesting article about Turkey's current economy and aspirations: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/23/turkey-leverages-economy-for-global-power/?page=all

Small part of the article:
"Turkey is one of those nations. A decade of robust and largely uninterrupted growth has allowed the longtime U.S. ally to influence world affairs and become an ambitious force in its strategically critical neighborhood at the nexus of Europe, Asia and the Middle East.

Turkey’s secular Muslim leaders have made no secret of their ambition to reprise the economic pre-eminence, if not the military predominance, of the Ottoman era, when the region was the center of an empire that encompassed most of the Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia and the Balkans before crumbling in the aftermath of World War I."
 
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I think it's unhealthy to gloat, I don't see how EU being in an economic crises benefits Turkey, yes we have a vivid economy, but we are also affected by a rising inflation which isn't a very good sign. We have a young population, but there is noway Turkey can supply that young population with everything they need. How many Ipad 2, Mac, Samsung laptops, tabs are produced in turkey, how many Watch productions do we have in Turkey. Sorry, but unless we can provide everything to our own population, we'll still face dependency on foreign markets especially EU. Remember that everything rides on Import/export. exporting more than you import is good, and that's what we need. agriculture, the farmers think they can still do things the old fashion way. Sorry that's a dead end. You know how much the price of meat is in Turkey ? More than In Denmark.

What I think we need is secure investment in energy, solar panels for a start. and buy/build laptop factories in turkey, buy the knowhow and the right people! and etc.
 
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