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A simple question: Why would China approve of a "clean" waiver for India from the restrictions of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (i.e. NPT)?

The obvious answer: China would not permit India to become a de-facto nuclear weapon state under the NPT. Hence, it should be obvious to everyone that India's exemption in 2008 from the Nuclear Supplier Group (i.e. NSG) was riddled with restrictions, which imposed the core NPT prohibitions in an explicit or implicit manner.

Bottom line: There will be no real exemption from the NPT for India. If India is not bound by the NPT then no other country will continue to accept the NPT restrictions placed on them.

All of the NPT restrictions are still in place. Excerpt from article:

"Through the ratification legislation—the US-India Nuclear Cooperation Approval and Non-Proliferation Enhancement Act (NCANEA)—Congress actually busted several myths peddled by New Delhi. First, NCANEA makes explicit that, “Nothing in the [123] Agreement shall be construed to supersede the legal requirements of the Henry J. Hyde Act.” Second, NCANEA stipulates that the US promise of uninterrupted fuel supply is a “political”, not legal, commitment. It cannot be anything else because the 123 Agreement itself confers an open-ended right on the US to suspend or terminate cooperation."

What benefit did India receive from the NSG exemption? Not much. Excerpt from article:

"Apart from retaining nuclear facilities in the military realm, India is being treated, for all intents and purposes, as a non-nuclear-weapons state and thus subject to the non-proliferation conditions applicable to such states, but with its non-membership in the Non-Proliferation Treaty carrying continuing penalties."

Nuclear chickens come home to roost - Views - livemint.com

"Nuclear chickens come home to roost
Posted: Wed, Jun 29 2011. 1:15 AM IST

The myth of a clean waiver from NSG has been finally busted with the group tightening its guidelines

During the more than three-year-long process to finalize the terms of the nuclear deal with the US, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh kept meretriciously reassuring the nation that he would operationalize the deal only after securing a broad political consensus in support. He even pledged: “Once the process is over, I will bring it before Parliament and abide by the House.”

Yet, he completely bypassed Parliament. And instead of any attempt at consensus building, the country witnessed a polarizing single-mindedness to clinch the deal at any cost.

Now, with several of Singh’s key assurances to the nation falling by the wayside, the nuclear chickens have come home to roost. The Nuclear Suppliers Group’s (NSG’s) new ban on enrichment and reprocessing (ENR) equipment transfers fulfills one of the last remaining conditions of US’ Hyde Act, highlighting the rising costs for India of a deal whose much-trumpeted benefits are likely to remain elusive. India also has ended up without a legally binding fuel supply guarantee, despite its bitter experience over the US-built Tarapur plant. And it has secured no right to take corrective measures even if the  US  again  unilaterally terminates cooperation, as did in the 1970s.

That NSG granted India a clean, unrestricted waiver in 2008 is a myth the politically besieged Singh government created to save face in public. In truth, it had signalled to the US earlier that it could live with a conditional waiver as long as the conditions were not embarrassingly conspicuous. Indian diplomacy sought to ensure that prohibitions on nuclear testing and ENR transfers remained implicit, or else Singh would stand exposed at home.

In this light, NSG, amid a tussle between non-proliferation purists and pragmatists in its ranks, arrived at a waiver whose language was politically palatable to New Delhi, but whose basic terms meshed with the stipulations in the Hyde Act and some of the purists’ demands. The waiver text incorporated several layers of riders— some explicit and some implicit.

While the bar on Indian nuclear testing was imposed by linking it to the NSG Guidelines’ paragraph 16, which deals with the consequences of “an explosion of a nuclear device”, the prohibition on “transfers of sensitive exports” was fashioned by specifying that such transfers will “remain subject to paragraphs 6 and 7 of Guidelines.” Paragraphs 6 and 7 incorporate a presumption of denial of sensitive items. This linkage to the two paragraphs was devised as an interim step until NSG formalized a ban on ENR and other sensitive sales.

Now, last week’s formal ban— which, in effect, singles out India —meshes with the Hyde Act’s bar on the transfer of ENR and heavy-water equipment to India, other than for a multinational or US-supervised facility. It also blends both with the Hyde Act’s call for an NSG-wide ban and with the US-India 123 Agreement, which excludes ENR and heavy water equipment transfers by saying they “will be subject to the Parties’ respective applicable laws, regulations and license policies”. Even the Indo-French and Indo-Russian civil nuclear agreements do not include ENR and other sensitive transfers in their scope of cooperation.

India, which committed itself to support NSG moves to halt the spread of ENR technologies “to states that do not have them”, has itself become an NSG target. It will, moreover, have to build a costly new internationally safeguarded reprocessing facility without getting the smallest component for it from overseas.

The NSG ban highlights, another fundamental reality, about India that is also embedded in the Hyde Act, the 123 Agreement and the Safeguards Agreement: Apart from retaining nuclear facilities in the military realm, India is being treated, for all intents and purposes, as a non-nuclear-weapons state and thus subject to the non-proliferation conditions applicable to such states, but with its non-membership in the Non-Proliferation Treaty carrying continuing penalties. But the ban’s real effect is to expose New Delhi’s charade that it secured a clean, unconditional NSG waiver. Disturbingly, the government expended greater efforts to pull the wool over the Indian public’s eyes than to stick to Singh’s assurances to the nation.

Consider another telling fact: Though the deal was ratified by the US Congress on 1 October 2008, Singh has yet to make even a statement in Parliament on how its final terms square with his 17 August 2006 assurances to the nation. What can he tell Parliament when the US Congress has removed his government’s last possible fig leaf?

Through the ratification legislation—the US-India Nuclear Cooperation Approval and Non-Proliferation Enhancement Act (NCANEA)—Congress actually busted several myths peddled by New Delhi. First, NCANEA makes explicit that, “Nothing in the [123] Agreement shall be construed to supersede the legal requirements of the Henry J. Hyde Act.” Second, NCANEA stipulates that the US promise of uninterrupted fuel supply is a “political”, not legal, commitment. It cannot be anything else because the 123 Agreement itself confers an open-ended right on the US to suspend or terminate cooperation. And third, the final deal grants the US specific rights, but spells out only Indian obligations.

More fundamentally, the deal has come to symbolize the travails of the Singh government—scandals, broken promises, malfeasance, poor public accountability, and the resort to casuistry to camouflage reality. The cash-for-votes scandal in Parliament set the stage for the other scams that have followed.

Brahma Chellaney is professor of strategic studies at the Centre for Policy Research in New Delhi."
 
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The myth of a clean waiver from NSG has been finally busted with the group tightening its guidelines

Bad luck for India, the NSG tightened their guidelines to cut out non-signatories of the NPT.
 
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Bad luck for India, the NSG tightened their guidelines to cut out non-signatories of the NPT.

France,Russia and other countries with who India has signed treaties will violate the treaty if not for India but for the Revenue ,they stand to loose billions of dollars if this comes in to effect in the present economic situation no one will pass up billions of dollars in trade!!
 
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France,Russia and other countries with who India has signed treaties will violate the treaty if not for India but for the Revenue ,they stand to loose billions of dollars if this comes in to effect in the present economic situation no one will pass up billions of dollars in trade!!

Russia and France are part of the Nuclear Suppliers Group. The prohibition on transferring ENR (i.e. enrichment and reprocessing) equipment, heavy-water equipment, and the catch-all "sensitive transfers" means that India will receive little of value from its 2008 waiver.

Another excerpt from the article:

Now, last week’s formal ban— which, in effect, singles out India —meshes with the Hyde Act’s bar on the transfer of ENR and heavy-water equipment to India, other than for a multinational or US-supervised facility. It also blends both with the Hyde Act’s call for an NSG-wide ban and with the US-India 123 Agreement, which excludes ENR and heavy water equipment transfers by saying they “will be subject to the Parties’ respective applicable laws, regulations and license policies”. Even the Indo-French and Indo-Russian civil nuclear agreements do not include ENR and other sensitive transfers in their scope of cooperation.
 
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Russia and France are part of the Nuclear Suppliers Group. The prohibition on transferring ENR (i.e. enrichment and reprocessing) equipment, heavy-water equipment, and the catch-all "sensitive transfers" means that India will receive little of value from its 2008 waiver.

Another excerpt from the article:

Now, last week’s formal ban— which, in effect, singles out India —meshes with the Hyde Act’s bar on the transfer of ENR and heavy-water equipment to India, other than for a multinational or US-supervised facility. It also blends both with the Hyde Act’s call for an NSG-wide ban and with the US-India 123 Agreement, which excludes ENR and heavy water equipment transfers by saying they “will be subject to the Parties’ respective applicable laws, regulations and license policies”. Even the Indo-French and Indo-Russian civil nuclear agreements do not include ENR and other sensitive transfers in their scope of cooperation.

No problem we will develop on our own even if every country on this planet refuses us the technology, we got this far without any help. Even if these agreements don't give us advanced technologies they give us a steady supply of nuclear fuel. If your answer to my statement is that, even the supply is not gauranteed, even then no one on this earth can stop our march towards development as we have our home developed programme where Uranium is not the only we work on. It will more time and money but we will get there no doubt about that.

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India. Cut loss. Quickly. US is cheating you.

Actually we have not made any agreement with the US companies till now.
 
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Now time for the mandatory reality check and bust some bubbles:

The rules are for 'other' countries, for India the 'special exemption' stands ;)

“I want to say that the US and the Obama Administration strongly and vehemently support the clean waiver to India. The 123 civil nuclear legislation also underscores our support for India in this debate that is going on and our law also points to the clean waiver for India,” outgoing American Ambassador to India Timothy J Roemer told reporters here.

US firmly backs NSG clean waiver to India


"Coming after the decision of exemption from the full-scope safeguards clause, adopted in favour of India in September 2008, it does not undermine the principles of this exemption," the envoy underlined.

France assures NSG waiver for India not undermined - The Economic Times

On a state visit to India this week, New Zealand prime minister John Key said the new guidelines on export of enrichment and reprocessing (ENR) technology did not mean India would be denied access to it.

New norms on N-tech export won't affect India: New Zealand PM - Times Of India
 
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Thanks to the economic boom and insecurities of west vis a vis China, India can pretty much have anything it wants…neither does China has guts to oppose such deals lest it antagonize India. India should continue play this game awhile and play with insecurities of west and China
 
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Now time for the mandatory reality check and bust some bubbles:

The rules are for 'other' countries, for India the 'special exemption' stands ;)

US firmly backs NSG clean waiver to India

France assures NSG waiver for India not undermined - The Economic Times

New norms on N-tech export won't affect India: New Zealand PM - Times Of India

1. Public gratuitous comments have no effect on the tightening of the Nuclear Suppliers Group's guidelines. In other words, the statements of public officials do not alter the restrictions by the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

2. New Zealand has no nuclear technology. The statement by the New Zealand official is completely worthless.

3. The United States says the principle of the exemption is not undermined. That is doublespeak. The Hyde Act was and still is in effect. The exemption/waiver had little value in 2008 and it is still virtually worthless.

Thanks to the economic boom and insecurities of west vis a vis China, India can pretty much have anything it wants…neither does China has guts to oppose such deals lest it antagonize India. India should continue play this game awhile and play with insecurities of west and China

All 46 members of the Nuclear Suppliers Group cartel are putting the screws on India.
 
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Let us not be cocky and over confident of our importance here shall we. The truth is that China is way ahead of us both economically and militarily. If they want they can play spoil sport for us u know. However our relation with China is based on sound economic policies not on any perceived relationship. They importance of India has only grown recently because of sustained development backed decade and the opportunities this country offers to the world in the coming future, for which we have to maintain this growth. For this we have to know where we stand and what we got to do.

It is not true that we can get every thing we want because of West's fear of China. In such a game we will be the pawns only and the end result will be very bad for us. Also whatever toys we get in such relationship with West will have too many strings attached.

The good news for us is that we have a very good thriving domestic nuclear programme, which we have to invest more and more in and believe in. This is what will give us a sound and reliable future.
 
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1. Public gratuitous comments have no effect on the tightening of the Nuclear Suppliers Group's guidelines. In other words, the statements of public officials do not alter the restrictions by the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

2. New Zealand has no nuclear technology. The statement by the New Zealand official is completely worthless.

Buddy you are bent on only one thing that is to prove that India has got nothing out of this deal, which to a certain extent only is true. What we have got is a good supply base for some time to come. Just as you cant count the public statements can you not count the things that happen behind scenes ?? Have China and Pakistan ever acknowledged the help you gave and they got on nuclear technology front? Similarily we too have such relationship with Russia which we will not acknowledge publicly.

Even if we go by this logic why do you think USA has gone this far to get us this so called " Not clean " waiver ?? As by now u must know the truth in India that no government sticks to the policies of its predecessor unless they are same. What is stopping the next government to slip out if they think enough of this $hit??
 
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Buddy you are bent on only one thing that is to prove that India has got nothing out of this deal, which to a certain extent only is true. What we have got is a good supply base for some time to come. Just as you cant count the public statements can you not count the things that happen behind scenes ?? Have China and Pakistan ever acknowledged the help you gave and they got on nuclear technology front? Similarily we too have such relationship with Russia which we will not acknowledge publicly.

Even if we go by this logic why do you think USA has gone this far to get us this so called " Not clean " waiver ?? As by now u must know the truth in India that no government sticks to the policies of its predecessor unless they are same. What is stopping the next government to slip out if they think enough of this $hit??

Is it necessary for me to post an article regarding the NSG problem from The Hindu to prove my point? Don't get mad at me. I did not enact the enhanced restrictions targeting India. The NSG made the decision and I'm merely commenting on the matter.

The first time I decided to post an article on India (in a long time) and an Indian jumps all over me. You can bet that I won't be posting another article anytime soon.
 
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Is it necessary for me to post an article regarding the NSG problem from The Hindu to prove my point? Don't get mad at me. I did not enact the enhanced restrictions targeting India. The NSG made the decision and I'm merely commenting on the matter.

The first time I decided to post an article on India (in a long time) and an Indian jumps all over me. You can bet that I won't be posting another article anytime soon.

If u think that i am mad at you then i am sorry but you are quite wrong. On the contrary i am just explaining my view here and i want you to appreciate it too. Infact i am accepting to the article writers view but am merely stating that it is only true to certain extent. Why would i be mad at you you are merely posting it here. All i am trying to do is have a nice and civil discussion, have i accused u of any wrong intention in posting this article?? Why are you so hurt ?
 
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