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NSA spied on the European Union

@gambit...The french were after technology,as the japanese...the americans targeted everything from technology to private life of diplomats and european citizens.I think you miss the essence of spying,if you get caught,and you got caught right now,big time ,you face a sh9tstorm.A few days ago Obama was in Berlin talking about liberty and now we find out that Germany is spied by the americans on a equal footing as China.Something needs to change,someone needs to take a hike from the Old Continent,they've overstayed their welcome.Sry,it's our home and you don't get to treat us like Irak. ;)
 
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@gambit...The french were after technology,as the japanese...the americans targeted everything from technology to private life of diplomats and european citizens.I think you miss the essence of spying,if you get caught,and you got caught right now,big time ,you face a sh9tstorm.A few days ago Obama was in Berlin talking about liberty and now we find out that Germany is spied by the americans on a equal footing as China.Something needs to change,someone needs to take a hike from the Old Continent,they've overstayed their welcome.Sry,it's our home and you don't get to treat us like Irak. ;)
You mean like this...

UN spy claims embarrass Blair - Iraq - www.theage.com.au
Britain endured an abject day at the United Nations headquarters in New York yesterday, after former cabinet minister Clare Short revealed that British spies had eavesdropped on UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan in the lead-up to the Iraq war.

Most governments have spy agencies, and nearly all conduct espionage on friends as well as foes, but spy operations against friendly forces are rarely acknowledged.
So am asking YOU...Why are you so naive as to believe that partners do not 'spy' on each other? Why are you so selective on your outrage? How old are you? Twelve?
 
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You mean like this...

UN spy claims embarrass Blair - Iraq - www.theage.com.au

So am asking YOU...Why are you so naive as to believe that partners do not 'spy' on each other? Why are you so selective on your outrage? How old are you? Twelve?

Now,now,let's keep it civil....What are you suggesting? Kiss and make up? Someone has to pay,ussually it's an established law that the guilty ones pay,in this case,the USA.This unfortunate incident brought up some serious questions like,in the end why are you here? Do we need you? Should we decide our own faith from now on? You've become a balast.
 
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Now,now,let's keep it civil....What are you suggesting? Kiss and make up? Someone has to pay,ussually it's an established law that the guilty ones pay,in this case,the USA.This unfortunate incident brought up some serious questions like,in the end why are you here? Do we need you? Should we decide our own faith from now on?
I am being polite. Asking you your age is perfectly legitimate considering your ignorance on this subject. And I say 'ignorance' kindly, not maliciously.

What do I suggest? Once the necessary political theater and posturing are done, let the issue die...

Like this instance...

Espionage: Brussels a riot with spy vs spy | Presseurop.eu: European news, cartoons and press reviews
A set of five boxes were installed during the building’s construction to tap the telephone calls of the delegations from Spain, France, Germany, Italy, United Kingdom and Austria. Diplomatic sources impugned Israel, but nobody dared to make an official accusation and the Belgian investigators were instructed not to dig too deeply, according to sources close to the case.
...Then spare us Americans your false moral outrage and feeble attempts to place yourselves over US when your leaders are as guilty as US in espionage in the interests of your countries.
 
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How american of you,always out there for a free lunch or a get out of jail free card even when caught with your hands in the cooky jar.No thank you,i won't spare you and hopefully neither our goverments will,the world is not your oister and certainly not Europe,i hope that your goverment is teached a good lesson.You've gone to far with your paranoia and rude behaviour,you're not all mighty,all knowing and you badly need a lesson in maners.

Until you proove that european nations were spying on american citizens,diplomats,induustries on the scale you're doing,and not some articles from books you better put a sock in it.

Btw,UK is not a good example,they are the american trojan horse in the EU. ;)

Lately i seem to encounter the following american logic coming from your countrymen:"If the europeans are our friends why are they hiding things from us and make us spy on them?":rofl::omghaha:....go team America!:usflag:
 
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How american of you,always out there for a free lunch or a get out of jail free card even when caught with your hands in the cooky jar.No thank you,i won't spare you and hopefully neither our goverments will,the world is not your oister and certainly not Europe,i hope that your goverment is teached a good lesson.You've gone to far with your paranoia and rude behaviour,you're not all mighty,all knowing and you badly need a lesson in maners.

Until you proove that european nations were spying on american citizens,diplomats,induustries on the scale you're doing,and not some articles from books you better put a sock in it.

Btw,UK is not a good example,they are the american trojan horse in the EU. ;)

Lately i seem to encounter the following american logic coming from your countrymen:"If the europeans are our friends why are they hiding things from us and make us spy on them?":rofl::omghaha:....go team America!:usflag:
This is where you are wrong. Your governments WILL spare US. They will because they are guilty of the same.
 
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awww, deflecting like a chi bot.

lol I just want to know what is his definition of "Sensitive" information??

During my work as an Intel officer I know a great deal of intelligence or counter intelligence material that are above the grade of what he said. So, should I be paying 200 Grand a year to keep those information??

Snowden told something to the public WE ALL KNEW and we just don't want to believe, I can't see anything that sensitive comes with his mouth. We all know every country spy on every country, can you say with 100% certainty that Germany or any EU country did not spy on anyone else?? Even if they are supposed to be friend??
 
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This is where you are wrong. Your governments WILL spare US. They will because they are guilty of the same.

They have to, they have no other choice. If war comes knocking on the Gates of Europe, it will be Uncle Sam that will be called in to save Europe once more. Europe's own defences after World War 2 can at best be described pitiful, it was the VII Corps and the US Navy that kept the Soviets at bay. Simply put, the EU needs the US more than the US needs EU.
 
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Ecuador just declined to help Snowden. Just like Hong Kong, the reason was a technicality.
 
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I actually felt sorry for Sec State Kerry today, he was sweating bullets at that press conference.

Dude couldn't even look straight up in the camera for most of the time.

They have to, they have no other choice. If war comes knocking on the Gates of Europe, it will be Uncle Sam that will be called in to save Europe once more. Europe's own defences after World War 2 can at best be described pitiful, it was the VII Corps and the US Navy that kept the Soviets at bay. Simply put, the EU needs the US more than the US needs EU.

What war?

Ecuador just declined to help Snowden. Just like Hong Kong, the reason was a technicality.

Yup, and Putin said he will never give him away.

Giving Snowden asylum would not solve any problems for any country. That is why despite public sentiments, I doubt that any EU government is going to shelter and protect Snowden. Ecuador does it half heartedly for Assange and what has that got Ecuador so far? Zilch. Russia does it just to poke US in the eye. Everyone knows Putin have nothing but contempt for Obama. If this was Bush or even Clinton, Putin would cave.

The problem is mostly public image in relations. There is always a desire in Europe to have the US be more like Europe and ultimately subservient to Europe. That attitude was largely suppressed during the Cold War out of necessity. But now the Europeans have deluded themselves, once again, that there is no threat to their existence and their way of life, that they are now a more 'evolved' people, culture, and society, than the US, and that Americans as a whole is anachronistic and unfitting in the modern world. Not as if they did not believe so during the Cold War to start. I seen it back then and I see the same attitude today. Back then, it was kindly patronizing, today it is openly hostile and contemptuous.

There is no 'solving' a problem that is largely political theater and theatrical posturing. A flash in the pan. No matter what we do as long as Americans are determined to be the way we are, the Euros will always be contemptuous of US and will always seek something, expanding something else, or interpret another thing, to try to put US in what they believe is our 'proper' place. We put up with each other out of many necessities, least of all that we share the same planet. Hand Snowden over to US and the PR issue will go away. I speak rhetorically, of course, since Snowden is not in Europe.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/s...omplaining-too-much-about-american-espionage/

Like I said...political theater and posturing.


Verbal diarrhea to mask the issue, needless to say completely irrelevant. Do you understand that collecting data via data mining is different then going in offices and planting bugs?
 
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They have to, they have no other choice. If war comes knocking on the Gates of Europe, it will be Uncle Sam that will be called in to save Europe once more. Europe's own defences after World War 2 can at best be described pitiful, it was the VII Corps and the US Navy that kept the Soviets at bay. Simply put, the EU needs the US more than the US needs EU.

The European Union nations can currently field together some 1800+ fighter planes,most of them beeing F16,F18's,Mirage2000's,Rafale,Typhoon's and some western upgraded Mid 29's and Mig 23's,and they would be fighting on home soil...I can see how some foreign agressor can easily brush through that....
 
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"Every intelligence service, not just ours, but every European intelligence service, every Asian intelligence service, wherever there's an intelligence service, here's one thing they're going to be doing: they're going to be trying to understand the world better and what's going on in world capitals around the world from sources that aren't available through the New York Times or NBC News," Obama said.

"If that weren't the case, then there would be no use for an intelligence service. And I guarantee you that in European capitals, there are people who are interested in - if not what I had for breakfast - at least what my talking points might be should I end up meeting with their leaders. That's how intelligence services operate."

"The Europeans are some of the closest allies that we have in the world. And we work with them on everything, and we share intelligence constantly," he said.

"I've asked my team ... to evaluate everything that's being claimed. When we have an answer, we will make sure to provide all the information that our allies want."

U.S. seeks to calm European outrage over alleged spying | Reuters

(Reuters) - The European Union said on Monday it had ordered a security sweep of EU buildings after reports that a U.S. spy agency had bugged EU offices in Belgium and the United States.

Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the EU's executive Commission, "has instructed the competent Commission services to proceed to a comprehensive ... security sweep and check," Commission spokeswoman Pia Ahrenkilde Hansen told reporters.

EU orders security sweep after U.S. spying allegations
 
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Verbal diarrhea to mask the issue, needless to say completely irrelevant. Do you understand that collecting data via data mining is different then going in offices and planting bugs?
Sure I do. But are you saying that no intelligence services have ever plant 'bugs' or would ever think of doing so?

BBC NEWS | UK | Politics | UK 'spied on UN's Kofi Annan'
British spies listened in to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's office in the run up to the Iraq war, former UK cabinet minister Clare Short says.
 
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