NSA spied on the European Union

[twilight]

A German official asked. 'Is this what friends,do to friends?'

USA is Germans rulers not their friends ... they never withdraw from it after WW II .... so they have right to monitoring Germans


any way , USA will continue spying them regard what lie they will say ... it is fact ... till USA has power , she will use it ....

 

[rubyjackass]

Innocent until proven guilty,for now all we see is the americans spying on everyone,foes or friends.Bu,hu,hu,cry me a river,i didn't know that beeing former colonists makes you a perpetual criminal.

UPDATE:I'm reading that more and more EU officials are demanding clear answers and say that if this is true it will be a "great scandal".

Martin Schulz(president of the european parliament): "This will badly dameage the relations between the EU and the USA"

Jean Asselbron,the foreign affairs minister of Luxembourg :"The US would better keep an eye on their intelligence service rather than its allies".He says that american espionage is "out of control" and that the espionage activities are justified by "the fight against terrorism.The EU and its officials are not terrorists."

Wait till your leaders extradite Assange and support US in its attempt to extract Snowden. EU countries seem to be a shameless chamcha to the US more and more. Yesterday they said Taliban are villains who cannot be tolerated. Today they support US talks to give Taliban a stake in the Afghan government. US announces departure from Afghanistan, EU packs its bags.

 

[RescueRanger]

The EU is rightfully angry. This is clearly the largest and broadest espionage program since the Cold War and the victims are apparantly NATO allies.

 

[Wright]

Despite all this they cant stop jobs being shipped to China. They fail to secure their borders against illegal's. They cannot control gun violence.

The US obviously being controlled by China.

 

[gambit]

A German official asked. 'Is this what friends,do to friends?'

Political theater and theatrical posturing. Behind closed doors, every responsible government know that despite...

Pearl Harbor Review - The Black Chamber - NSA/CSS

"Gentlemen do not read other gentlemen's mail."

...The strategic reality before and after the Cold War and probably forever is that gentlemen and gentleladies do read each other's mail whenever they could precisely because of the diverse national interests even in alliances that have common core interests. You guys really believe that the Soviets and the Chinese did not read each other's mail when they were allies against the West?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Preobrazhensky

Konstantin Georgiyevich Preobrazhenskiy (Russian: Константин Георгиевич Преображенский; born in 1953 in Moscow) is a former KGB officer, an intelligence expert and the author of several books and numerous articles about Russian secret police organizations.

He is known for his publications about KGB operations in Japan, recruitment of Russian emigrants by Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, and infiltration of Russian Orthodox Church by the KGB/Federal Security Service (FSB).

By Konstantin Preobrazhensky

Before I left the KGB in 1991, I worked as the advisor on China for the Head of the Scientific and Technical intelligence division (Directorate “T&#8221 of the KGB, and such a partnership doesn’t seem a matter of question to me. Currently, every series of talks and negotiations between Russia and China includes on its roster a representative of those countries’ respective intelligence agencies.

Furthermore, Russian espionage against China is carried out half-heartedly. China, after all, is the last bastion of Communism, and many of Russia’s spies and paymasters, being Communists themselves, don’t want to give China too hard a time.Interestingly, it wasn’t like this at all during Soviet times. The KGB worked hard against China. KGB operatives all over the world participated in this spy mission, recruiting informants not only in China, but in many other countries as well.

...that Peking had very strong counterintelligence operations in place. Every Soviet spy in the city was tailed by literally hundreds of Chinese spies. It was impossible to get away from them. Because of this, Yury Andropov, a former spymaster himself, ordered the KGB to develop its position against China from abroad. At times, such an approach looked absolutely ridiculous. For instance, as soon as a Russian agent would walk up to a Chinese student on the streets of Stockholm and speak to him in Chinese, the student would understand immediately he was being recruited to spy and would run away.

In the end, spying on the Chinese was one of the most difficult operations for the KGB.

Any EU leader could suspend any extradition treaty with the US and give Snowden political asylum in protest, assuming the outrage is genuine.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Before all these came out, many of my fellow compatriots in Germany as well as in the EU were indeed naiv. Most seldom questioned US policy and indeed thought that Obama would correct the course. My dissenting opinion were regarded by many as pure anti-americanism. One of the reason I never made any reports about the US as I know that would be not helpful for my career.

Now as this scandalous bomb has exploded, and I'm sure more will be revealed in the coming weeks, and for that we all are thankful for one brave man, who risks his life to reaveal the dirty work of the US gov., we in the EU must reevaluate our co-operation with the US.

Right now there are already strong voices from the public demanding exit of Nato, closing US military bases in the EU, stop all negotiations of the FTA, building closer co-operations with Russia and China.

Germany as the strongest member of the EU will have an election this autumn and vox populi should be put into action!

Ceterum censeo Vasingtonem esse delendam!

 

[flamer84]

Any EU leader could suspend any extradition treaty with the US and give Snowden political asylum in protest, assuming the outrage is genuine.

We should but we won't.
Anyway,on a more humorous note american secret services sure get a lot of press coverage for someone who is supposed to lurk in the shadows.))...incompetent much?

 

[gambit]

We should but we won't.
Anyway,on a more humorous note american secret services sure get a lot of press coverage for someone who is supposed to lurk in the shadows.))...incompetent much?

Not really. Keep in mind that Snowden is not a direct employee of any US intelligence agency. Neither is Manning.

 

[flamer84]

Not really. Keep in mind that Snowden is not a direct employee of any US intelligence agency. Neither is Manning.

So,it's even worse than I've thought,some indirect contractors have access to such sensitive material.Let's be honest,for some secret services the american agencies have their agenda made public more clearly than the life of a Hollywood superstar.)

 

[gambit]

So,it's even worse than I've thought,some indirect contractors have access to such sensitive material.Let's be honest,for some secret services the american agencies have their agenda made public more clearly than the life of a Hollywood superstar.)

That is a temporary problem. It lies in how companies screen their employees prior to taking on sensitive governmental contracts. You can bet your next year's salary that there are serious reviews and inevitable reforms on how these companies do business. The US government will institute new legal prosecution avenues for any company wanting to gain these sensitive work. Every employee and contractor is now under deeper background investigation.

 

[Kompromat]

Before all these came out, many of my fellow compatriots in Germany as well as in the EU were indeed naiv. Most seldom questioned US policy and indeed thought that Obama would correct the course. My dissenting opinion were regarded by many as pure anti-americanism. One of the reason I never made any reports about the US as I know that would be not helpful for my career.

Now as this scandalous bomb has exploded, and I'm sure more will be revealed in the coming weeks, and for that we all are thankful for one brave man, who risks his life to reaveal the dirty work of the US gov., we in the EU must reevaluate our co-operation with the US.

Right now there are already strong voices from the public demanding exit of Nato, closing US military bases in the EU, stop all negotiations of the FTA, building closer co-operations with Russia and China.

Germany as the strongest member of the EU will have an election this autumn and vox populi should be put into action!

Ceterum censeo Vasingtonem esse delendam!

Germany is the European superpower and is the only country which CAN choose its own path.

 

[jhungary]

So,it's even worse than I've thought,some indirect contractors have access to such sensitive material. Let's be honest,for some secret services the american agencies have their agenda made public more clearly than the life of a Hollywood superstar.)

What is "Sensitive information" in your book, I wonder??

Know that PRISM is at work and has been since 2006 is any sort of "Sensitive Information" for you? Then thousand of Conspiracy theorist and such must be privy to much Sensitive Information I wonder......

Talked to one before Snowden even working for Dell, he said the RFID thing (The chip in your passport, etc) in the US is the new toy that our intelligence department comes up with to track people and monitor them. So he should be one of the "Insider" of US intelligence circle.

If he can tell WHO specifically is being spied and for what (Not which country), now that is what I called "Sensitive Information", but apparently he did not know that.

He know something, everybody know something, but you have to be on the top of the totem pole to have those "Something" make sense. When you get to that position and you go disappear, then it's a scandal to the US intelligence circle

 

[flamer84]

Germany is the European superpower and is the only country which CAN choose its own path.

Don't forget the french,they have a good history in not towing the american line.Germany is a model not only for herself but for the rest of Europe to,if the EU stands a chance to survive we need a common foreign policy but looking at current affairs the germans are reluctant to take the leadership role and rightfully so.Look at what happened in Greece and other countries,all those ungrateful people quickly found the germans guilty for all their wrong doings,and,in keeping with the fashion nowadays nazi comparisons soon began to be thrown into the fray.The germans are still punished with this ridiculous nazi card,even some germans still share the guilt,they need to free themselves from this guilt and look to the future.

 

[Audio]

Any EU leader could suspend any extradition treaty with the US and give Snowden political asylum in protest, assuming the outrage is genuine.

Why? What is there to gain? Wiser would be to move the financial center from the (tainted) London City to Frankfurt and start our own cyber defense service with our own gear. O ye, and kicking the trojan horse that is UK outside.

Better response then asking for a dead horse that is Snowden, don't you think and it would actually go some way in stopping the industrial espionage the NSA is doing. (west and south Germany where they just so happened to control servers happens to be the hi-tech center of Germany)

Right now there are already strong voices from the public demanding exit of Nato, closing US military bases in the EU, stop all negotiations of the FTA, building closer co-operations with Russia and China.

Don't be naive, Russia and China want the data even more, since their industries are lacking in technology much more then the Americans.

What is "Sensitive information" in your book, I wonder??

Know that PRISM is at work and has been since 2006 is any sort of "Sensitive Information" for you? Then thousand of Conspiracy theorist and such must be privy to much Sensitive Information I wonder......

awww, deflecting like a chi bot.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Don't be naive, Russia and China want the data even more, since their industries are lacking in technology much more then the Americans.

No, not at all. Since we know that China and Russia are technologically less developed than us, it's just too obvious that they certainly are very interested in our technology. Both of these countries (even more in China's case) have not infitrated into our society and institutions as the US has been since the end of WWII. It is much easier to put up measures to prevent any infiltrations against them than against the US, since they are already everywhere.

Germany is the European superpower and is the only country which CAN choose its own path.

Easier said than done. The US has infiltrated deep into our society and institutions since WWII. The question is how to get rid of them first, since many of them are German nationals.