Now Tejas Will Not Replace MiG-21s

[Zapper]

It seems the IN mirrors the PN in the culture with the PA and PAF behaving close to those counterparts. Im guessing that has to do with the dominant nature of the IA->IAF->IN as well.

PN doesn't have the luxury to go for indigenous platforms like IN nor do their shipyards/design bureaus have the technical capabilities to design and build one from scratch. Except for some missile/gun boats, almost all PN warships and subs are of foreign origin. Contrarily, IN has been designing and building it's platforms in local shipyards since the past two decades. For a far fetched tech like the Scorpenes, we still built all 6 of them locally. Even IN's SF arm Marcos is the most structured in terms of training, weapons procurements and organization followed by IAF's Garuds and IA's Para SF despite the later having the most operational experience

The culture of promoting local platforms and weapons systems is inbred in IN and their officers are also the most educated compared to the other two arms. IN infact actively promotes their officers to take up additional courses or degrees at foreign institutions. I'd still say IN is India's most formidable arm and PAF when it comes to pakistan

I am surprised that the MWF and AMCA are progressing in parallel when many of their roles/capabilities overlap to some extent. Might make more sense to focus on AMCA for economies of scale purposes.

MWF is just an iteration of LCA with many of the technologies already in place or active development albeit a larger airframe with enhanced capabilities. MWF is necessary to replace all the retiring aircrafts and plug in the numbers

AMCA still requires several technologies to be developed which weren't a part of LCA like stealth, sensor integration, coatings, integrated warfare etc resulting in the development to take a lot more time

 

[Adonis]

Dumb Indian Hindus will always be dumb. Money cannot buy you intelligence.

Please don't keep displaying your radical mindset in your posts.....So only Indian Hindus are dumb, other religion people are intelligent?

If money can't buy intelligence so can't Madrassa education (laced with religious fanaticism).

 

[Foinikas]

Of course they will still keep it! The Mig-21 shot down like a dozen F-16s in 2019. And F-35s. What do you mean the PAF doesn't have F-35s? IAF shot down PAF F-35s but those cunning Pakistanis parachuted soldiers,grabbed the wreckage,teleported back on the Enterprise and hid it. Yes,Mig-21 will serve until 2050. When TEJAS will be a real 4th generation jet fighter.

 

[Windjammer]

Please don't keep displaying your radical mindset in your posts.....So only Indian Hindus are dumb, other religion people are intelligent?

If money can't buy intelligence so can't Madrassa education (laced with religious fanaticism).

Well those radical or Madrasa educated or otherwise just religious people must be doing something right that even the mega rich run to their countries to fill their own bowl of Rice.

 

[Adonis]

Well those radical or Madrasa educated or otherwise just religious people must be doing something right that even the mega rich run to their countries to fill their own bowl of Rice.

Exactly...growing rice is what they are doing right (to your question) ......mega rich are making rockets and ruling over (managing per their will) these radicals or Madrasa educated or otherwise just religious people aka rice growers...

 

[xyxmt]

Tejas is a replacement for F35

 

[Bilal9]

The Indians really ruined this program - actively ruined it. Could have been inducted 15 years ago provided the IAF bureaucracy wasn’t being influenced by special interests and HAL project management was run by a idli-sambhar party only interested in shining their resumes.

Not that I am shedding a tear for this, but Indian leadership is FAAAR more interested in lining their Swiss Bank accounts by kickbacks from imported arms, than developing any indigenous capability. The max they will allow is to import parts to cobble together something that resembles a fighter, no matter what loser capability it has. Parts import is still a glorious kickback opportunity. Kickback bhi aa gaya aur Supapawa propaganda bhi ho gaya. Win-win!

 

[SQ8]

PN doesn't have the luxury to go for indigenous platforms like IN nor do their shipyards/design bureaus have the technical capabilities to design and build one from scratch. Except for some missile/gun boats, almost all PN warships and subs are of foreign origin. Contrarily, IN has been designing and building it's platforms in local shipyards since the past two decades. For a far fetched tech like the Scorpenes, we still built all 6 of them locally. Even IN's SF arm Marcos is the most structured in terms of training, weapons procurements and organization followed by IAF's Garuds and IA's Para SF despite the later having the most operational experience

The culture of promoting local platforms and weapons systems is inbred in IN and their officers are also the most educated compared to the other two arms. IN infact actively promotes their officers to take up additional courses or degrees at foreign institutions. I'd still say IN is India's most formidable arm and PAF when it comes to pakistan


MWF is just an iteration of LCA with many of the technologies already in place or active development albeit a larger airframe with enhanced capabilities. MWF is necessary to replace all the retiring aircrafts and plug in the numbers

AMCA still requires several technologies to be developed which weren't a part of LCA like stealth, sensor integration, coatings, integrated warfare etc resulting in the development to take a lot more time

Not indigenous platforms but the "can-do" mentality in terms of getting things done. You have to be in Pakistan to know what I refer to in terms of figuring out ingenious solutions considering their primary threat completely outclasses them on paper in numbers and technology.

How many do they intend to purchase of the MWF? I mean you dont want a Kawasaki C-2 to spend $12 billion developing it and only buy 18.

 

[Zapper]

How many do they intend to purchase of the MWF? I mean you dont want a Kawasaki C-2 to spend $12 billion developing it and only buy 18.

Low numbers would definitely not be the case for MWF. IAF placed an order for 40 Mk-1s with 36 of them delivered while the last 4 are in final assembly stage. MoD/IAF also placed another order for 83 Mk-1A's showing both IAF and MoD's commitment to the LCA/MWF program

Going by the reports and rumors, we can expect 100+ MWFs irrespective of IAF going for another 2+ squadrons of Rafales or not since filling up the dwindling squadron numbers is a priority at this point

 

[Goritoes]

Teja bhai is the buzoorg of fighter jets, lets not forget we all know one buzoorg from our families or communities who talk like that he was the best in his prime, but now he spend half his day at Chai hotel and half at the home where no one listens to him.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

It seems the IN mirrors the PN in the culture with the PA and PAF behaving close to those counterparts. Im guessing that has to do with the dominant nature of the IA->IAF->IN as well.

Regardless of alliances or emotions right now the land threats to India will wrap up one way or another and the focus will be on securing resources abroad and supply chains where an expanded IN will sorely be needed.

I am surprised that the MWF and AMCA are progressing in parallel when many of their roles/capabilities overlap to some extent. Might make more sense to focus on AMCA for economies of scale purposes.

No, it doesn't, since the 80s IAF believed in force-mix. And that was the right call, just buying from a different OEM was an idiotic one.

To think of AMCA to assume the role CAP, CAS, BARCAP, HAVCAP, etc is highly idiotic,,,, its a wastage of airframe life of a VLO jet. The same case was in the aftermath of 27th Feb,,, that was a huge shortfall of IAF that they have to fly an air superiority jet for CAP during high tempo mission, and this should have never happened if IAF planned the ASQR rightly for Tejas in the 90s, or bought like 90 Gripen instead of Rafale.

The first problem in IAF is not about anything else, but a lack of platform for CAS and CAP missions, and achieving high tempo missions for a longer period.


Furthur,
Also, 99% of tech for MWF is already matured, while CDR of AMCA is not even completed. AMCA is a very high-risk program, and the rate of failure is quite high. To shut down a sound program (MWF) will be next-level idioticness.