NOW NO NEED TO FEAR from Chinese or Pakistani missiles

[knight11]

Pakistan has gliding bombs with 180KM range. In order to be safe, India would have to deploy S400 some 200 KM inside the Indian territory.

Which Pakistani glide bomb have the range of 180 KM and which fighter plane do you have with nav attack and SAR ground radar with so much range. As far as i know pakistan don't have any dedicated ground attack fighter plane, nor any AESA radar which could do that along with a2a mode simultaneously.

Nasar would start and land within 60KM radius while in order to counter it, S400 would need to travel minimally 140KM and then it would have a chance to neutralize it just before Nasr lands - but if Nasr is targetting something 30-40KM inside Indian territory or if S400 intends to intersept it in the middle of its flight path - S400 would have to cover 170KM. So Nasr has a challange to complete 30-60KM while S400 would have to cover 140-170 Kilometres just to give itself a chance.

@PARIKRAMA could explain it properly. First NASR is not a cheap rocket, which you can fire in solvo mode. Max would be 4-5 Nasr toward a base.

So good luck with your calculations.. if S400 are meant to save you from Nasr and its Nuclear Treatment, you are not safe against it. In my humble opinion.

S400 is not for nasr but to provide protection from the nuclear tip ballastic missile. However being highly mobile it could create the no fly zone in pakistani airspace, thus threatening pakistani awaac, whose removal from the battle scence is more than enough.

 

[graphican]

well you should know that we had already gone for green pines and 3d/4d radars for the same in addition to systems like SPYDER try google it to know what it actually means and the fact we as soon as you launch your "two very potent cruise missiles" it will be considered a nuclear attack by us and tell me about its speed and distance it needs to travel to get to there targets and how much time it needs bhramos to reach its target calculating its speed

point is we have already made required arangments for your "two very potent cruise missiles" and NASR and all that you mentioned earlier but what you have to stop what we have

So spider with range of 15 kilometres and the fact that despite having obtained it still made you go for S400 explains its effectiveness and your preparedness to counter what Pakistan has to offer.

It doesn't matter what India considers when it finds a missile is launched towards it. It has to assume it was a nuclear attack for the reasons but ask yourself that why should Pakistan not respond Indian aggression with the best punch it has? I mean just for the sake of argument? Do we have any less nuclear units than India? Are we short of means to deliver them? Is triade of nuclear attack in place and targeted towards India? May be you want to Goggle few things as well.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Are you really a Brit ? It doesn't seem like one for sure.

The same has happened almost 4 times,if I remember correctly.

i am a brit i just like pakistan, curtacy of some of my pakistani mates, they took me to pakistan, i loved it there. its not what you'd expect when you read the papers with all of the killings and bombings. i was in mirpuur, or some place called similar to that in kashmir. i went to india this year too. that was good too.

 

[Joseph Goebbels]

So spider with range of 15 kilometres and the fact that despite having obtained it still made you go for S400 explains its effectiveness and your preparedness to counter what Pakistan has to offer.

It doesn't matter what India considers when it finds a missile is launched towards it. It has to assume it was a nuclear attack for the reasons but ask yourself that why should Pakistan not respond Indian aggression with the best punch it has? I mean just for the sake of argument? Do we have any less nuclear units than India? Are we short of means to deliver them? Is triade of nuclear attack in place and targeted towards India? May be you want to Goggle few things as well.

so do we have only one kind on Missile/python5 with 15 Km range in SPYDER what about Derby ? Ok forget it what about other existing SAMS with India Ok forget even that as for your best punch well your first punch will be your best and posibally last cause after that it will be everything and anything we can respond with Good luck .

 

[gslv mk3]

it still made you go for S400 explains its effectiveness and your preparedness to counter what Pakistan has to offer.

how did you know that S 400 purchase was a response to Nasr missile ?

Is triade of nuclear attack in place

You're yet to have an operational triad.

Do we have any less nuclear units than India?

per area ? per population ? What about the total yield ?

 

[PARIKRAMA]

So spider with range of 15 kilometres and the fact that despite having obtained it still made you go for S400 explains its effectiveness and your preparedness to counter what Pakistan has to offer.

It doesn't matter what India considers when it finds a missile is launched towards it. It has to assume it was a nuclear attack for the reasons but ask yourself that why should Pakistan not respond Indian aggression with the best punch it has? I mean just for the sake of argument? Do we have any less nuclear units than India? Are we short of means to deliver them? Is triade of nuclear attack in place and targeted towards India? May be you want to Goggle few things as well.

Sir, you are partially right with one exception. Pakistan. Does have a right to use nukes.. In your case Nasr. What follows is an unequivocally non linear response as defined by India n doctrine.. Thus if you do want to use nasr, pls also unse all gauri shaheen and everything else too.. Bcz india's response to a TNW tactical usage will be full scale retaliation.. So better use all your N arsenal before we use it..

One more small but imp point. GOI did modify N doctrine with a line stating our response can be even to threats of actual N usage by a N nation. Clearly NFU is for non N nations. This implies clearly, in case we see NAsr TNW being deployed close to theater of operations and is deemed a threat to India formations in case of cold start, India will utilise means to neutralise.. No waiting for second strike.. This is the reason India did not go for tactical TNWs as our response guidelines are much clearer.. The S400 in a way provides the airspace security by neutralising all aircrafts drones and best IRBMs... This provides the shot in arm to do the damage to nasr and other such tactical TNWs..

We are just seeing all the right pieces now slowly accumulated for the cold start working. Come those 36 rafales and you will finally see how a combination of all existing fleet and new acquisitions kind of turns up the pressure component..

 

[gslv mk3]

i am a brit i just like pakistan, curtacy of some of my pakistani mates, they took me to pakistan, i loved it there. its not what you'd expect when you read the papers with all of the killings and bombings. i was in mirpuur, or some place called similar to that in kashmir. i went to india this year too. that was good too.

Really ?

 

[graphican]

Which Pakistani glide bomb have the range of 180 KM and which fighter plane do you have with nav attack and SAR ground radar with so much range. As far as i know pakistan don't have any dedicated ground attack fighter plane, nor any AESA radar which could do that along with a2a mode simultaneously.

H2 and H4, but its range is 120KM - I stand corrected.

@PARIKRAMA could explain it properly. First NASR is not a cheap rocket, which you can fire in solvo mode. Max would be 4-5 Nasr toward a base. [/Quote]

Nasr is 4 rockets per launcher. There is no max limit to launchers.

@PARIKRAMA
S400 is not for nasr but to provide protection from the nuclear tip ballastic missile. However being highly mobile it could create the no fly zone in pakistani airspace, thus threatening pakistani awaac, whose removal from the battle scence is more than enough.[/QUOTE]

AWACs won't be flying anywhere near the border. Indian Su-30s already have sufficient detection range and to avoid them, they will be flying well within safe zone. In order to counter AWACS, S400s would have to exist within short range from the border and that makes them vulnerable as well. If they are placed within a safe range which in my opinion is 200KM inside Indian territory, they do not crate any new challenge for Pakistan.

 

[Chika_Pika]

No, Indians need to continue living under Pakistani-Chinese fear, varna...

Aatmi quoot will nuke us

 

[Blue Marlin]

Which Pakistani glide bomb have the range of 180 KM and which fighter plane do you have with nav attack and SAR ground radar with so much range. As far as i know pakistan don't have any dedicated ground attack fighter plane, nor any AESA radar which could do that along with a2a mode simultaneously.

theres no such a bomb dont bother checking on the web, theres 2 types that can go 120km+ and thats the h4 and the takbir.

@PARIKRAMA could explain it properly. First NASR is not a cheap rocket, which you can fire in solvo mode. Max would be 4-5 Nasr toward a base.

nasr is meant to be cheap. you can fire 4 in one goo as the tel can hold 4.come on man a simple check on google images will give you the answer.

 

[Chika_Pika]

Fear of Pakistani and Chinese missiles??????....According to many indians on PDF, india is already centuries ahead of Pakistan and China and can wipe them both out in a matter of seconds. By the way I thought india's main military threat was China and Pakistan posed 0 threat to india? A bit unfair then that you have 3 S-400 batteries against Pakistan as opposed to 2 for China. If Pakistan doesn't pose any threat to india why the need?

LOL, True

 

[Blue Marlin]

Really ?

auto correct on my keyboard is messed. you try using a french canadian board on a british setup.
do you know how long i have been waiting for razor keyboard? im getting one for christmas so no point in getting one. and if you use an american mac keyboard on a uk mac setup as british your done for.

your not the only one who has doubts

 

[graphican]

Sir, you are partially right with one exception. Pakistan. Does have a right to use nukes.. In your case Nasr. What follows is an unequivocally non linear response as defined by India n doctrine.. Thus if you do want to use nasr, pls also unse all gauri shaheen and everything else too.. Bcz india's response to a TNW tactical usage will be full scale retaliation.. So better use all your N arsenal before we use it..

One more small but imp point. GOI did modify N doctrine with a line stating our response can be even to threats of actual N usage by a N nation. Clearly NFU is for non N nations. This implies clearly, in case we see NAsr TNW being deployed close to theater of operations and is deemed a threat to India formations in case of cold start, India will utilise means to neutralise.. No waiting for second strike.. This is the reason India did not go for tactical TNWs as our response guidelines are much clearer.. The S400 in a way provides the airspace security by neutralising all aircrafts drones and best IRBMs... This provides the shot in arm to do the damage to nasr and other such tactical TNWs..

We are just seeing all the right pieces now slowly accumulated for the cold start working. Come those 36 rafales and you will finally see how a combination of all existing fleet and new acquisitions kind of turns up the pressure component..

Nasr is based on a mobile launcher, almost as big or small as small container caring truck. If you think their deployment would be seen first and then Indian would respond is nonsensical. Nasr is probably deployed within hours while mechanised divisions which it is meant to neutralize take weeks. India would have to show its aggressiveness first before it is able to assume that Nasr are deployed. By the way, who knows Nasr are already deployed? Its nevertheless one solo standing stuck.

 

[gslv mk3]

H2 and H4, but its range is 120KM

Depends on the altitude

 

[DavidSling]

So spider with range of 15 kilometres and the fact that despite having obtained it still made you go for S400 explains its effectiveness and your preparedness to counter what Pakistan has to offer.

It doesn't matter what India considers when it finds a missile is launched towards it. It has to assume it was a nuclear attack for the reasons but ask yourself that why should Pakistan not respond Indian aggression with the best punch it has? I mean just for the sake of argument? Do we have any less nuclear units than India? Are we short of means to deliver them? Is triade of nuclear attack in place and targeted towards India? May be you want to Goggle few things as well.

One missile defense system wouldn't defend from all kind of missiles.
Israel's missile defense for example (from upper tier to lowest tier)
exoatmospheric interception system. (Arrow 3)
System against very long range ballistic missiles. (Arrow 2)
System against medium to long range ballistic missiles. (David Sling)(Patriot)
System against low range missiles.(Iron Dome)
Laser system.(Iron Beam)
Most likely the system against medium to long range missiles will serve as a system against various threats such as Aircrafts,UAV's,Cruise missiles and so on.