Notify PAF Aircraft Crashes

[Amavous]

The army aviation aircraft that crashed last year has absolutely nothing to do with today's tragedy. Strange you are even comparing the two as if the aviation pilots were performing aerobatics that day.

I was not comparing both crashes. I am just stressing the point that today's crash as bad it is could have been worst if any damage on ground happened which was a real possibility given that it was a populated area.

And all that risk for what? putting up a daring show for the masses, does it worth it? all this after knowing that most of our hardware is old and hard to come by and lives lost are irreplaceable

 

[Kingslayerr]

Waste of a precisous life, irreplaceable experience, and our main jet just for the sake of power showcasing, fun and games. RIP

 

[Windjammer]

@Adam_Khan



Jet Fighter Crashes During Exhibition Flight, Killing Pilot
SHARON HERBAUGHOctober 8, 1989

NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ A Mirage 2000 fighter jet crashed and exploded Sunday during a final acrobatic maneuver on Indian Air Force Day, killing the pilot who had attempted an extra roll, officials said.

No one on the ground was killed, but some of the 2,000 spectators suffered sprained ankles or bruises running to or from the site, they said.

The silver delta-winged aircraft of French design was completing a climb known as a ″Vertical Charlie″ when it plunged to the ground about 300 yards from a reviewing stand at Palam Airport in west New Delhi.



Military and civilian dignitaries, journalists and other guests had watched the parade of 650 enlisted men and an aerial display.



The pilot, identified as Wing Commander Ramesh Bakshi, the 39-year-old commander of the Mirage squadron, was killed instantly, Air Force Chief Marshal S.K. Mehra said.



He told reporters the accident apparently was caused by ″an error in judgment.″



Mehra said the sky was hazy and may have disoriented Bakshi. The plane was about 18 feet from the ground when the pilot tried the maneuver, he said.



The Mirage was completing the final flyby during the parade marking the 57th anniversary of the Indian air force and honoring its 115,000 officers.



Air Marshal N.C. Suri, vice chief of the air staff, said Bakshi was only supposed to perform three rolls in the finale. Instead, the officer said, he attempted four.



The plane made a steep climb, then descended making three loops and rolls, he said. After failing to complete a fourth roll, the pilot was unable to pull out of the descent and the plane hurtled to the ground, he said.



Some spectators gasped and several air force wives ran toward the burning wreckage.



The aircraft slammed into the ground, exploded and bounced three times through fuel tanks, igniting a huge fireball. Several vehicles parked in the area were badily damaged by the burning chunks.



The Mirage is capable of flying up to 1,460 miles an hour at an altitude of 65,600 feet.



The Indian air force bought 49 Mirage 2000 planes between 1982 and 1986.

 

[Adam_Khan]

Based on that logic most air forces should stop aerobatics because of the inherent risk that it carries. Yet most go on in spite similar tragedies. On that logic PAF should also cut down on combat pilot training because there's a risk of an accident at such high speed and altitude. Noman Akram was PAF's cream of the crop so there was no "showboating" going on. Every maneuver is carefully calibrated and planned. We still do not know what happened. But everyone on PDF is either a military expert or appears to have foresight of everything even before the details are out..this is apparent from the ludicrous comments on "no lessons learnt". Every thread goes into hundreds of pages but there are only a small proportion of comments or insights worth reading. The army aviation aircraft that crashed last year has absolutely nothing to do with today's tragedy. Strange you are even comparing the two as if the aviation pilots were performing aerobatics that day.

What happened today was a tragedy that is hard to express. Its the sort of news you do not want to hear. We lost a crucial aircraft but that loss will be made up in due course. The loss of our best pilot will be hard to fill. Stopping F-16 aerobatics after this accident because we are too afraid of losing an aircraft only reflects fear and lack of confidence in your pilots, technicians and equipment.

Losing the OC of the most elite squadron in the airforce and that too in low level aerobatics is certainly more avoidable..

Just so you guys know a US marine corps CO was fired recently just because he flew as GIBS during a flypast where he flew low and fast,might be wrong here but the only way to prevent accidents is strict accountability and not this faith that you'd get away with it.

I'm talking about all this because I've got a brother who flies fighters for the airforce and I won't want any family to lose it's near and dear ones in preventable accidents like this.

Here is the link.
https://www.military.com/daily-news...ing-too-low-and-too-fast-during-ceremony.html

 

[NeonNinja]

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un

 

[litman]

Based on that logic most air forces should stop aerobatics because of the inherent risk that it carries. Yet most go on in spite similar tragedies. On that logic PAF should also cut down on combat pilot training because there's a risk of an accident at such high speed and altitude. Noman Akram was PAF's cream of the crop so there was no "showboating" going on. Every maneuver is carefully calibrated and planned. We still do not know what happened. But everyone on PDF is either a military expert or appears to have foresight of everything even before the details are out..this is apparent from the ludicrous comments on "no lessons learnt". Every thread goes into hundreds of pages but there are only a small proportion of comments or insights worth reading. The army aviation aircraft that crashed last year has absolutely nothing to do with today's tragedy. Strange you are even comparing the two as if the aviation pilots were performing aerobatics that day.

What happened today was a tragedy that is hard to express. Its the sort of news you do not want to hear. We lost a crucial aircraft but that loss will be made up in due course. The loss of our best pilot will be hard to fill. Stopping F-16 aerobatics after this accident because we are too afraid of losing an aircraft only reflects fear and lack of confidence in your pilots, technicians and equipment.

air shows and aerobatics do have a purpose. they attract the youth towards joining air force. so they are not purposeless at all. but being a resource constrained air force of a poor country PAF should reduce the frequency of carrying out such displays. we cant afford losing our most capable jets in public displays. right now F-16 is the most capable jet in the PAF and there seems to be no chance of getting any more of these birds and even if we get them we will have to pay a lot. we should not stop this at all but act maturely and reduce the frequency of such events. pakistan is not russia or USA who are producing the jets at a large scale.

 

[Cuirassier]

G Loc as he would've bailed out if conscious.

 

[Adam_Khan]

G Loc as he would've bailed out if conscious.

He ejected but did not survive,could have posted the picture of his body here but that would be too offensive so won't.

 

[NeonNinja]

I pray to Allah to give enough strength to his family members to bear this profound grief and may the departed soul rest in peace.

 

[Windjammer]

Another theory doing rounds is that it was a bird strike,

 

[Cuirassier]

Didnt see any ejection, are there any videos?

He ejected but did not survive,could have posted the picture of his body here but that would be too offensive so won't.

 

[Windjammer]

Didnt see any ejection, are there any videos?

None of the videos are clear to show the last few seconds before the crash....however it's known that sometimes the pilot is thrown clear upon impact....happened to one of our F-104 pilots during 1965 and a British Hunter pilot more recently.

 

[loanranger]

Big loss loosing him. I don't care about the jet.However, things should continue as they have always. High risk profession for a reason.

 

[StormBreaker]

Well said.

A piece of somewhat better news is that the body has been recovered intact Alhamdullilah.

The aircraft didn't hit in a complete nose dive. It was a belly hit.

Janaza of Wg. Cmdr Nauman Akram is to be held at AHQ, Islamabad at Maghrib.

Belly hit !!!
Nothing else that resembles the thunderbird incident...

 

[Sc0lar_Vis@ri]

Sad for any soldier to go like this. RIP and may God give strength to his family to get through this tough time.