North Waziristan: 5 militants killed including IED experts

[ghazwaehind786]

If they REALLY believed in Allah (SWT) they would not be hating Pakistan and killing Pakistanis. Not ONLY are they KAFFIR but they are BIGGER KAFFIRS/HYPOCRITES than idol-worshippers, devil-worshippers/satanists and Freemasonic/illuminati types. At least they don't hide their sins and true intentions like ttp do.

Provide Quranic or Hadith evidence to prove their kaffirs. If you cannot than shut up.
Killing someone is a grave sin but it doesn’t make one a kaffir. Learn Islam or don’t speak

 

[Areesh]

Kharijites - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

We know what Khwarij are

But @PAKISTANFOREVER takfiri posts are stupid and always result in derailing the thread like this one. He has even called Indian muslims munafiqs and kafirs and whatnot just because the don't like Pakistan.

Khwarij are the most hated group of people in Islam. But even then they are not clearly called kafirs

He even wants TTP fighters to be cremated. Weird nonsense that this guy comes up with and destroys the whole thread

 

[ghazwaehind786]

They're remains should be cremated and dumped in to the river ganges as per the religious rituals of the religion they TRUELY follow.

Cremating is haram to do to any human remains. Khawarij are not kaffirs.
@waz this guy should get a warning from trolling. He’s takfiring without any Islamic knowledge.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Provide Quranic or Hadith evidence to prove their kaffirs. If you cannot than shut up.
Killing someone is a grave sin but it doesn’t make one a kaffir. Learn Islam or don’t speak

Is worshipping indian hindus, being their slaves and killing innocent Muslims at the behest of idol-worshippers your criteria for being a Muslim? If so then you can shut-up and become an idol-worshippper slave yourself.

Cremating is haram to do to any human remains. Khawarij are not kaffirs.
@waz this guy should get a warning from trolling. He’s takfiring without any Islamic knowledge.

So according to you, worshipping indian hindus, being their slaves and killing innocent Muslims at the behest of indian hindus is a criteria for being a Muslim?.................brilliant logic!.........

 

[ghazwaehind786]

It's even worse! You become a Murted when you revolt against a Muslim state on behalf of the Kuffar! And, the Katl of the Murtedin is Vejip....

Oh please, you internet molvis are the new takfiris now? This argument can be used against many and this very argument is what ttp used in the first place to fight Pakistan. They said we allied with usa against Taliban so called us murtad because we supported nato and west against a Muslim state.
You see why it’s problematic for every Tom, Dick and Harry to become takfiri molvis?
Stop the takfiring even khawarij are not considered kaffirs just misguided Muslims who we are fond to fight.

@The Eagle @waz @Foxtrot Alpha please stop the takfiring happening in this thread. It’s detailing the thread and breaking forum roles

TTP kills unarmed children at the behest of its Indian Hindutva masters. These people are not Muslim. TTP are Khawarijis.

Khawarij are still considered Muslim look at the view of Imam Shafi R.A and his saying about them

Is worshipping indian hindus, being their slaves and killing innocent Muslims at the behest of idol-worshippers your criteria for being a Muslim? If so then you can shut-up and become an idol-worshippper slave yourself.







So according to you, worshipping indian hindus, being their slaves and killing innocent Muslims at the behest of indian hindus is a criteria for being a Muslim?.................brilliant logic!.........

@WebMaster hes clearly detailing the thread and turning it into a religious takfiring debate. He’s breaking forum roles by takfiring Muslims and derailing the thread

If so then you can shut-up and become an idol-worshippper slave yourself.

Please learn Islam before you speak. Learn the difference between kaffir and khawarij. Don’t he ignorant. Learn the punishment for falsely accusing a Muslim of being a kaffir. Learn what sins can take you out of the fold of Islam and what can’t.
May Allah guide you

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Oh please, you internet molvis are the new takfiris now? This argument can be used against many and this very argument is what ttp used in the first place to fight Pakistan. They said we allied with usa against Taliban so called us murtad because we supported nato and west against a Muslim state.
You see why it’s problematic for every Tom, Dick and Harry to become takfiri molvis?
Stop the takfiring even khawarij are not considered kaffirs just misguided Muslims who we are fond to fight.

@The Eagle @waz @Foxtrot Alpha please stop the takfiring happening in this thread. It’s detailing the thread and breaking forum roles


Khawarij are still considered Muslim look at the view of Imam Shafi R.A and his saying about them

These are the inferences made by the Ottoman scholars for the importance of a Muslim State is of sublime value in Islam. Now, if the majority of the Pak folks say Pakistan is not a Muslim State, and TTP aren't proxies of the Kuffar I have nothing to say...

Pak calls her soldiers Shehit when they die fighting bastards of India like Mukti Bahini, TTP, BLA etc....

 

[ghazwaehind786]

These are the inferences made by the Ottoman scholars for the importance of a Muslim State is of sublime value in Islam. Now, if the majority of the Pak folks say Pakistan is not a Muslim State, and TTP aren't proxies of the Kuffar I have nothing to say...

Ttp are khawarij. Their not kaffirs. Majority of Pakistan are against them.
Imam Shafi R.A. is the imam of one of the school of fiqhs in Sunni Islam. Majority of Sunni scholars and all schools of fiqh have the view that khawarij are not kaffirs. Ottomans followed these schools of fiqh and majority were hanafi or shafi fiqh which don’t consider khawarij as kaffirs. I know the importance of a Muslim state however Pakistan isn’t the caliphate and criticizing it or not liking it does not make a Muslim a kaffir.
Btw I’m a patriotic Pakistani and love Pakistan but I’m not a takfiri

I think you're a Hindutva, for Pak calls her soldiers Shehit when they die fighting bastards of India like Mukti Bahini, TTP, BLA etc....

Since you can’t provide evidence for your takfiring you resorted to personal abuses and called me a hindutva now.
And never once did I say Pakistani soldiers fighting khawarij or kaffirs are not shaheed. I know their shaheed but I’m just saying you can’t takfir others and khawarjj are not considered kaffirs. We’re told to fight khawarij and that their dogs of hell however following the view of Imam Shafi R.A. they are not considered kaffirs

 

[waz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495342414990565379

They're described by the Prophet(saws) as the dogs of hell, indeed they are.

Brothers can we please stop the debate. Yes it's true they are Kwarij and they are described as evil deviants.

Here is their description as you can see they fit it to the tee;

15 Characteristics of the Khawarij - What Did the Kharijites Believe?

Who are Khawarij? 15 characteristics of the Khawarij mentioned in hadith, as they possess no true knowledge nor do they strive to attain it.

www.aljumuah.com

 

[khansaheeb]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495299852095397889

We need to go after who is financing these young poor fools to their death.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Man! I am so proud of our snipers, look at those perfect eye-popper shots

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495342414990565379

 

[Irfan Baloch]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495342414990565379

many clean head shots are evident on dead terrorists.
great way to ensure instant kill and avoid any explosion from body explosives .

Fitne and Fesat are worse than murder....

enough

no more responding to pro Takfiri khawarij scumbag posters.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

ANYONE who is anti-Pakistani or who attacks Pakistan is NOT a REAL Muslim and is a KAFFIR of the HIGHEST ORDER.

and anyone who objects to criticisng TTP is a munafiq. TTP , Daesh itself is Takfiri that declares Muslims as Kafirs but that doesnt seem to bother the covert supporters of these extremists and they tell us not to use the terms which are befitting.

Hazrat Ali RA was correct when he said that Takfiris and khawarij will last till end of days and will spill the blood of Muslims. cursing them is justfied because they are correctly called Hounds of Hell who will recite Holy Quran but it will never go below their throats and they will be removed from islam like a a shot arrow is from a bow.

 

[Big_bud]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495342414990565379

Considering the history of use of weapons left by Russians in Afghanistan. And what misery those weapons brought to the Afghanis + Pakistanis. Pakistan should have bombed the shit out of Ex-US military depos so that those weapons don't reach wrong hands. We are already seeing TTP using Humvees and M5s. They will have or maybe already have access to night vision googles and what not. With spoilers running wild in the region we should have not let that happen in the first place! What a fukin pity & disgrace! Instead of flaunting tea cups in Kabul, ISI chief should have suggested to carpet bomb and destruct any ammunition depo otherwise it would create chaos & pain for decades to come for Pakistanis! May Allah give strength to our forces and save us from all evil! Amen

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Is worshipping indian hindus, being their slaves and killing innocent Muslims at the behest of idol-worshippers your criteria for being a Muslim? If so then you can shut-up and become an idol-worshippper slave yourself.







So according to you, worshipping indian hindus, being their slaves and killing innocent Muslims at the behest of indian hindus is a criteria for being a Muslim?.................brilliant logic!.........

During the coup against Reis Erdogan a in 2016, a number of FETO members got killed. As per the Fetva from the Turkish Religious Directortate they were dumped into the unmarked holes without any Ghusl, Jenaza etc. ....

Now, some folks might argue they understand Fikh regarding the matters of the State better than the scholars specialized in those fields....

 

[ghazwaehind786]

and anyone who objects to criticisng TTP is a munafiq. TTP , Daesh itself is Takfiri that declares Muslims as Kafirs but that doesnt seem to bother the covert supporters of these extremists and they tell us not to use the terms which are befitting.

Hazrat Ali RA was correct when he said that Takfiris and khawarij will last till end of days and will spill the blood of Muslims. cursing them is justfied because they are correctly called Hounds of Hell who will recite Holy Quran but it will never go below their throats and they will be removed from islam like a a shot arrow is from a bow.

No one is objecting to criticism against ttp. Everyone is agreeing they are khawarij. Everyone agrees to fight and kill khawarij.

The issue is some posters takfiring everyone who is anti pak or classifying khawarij as kaffirs. Khawarij however evil they are are not considered kaffir by majority of scholars. Imam Shafi R.A. the founder of the Shafi school of fiqh in Islam his view was they are not kaffirs.

They're described by the Prophet(saws) as the dogs of hell, indeed they are.

Brothers can we please stop the debate. Yes it's true they are Kwarij and they are described as evil deviants.

Here is their description as you can see they fit it to the tee;

15 Characteristics of the Khawarij - What Did the Kharijites Believe?

Who are Khawarij? 15 characteristics of the Khawarij mentioned in hadith, as they possess no true knowledge nor do they strive to attain it.

www.aljumuah.com

Now, some folks might argue they understand Fikh regarding the matters of the State better than the scholars specialized in those fields....

I’m sure no one alive right now knows fiqh better then the founders of the schools of fiqh. Imam Maliki R.A. student, Imam Shafi R.A. held the view of khawarij not being considered kaffirs. Even Imam Abu Hanifa didn’t classify khawarij as kaffirs. Turkey is mostly Hanafi sect. No one in Turkey knows better then Imam Abu Hanifa the founder of Hanafi school of fiqh