No US carrier strike group in Western Pacific

[Beidou2020]

The US military has been operating in China’s near abroad for decades and all we hear from China is crying and warnings. We operate, at will.


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The US military could cripple Chinese naval operations at the outset of any conflict if it chose. That graph I posted above is just of ground launched weapons. That doesn’t include the second outer layer of strike assets, which is exponentially larger. That second outer layer is the US Navy and Air Force. Four B-1 bombers alone can carry up to 96 LRASM missiles. LRASMs are the most advanced antiship cruise missiles in the world. Any PLAN operations will be stopped in it’s tracks.

And this doesn’t include US hypersonic assets that will be entering the region in the next several years. So you need to understand Poobah, that if China falls out of line it will be crushed into the face of the Earth. There’s a reason China hasn’t touched Taiwan in the last 70+ years, because China knows its an inferior force. It seems you need to come to grips with reality.

When US warned China about building islands in the SCS, China not only built the islands but stationed weapons on those islands. What did the US do? Absolutely nothing. China took the Scarborough Shoal without firing a shot. What did the US do? Absolutely nothing.
You want to know why the US military didn’t do anything to China? Because US leaders know any war with China will result in humiliation for the US military and the myth of US superpower status. They would rather not fight and pretend that the US is invincible rather than fight and get humiliated.

You want to know why the US military hasn’t touched North Korea for 70 years? Because the US military got their *** kicked in the Korean War by the Chinese Volunteer Army. Even when the gap between US and China was at its widest during 1950’s the US military failed to defeat China and take North Korea.

US got humiliated in the Korean War and Vietnam War and Communist governments run both countries. North Korea even has a nuclear arsenal now. US can’t even topple the Castros in Cuba, Maduro in Venezuela or Assad in Syria. Russia took Crimea without firing a shot. Iran destroyed US military bases in Iraq and you were too scared to retaliate. US superpower is a myth propagated by the Western propaganda mouthpieces.

US couldn’t stop China in the past, you can’t stop China now and you won’t be touching China in the future. China will continue to get stronger while the US continue to get weaker.

 

[riscol]

Very valid points, US as the world superpower is nothing but illusion

 

[F-22Raptor]

When US warned China about building islands in the SCS, China not only built the islands but stationed weapons on those islands. What did the US do? Absolutely nothing. China took the Scarborough Shoal without firing a shot. What did the US do? Absolutely nothing.
You want to know why the US military didn’t do anything to China? Because US leaders know any war with China will result in humiliation for the US military and the myth of US superpower status. They would rather not fight and pretend that the US is invincible rather than fight and get humiliated.

You want to know why the US military hasn’t touched North Korea for 70 years? Because the US military got their *** kicked in the Korean War by the Chinese Volunteer Army. Even when the gap between US and China was at its widest during 1950’s the US military failed to defeat China and take North Korea.

US got humiliated in the Korean War and Vietnam War and Communist governments run both countries. North Korea even has a nuclear arsenal now. US can’t even topple the Castros in Cuba, Maduro in Venezuela or Assad in Syria. Russia took Crimea without firing a shot. Iran destroyed US military bases in Iraq and you were too scared to retaliate. US superpower is a myth propagated by the Western propaganda mouthpieces.

US couldn’t stop China in the past, you can’t stop China now and you won’t be touching China in the future. China will continue to get stronger while the US continue to get weaker.

China was so in awe of the US military after the First Gulf War that it studied the US military for the past 25+ years and modeled itself after it across its entire forces. That really says it all. You also have a very poor understanding of capability versus intent.

China can't retake Taiwan because it knows it can't. That's the reality of the situation. Meanwhile, the US will keep operating in China's near abroad on a daily basis.

 

[Raphael]

China was so in awe of the US military after the First Gulf War that it studied the US military for the past 25+ years and modeled itself after it across its entire forces. That really says it all. You also have a very poor understanding of capability versus intent.

China can't retake Taiwan because it knows it can't. That's the reality of the situation. Meanwhile, the US will keep operating in China's near abroad on a daily basis.

Sounds like you're living in the past. No one is denying US military preponderance in 1990 Gulf War era. But you can't seem to formulate a real response to the substantive point Beidou raised: How come US didn't assist its treaty ally PH to recover Scarborough Shore in 2012? If China had enough firepower to deter USN in 2012, what does the balance of power look like in 2020, after 8 years of surging military expansion and modernization by China, compared to 8 years of stagnation and decay by the US?

Now USN's chain of command is in disarray after Captain Crozier was booted for trying to stop bodies of sailors piling up and stop his nuclear carrier from being turned into a floating cemetery, by exposing gross negligence in containing the pandemic. No US sailors can have confidence or morale in their mission, knowing now they are just expendable meat shields and cannon fodder for the Pentagon's war ambitions.

 

[riscol]

Fair assessment straight to the point from Raphael. A recent article did mention a senior officer saying he would not want to be on a US Carrier sailing in the South China Sea out of fear of being hit by Chinese ballistic missiles. That shows he already lost confidence in the US Navy if they went ahead confronting the Chinese in their territory.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Sounds like you're living in the past. No one is denying US military preponderance in 1990 Gulf War era. But you can't seem to formulate a real response to the substantive point Beidou raised: How come US didn't assist its treaty ally PH to recover Scarborough Shore in 2012? If China had enough firepower to deter USN in 2012, what does the balance of power look like in 2020, after 8 years of surging military expansion and modernization by China, compared to 8 years of stagnation and decay by the US?

Now USN's chain of command is in disarray after Captain Crozier was booted for trying to stop bodies of sailors piling up and stop his nuclear carrier from being turned into a floating cemetery, by exposing gross negligence in containing the pandemic. No US sailors can have confidence or morale in their mission, knowing now they are just expendable meat shields and cannon fodder for the Pentagon's war ambitions.

It's simple, the US is not going to war with China over the Scarborough Shoal, and yet you already knew that. Just like its not going to war with Russia over Crimea. Taiwan is a completely different story, there is no comparison.

The reality is that China can't retake Taiwan because it knows it can't. That's the grim reality for China. The US military just began its largest modernization effort since the Reagan era. You will begin to see those investments in the Western Pacific in the coming years.

 

[rott]

Someone gives the viet a banana so he will stop spewing nonsense.

You can use mine for him.

 

[Song Hong]

USA is hopeless within 1st and 2nd Island chain.

It's simple, the US is not going to war with China over the Scarborough Shoal, and yet you already knew that. Just like its not going to war with Russia over Crimea. Taiwan is a completely different story, there is no comparison.

The reality is that China can't retake Taiwan because it knows it can't. That's the grim reality for China. The US military just began its largest modernization effort since the Reagan era. You will begin to see those investments in the Western Pacific in the coming years.

 

[riscol]

Does he has a particular craving for bananas? If Rott's is big enough to fill his whole mouth just fire it up, you have our blessing

 

[Raphael]

It's simple, the US is not going to war with China over the Scarborough Shoal

We know this fact already, the real question it raises, and the one you keep evading, is why? I know the US wouldn't hesitate to stop China during your cherished 1990 Gulf War era. What changed in the 22 years between then and 2012 to make the US more cowardly and more neglectful of obligations to treaty allies like PH? And what has changed in the 8 years between 2012 and 2020, and will continue to change?

It seems you have a very difficult time mentally reconciling yourself to the momentous, breakneck changes in the regional balance of power. But closing your eyes to the facts won't help.

 

[Kyle Sun]

That also means no one to stop China in South China Sea.

Stop China from what ???
No one is gonna blow up the ocean.

 

[F-22Raptor]

We know this fact already, the real question it raises, and the one you keep evading, is why? I know the US wouldn't hesitate to stop China during your cherished 1990 Gulf War era. What changed in the 22 years between then and 2012 to make the US more cowardly and more neglectful of obligations to treaty allies like PH? And what has changed in the 8 years between 2012 and 2020, and will continue to change?

It seems you have a very difficult time mentally reconciling yourself to the momentous, breakneck changes in the regional balance of power. But closing your eyes to the facts won't help.

No one gives a damn about the Scarborough Shoal. That hasn't fundamentally altered the balance of power in the Western Pacific. Meanwhile, a successful invasion of Taiwan by China would. This must be difficult for you to grasp. There is no comparison between the two.

You can keep yapping all you want abut a worthless sand dune, while the US reinforces its defense posture in the Western Pacific in the coming years. US lethality is set to increase exponentially. Meanwhile, Taiwan continues life as a de facto independent state.

 

[Song Hong]

Taiwan is not defensible. This has already been established by Pentagon.

No one gives a damn about the Scarborough Shoal. That hasn't fundamentally altered the balance of power in the Western Pacific. Meanwhile, a successful invasion of Taiwan by China would. This must be difficult for you to grasp. There is no comparison between the two.

You can keep yapping all you want abut a worthless sand dune, while the US reinforces its defense posture in the Western Pacific in the coming years. US lethality is set to increase exponentially. Meanwhile, Taiwan continues life as a de facto independent state.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Taiwan is not defensible. This has already been established by Pentagon.

The report serves as the rollout of a new strategy, which Davidson appears to have branded as “Regain the Advantage.”

“Regain the Advantage is designed to persuade potential adversaries that any preemptive military action will be extremely costly and likely fail by projecting credible combat power at the time of crisis, and provides the President and Secretary of Defense with several flexible deterrent options to include full OPLAN [operation plan] execution, if it becomes necessary,” Davidson wrote.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...-deter-china-and-why-congress-may-approve-it/


In the opinion of the top commander of US forces in the Pacific, a US investment of $20 billion dollars over 2021-2026 into highly survivable precision strike networks and integrated air defenses dispersed across the Western Pacific will be sufficient enough to deter and if necessary defeat any Chinese preemptive military action.

 

[Song Hong]

There are still a few cards. One of them is controlling vital choke points especially Straits of Malacca, whereby at the moment, China is not able to project herself there.

The report serves as the rollout of a new strategy, which Davidson appears to have branded as “Regain the Advantage.”

“Regain the Advantage is designed to persuade potential adversaries that any preemptive military action will be extremely costly and likely fail by projecting credible combat power at the time of crisis, and provides the President and Secretary of Defense with several flexible deterrent options to include full OPLAN [operation plan] execution, if it becomes necessary,” Davidson wrote.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...-deter-china-and-why-congress-may-approve-it/


In the opinion of the top commander of US forces in the Pacific, a US investment of $20 billion dollars over 2021-2026 into highly survivable precision strike networks and integrated air defenses dispersed across the Western Pacific will be sufficient enough to deter and if necessary defeat any Chinese preemptive military action.