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No Untouchables Among Hindus Until Islamic Invasions: Vishwa HINDU Parishad'

I think he is saying that Caste system was a different thing before the Islamic invasions from the East,not that i agree with this statement
The origins of untouchability can be traced back to the times when the Aryans invaded India around 1500 BC. They looked down upon the indigenous people as culturally and racially inferior. While some of the indigenous people escaped into the jungles, the rest of them were subdued and incorporated into the Aryan society as inferior castes.

In the Later-Vedic period, the people who escaped into the jungles began to be called Chandalas. There was a lot of stigma against the Chandalas in the Later-Vedic period, but untouchability on a large scale appeared only between 600 BC and 200 AD.

Manu holds that the four Varnas originated from different parts of Purusha: the Brahmans from his mouth, the Kshyatriyas from his arms, the Vaishyas from his thighs, and the Shudras from his feet. Rest of the Castes came into being as a result of alliances among the four Varnas.

The two important theories pertaining to the origin of untouchability are as follows:

The first theory says that the discovery that the Indus valley people spoke a proto- Dravidian language suggests that the people conquered by the Aryans were Dravidians. They subsequently moved down south and subjugated the indigenous people there. When Aryan influence spread to the South, the Varna system and the “untouchability” came into existence.

Thus, the Dalits were among the original tribes of South India, who became isolated from the rest of the world and so were looked down upon by others. They belonged to the first wave of Dravidians who emigrated to the South and were subsequently won over by a more civilized wave who forced them to live as manual laborers.

Why the Aryans developed a social organization wherein the Chandalas occupied the lowest position is answered by the “mixed caste” theory offered by Manu. This theory explains the existence of the four Varnas as divinely-ordained and the other castes outside the Varna scheme as a result of unlawful sexual alliances between men and women of different Varnas.

The Chandala resulted as the offspring of a Brahman woman and a Shudra man. Four other groups were also included among the “untouchables”. In the years after 200 AD, “untouchability” came to include more groups.

The label Chandala came to be used to refer to all those at the bottom of society. This oversimplifies what over a period of time a far more complex process. The number of “untouchable” castes always exceeded the number of mixed origin castes, so obviously other considerations influenced the classification system. This theory accords priority to Varna rather than Jati.

To explain the origin of untouchability, recent theories have used components such as race and the concern for racial purity when races interact; the subjugation of diverse groups by the technologically superior Aryans; the division of labor as migrant Aryans settled down adopting agricultural and then urban ways of life; incorporation of new tribes, new guilds, and new religious sect into the Aryan society.

Dalits and the Origin of Untouchability in India: Origin of Untouchability
 
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* Save the holy cow from being converted, prevent breeding with Jersey or Holstein varieties
lmfao, holy shit I'm in tears
Even cows have castes depending on their actions during previous reincarnations. High caste holy cows may not mix with lower caste cows like Jersey or Holstein just like a good Hindu should not mix with Anglos or Jews :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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isupportaap in his stupidity has posted an article that portrays the VHP in good light :lol:

This is the key to what Singhal says,

The VHP patriarch alleged, "Islamic invaders had, many centuries ago, compelled a section of Hindus to take up menial tasks like scavenging as they had refused to convert to Islam despite untold acts of oppression."

"The time has come to set right this wrong. I call upon Hindus to give the Dalits the respect they deserve. They must, henceforth, be viewed not as untouchables but as Dharmyoddhas -- those who chose to engage in menial tasks and suffer humiliation but did not agree to give up their Dharma," Singhal said.


I agree with Singhal, The Dalits must henceforth be called Dharmyoddhas :tup:


Not the patronising "harijan" Gandhi choose. :tdown:
 
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The origins of untouchability can be traced back to the times when the Aryans invaded India around 1500 BC. They looked down upon the indigenous people as culturally and racially inferior. While some of the indigenous people escaped into the jungles, the rest of them were subdued and incorporated into the Aryan society as inferior castes.

In the Later-Vedic period, the people who escaped into the jungles began to be called Chandalas. There was a lot of stigma against the Chandalas in the Later-Vedic period, but untouchability on a large scale appeared only between 600 BC and 200 AD.

Manu holds that the four Varnas originated from different parts of Purusha: the Brahmans from his mouth, the Kshyatriyas from his arms, the Vaishyas from his thighs, and the Shudras from his feet. Rest of the Castes came into being as a result of alliances among the four Varnas.

The two important theories pertaining to the origin of untouchability are as follows:

The first theory says that the discovery that the Indus valley people spoke a proto- Dravidian language suggests that the people conquered by the Aryans were Dravidians. They subsequently moved down south and subjugated the indigenous people there. When Aryan influence spread to the South, the Varna system and the “untouchability” came into existence.

Thus, the Dalits were among the original tribes of South India, who became isolated from the rest of the world and so were looked down upon by others. They belonged to the first wave of Dravidians who emigrated to the South and were subsequently won over by a more civilized wave who forced them to live as manual laborers.

Why the Aryans developed a social organization wherein the Chandalas occupied the lowest position is answered by the “mixed caste” theory offered by Manu. This theory explains the existence of the four Varnas as divinely-ordained and the other castes outside the Varna scheme as a result of unlawful sexual alliances between men and women of different Varnas.

The Chandala resulted as the offspring of a Brahman woman and a Shudra man. Four other groups were also included among the “untouchables”. In the years after 200 AD, “untouchability” came to include more groups.

The label Chandala came to be used to refer to all those at the bottom of society. This oversimplifies what over a period of time a far more complex process. The number of “untouchable” castes always exceeded the number of mixed origin castes, so obviously other considerations influenced the classification system. This theory accords priority to Varna rather than Jati.

To explain the origin of untouchability, recent theories have used components such as race and the concern for racial purity when races interact; the subjugation of diverse groups by the technologically superior Aryans; the division of labor as migrant Aryans settled down adopting agricultural and then urban ways of life; incorporation of new tribes, new guilds, and new religious sect into the Aryan society.

Dalits and the Origin of Untouchability in India: Origin of Untouchability

Your whole argument is based on a false theory of Aryan Invasion

same things can be said about other islamic extremist groups too why generalize?because it's bad we must not support any of these radical extremist group no matter how good you think they are these bunch of lunatics are conservative idiots who vandalize mosques and churches beat up women's come on dude stop being an ignorant bhakt already

Isolated incidents conducted by Far right Hindu Groups,but that doesn't mean you will label the whole of Right Extremist & I Urge you to stop using names
 
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Good,It's time we stopped using the word Dalit and use the word "DharamYoddha"
We need to eradicate the Castes and make Hindus a single entity.
I see rivers of butthurt flowing from Sickulars,libtards,AAPtards,commies as they don't want Hindus to be united.But popular opinion is going against them,the more they mudsling on Hinduism,the more Hindus will get their "Secular Shock Treatment" and realise the Secularism they were fighting,is being used by others as a beating stick only to beat Hindus,while the rest keep harping on Secularism for hindu consumption, but for them their religion comes first.
 
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This isupportaap is the only untouchable in PDF,he only post troll war threads and tag terrorist sympathisers for discussion.
Good,It's time we stopped using the word Dalit and use the word "DharamYoddha"
We need to eradicate the Castes and make Hindus a single entity.
I see rivers of butthurt flowing from Sickulars,libtards,AAPtards,commies as they don't want Hindus to be united.But popular opinion is going against them,the more they mudsling on Hinduism,the more Hindus will get their "Secular Shock Treatment" and realise the Secularism they were fighting,is being used by others as a beating stick only to beat Hindus,while the rest keep harping on Secularism for hindu consumption, but for them their religion comes first.
 
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This isupportaap is the only untouchable in PDF,he only post troll war threads and tag terrorist sympathisers for discussion.
That's what i said before about him, No matter how i hate libtards,AAPtards etc. I wouldn't tag Terrorist sympathisers and outsiders and ask for their opinions on India's Internal matters to score some brownie points.

This guy thinks that by tagging them,he is somehow able to annoy us,No we are not annoyed but laugh at such foolishness,I may fight with sibilings in my home, but outside of home,we are a family and take care of each other,we don't let outsiders take advantage due to our fights in home.

Yep,he is the real Untouchable here in PDF.
 
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isupportaap in his stupidity has posted an article that portrays the VHP in good light :lol:

This is the key to what Singhal says,

The VHP patriarch alleged, "Islamic invaders had, many centuries ago, compelled a section of Hindus to take up menial tasks like scavenging as they had refused to convert to Islam despite untold acts of oppression."

"The time has come to set right this wrong. I call upon Hindus to give the Dalits the respect they deserve. They must, henceforth, be viewed not as untouchables but as Dharmyoddhas -- those who chose to engage in menial tasks and suffer humiliation but did not agree to give up their Dharma," Singhal said.


I agree with Singhal, The Dalits must henceforth be called Dharmyoddhas :tup:


Not the patronising "harijan" Gandhi choose. :tdown:

Good,It's time we stopped using the word Dalit and use the word "DharamYoddha"
Give ur Sisters / Daughters to Dalit Groom will make world beleive you Love your own Countryman :hitwall:
 
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Give ur Sisters / Daughters to Dalit Groom will make world beleive you Love your own Countryman :hitwall:
LoL, what makes you think, i object?:lol:
Most of my friends are Dalits who recite shlokas,religious texts and do Yajnas(sacrifical offering to gods) better than most modern,city dwelling Brahmins. :lol: Infact, some households call them to recite mantras in their homes.:enjoy:
They have more knowledge about hindu religion than other atheist,modern hindus .They practise it everyday in their lives.:P
 
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He needs to check the date of Manusmriti
Manu Smriti has no mention of Touchability/Untouchability.

here is another joke by these bunch of idiots
VHP hits back at Obama, calls him ‘stooge of Church’

NEW DELHI: US President Barack Obama's recent remarks on 'religious intolerance' in India has irked the Hindu right in the country. Criticizing his latest remark — that "acts of intolerance" experienced by religious faiths of all types in India in the past few years would have shocked Mahatma Gandhi —Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) on Friday called Obama a "stooge of the Church" and asked the Narendra Modi government to identify and weed out people in the Indian political class suspected to be batting for the Church.

VHP joint general secretary Surendra Jain said that Obama should instead take care of his country which was witnessing "atrocities" against blacks. "He (Obama) is himself black. Despite that, he has not been able to stop the atrocities being committed on blacks," he said.

Alleging the influence of Christian missionaries on Obama, Jain said, "Obama seems to like his natural allies more than his friend. He made such statements in India and abroad after meeting certain people here on his visit. It is well known that Church plants people in politics. Obama has not been a good guest."

VHP also agreed with Hindu Mahasabha, which is preparing to forcibly marry off couples seen together on Valentine's Day. According to VHP, cases such as the Nirbhaya gang rape happen because couples openly express love on Valentine's Day. Jain said, "There should be no violence (on February 14), but those who love each other must get married. In the name of love, do not indulge in naked display of lust. It is because of these celebrations that incidents like (Delhi gang rape) happen."

On its right to be the moral police, Jain retorted, "What right did Mahatma Gandhi have to steer the freedom struggle? When police do not take action, society will have to."

On Obama's comments, Jain said the US is only worried about Christians and never talked about atrocities on Hindus in Bangladesh. "Obama should have rather asked Christian missionaries to stop conversion. It is because of their antics that there is communal disharmony in India. We ask the government to identify and weed out such people in politics who are planted by the Church," Jain said even as he brushed aside recent attacks on churches in Delhi as a "law and order problem".

"Even temples get vandalized, but do we say Christians have done it? Christians are protesting for political mileage and finance," said Jain.


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While the western media made ISIS a bigger threat that what it actually is, a more barbaric terrorist organization have taken the helm of India. The only difference between hindutva and ISIS is that ISIS doesn't have nukes while these lunatics are the official representatives of nuclear power india.

Luffy, I see progress that you have stepped outside your BD conclave. Back to the topic, there is no comparison to ISIS terrorist acts and RSS hindutva brigade. Both are extreme in their view points but the sheer barbarity of ISIS puts them in a different league.
 
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LoL, what makes you think, i object?:lol:
Most of my friends are Dalits who recite shlokas,religious texts and do Yajnas(sacrifical offering to gods) better than most modern,city dwelling Brahmins. :lol: Infact, some households call them to recite mantras in their homes.:enjoy:
They have more knowledge about hindu religion than other atheist,modern hindus .They practise it everyday in their lives.:P
My Question Demands something Else .. not wat u mentioned above :cheesy:
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We here in Pak marry each other SECTS except QADYAIS...unanimously ;)
 
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No you don't. :D
It up to you.....giving some random instances or news excerpts? to support your arguments
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Otherwise I've my own personal witnesses of Shia / Sunni common intances....if you beleive my words
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Moreover you're allowed to open New Thread on that Issue? to have insight 4m other members experiences ....
 
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