No Talks On Kashmir At UN Security Council As China Withdraws Request

[Chhatrapati]

When was the last time you looked at a map? Oh I forgot they have different maps in your fascist state.


NDTV, enough said hahahaha

@waz the fascists are spreading their bullshit about Kashmir again.

Looks like you're the one who never looked at the map of India.

The only country India doesn't have a border dispute with is Bhutan.

I could add Bangladesh too, we don't have a border dispute with them we have enclave and exclave disputes. Which will be solved amicably.

NDTV??

 

[Wood]

Kashmir isn't an internal issue to begin with.

India calls it internally an internal issue. Internationally a bilateral issue. What's with the two faces.

Astute observation! I've noticed this as well. Successive Indian governments have tactfully played this strategy well over the years. India (as is the case with any sovereign nation) has no intention of giving up its territorial integrity without being compelled to do so.

Why do even rational and obviously mature posters like you believe that the diplomatic voice of UN / US or China can make India give up its position? Only way Pakistan can take Kashmir is by colluding with China to open a 2 front war against India. Anything short of that is not worth talking about.

 

[Lincoln]

Astute observation! I've noticed this as well. Successive Indian governments have tactfully played this strategy well over the years. India (as is the case with any sovereign nation) has no intention of giving up its territorial integrity without being compelled to do so.

Why do even rational and obviously mature posters like you believe that the diplomatic voice of UN / US or China can make India give up its position? Only way Pakistan can take Kashmir is by colluding with China to open a 2 front war against India. Anything short of that is not worth talking about.

Something something soft image.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Looks like you're the one who never looked at the map of India.

I could add Bangladesh too, we don't have a border dispute with them we have enclave and exclave disputes. Which will be solved amicably.

NDTV??

Myanmar's is minor. But it does exist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...-debating-where-its-border-with-myanmar-falls

 

[Wood]

Something something soft image.

Soft image is meaningless in Geo-politics. I don't think any country supports India because of its Gandhian past.

US - India and Pak - China alliance are through shared mutual interest. Besides this, the perceived market potential of India's population has given India an unfair advantage over Pakistan. Soft image is just an excuse; an excuse that can be replaced by a myriad of others (like how US media approved India's increasingly belligerent Agni missile tests)

 

[Jackdaws]

Kashmir isn't an internal issue to begin with.

India calls it internally an internal issue. Internationally a bilateral issue. What's with the two faces.

Actually India's stance is pretty clear. What happens in Indian Kashmir is internal. But India is open to discuss Pak Kashmir as a bilateral issue.

 

[Wood]

Actually India's stance is pretty clear. What happens in Indian Kashmir is internal. But India is open to discuss Pak Kashmir as a bilateral issue.

Hahaha.. very funny.

 

[Jackdaws]

Hahaha.. very funny.

That's the actual stance

 

[pikkuboss]

Astute observation! I've noticed this as well. Successive Indian governments have tactfully played this strategy well over the years. India (as is the case with any sovereign nation) has no intention of giving up its territorial integrity without being compelled to do so.

Why do even rational and obviously mature posters like you believe that the diplomatic voice of UN / US or China can make India give up its position? Only way Pakistan can take Kashmir is by colluding with China to open a 2 front war against India. Anything short of that is not worth talking about.

Even that won't work. Can China afford a flying Nuke over Sanghai/Beijing for a tiny barren Ladakhi land even if they completely destroy India?

 

[Wood]

Even that won't work. Can China afford a flying Nuke over Sanghai/Beijing for a tiny barren Ladakhi land even if they completely destroy India?

I did not mean to suggest that China is ready to entertain the notion. Even without a nuclear umbrella, China may not be inclined to loose the opportunity to sell their goods to Indian population.

The onus will be on Pakistan to convince China to open a military confrontation with India. Or perhaps wait patiently for China and India to move into a military conflict over their many boundary disputes - and then seize the moment.

That's the actual stance

I doubt that this is what Nehru had in mind when he promised a plebiscite across Kashmir to the UN. Up until the revocation of 370, I think India argued that if Pakistan returns J&K to the pre-independence boundaries - then India was still willing to honor the promise. (In practice though, no Indian government would have actually been willing to keep that promise).

 

[Jackdaws]

I did not mean to suggest that China is ready to entertain the notion. Even without a nuclear umbrella, China may not be inclined to loose the opportunity to sell their goods to Indian population.

The onus will be on Pakistan to convince China to open a military confrontation with India. Or perhaps wait patiently for China and India to move into a military conflict over their many boundary disputes - and then seize the moment.



I doubt that this is what Nehru had in mind when he promised a plebiscite across Kashmir to the UN. Up until the revocation of 370, I think India argued that if Pakistan returns J&K to the pre-independence boundaries - then India was still willing to honor the promise. (In practice though, no Indian government would have actually been willing to keep that promise).

I am talking about the stance of the current Govt.

 

[Lincoln]

Soft image is meaningless in Geo-politics. I don't think any country supports India because of its Gandhian past.

US - India and Pak - China alliance are through shared mutual interest. Besides this, the perceived market potential of India's population has given India an unfair advantage over Pakistan. Soft image is just an excuse; an excuse that can be replaced by a myriad of others (like how US media approved India's increasingly belligerent Agni missile tests)

Soft image helps in pressurizing and just being a hurdle. If it wasn't an issue, US wouldn't take up Hong Kong issue with such force.

 

[Protest_again]

Soft image helps in pressurizing and just being a hurdle. If it wasn't an issue, US wouldn't take up Hong Kong issue with such force.

Attack on our soft image can only get you so far. Otherwise China would have been destroyed by now. What goes in favour of India is hard realities of it being relatively a huge economy, being 1/6th of world population, and successful integration Indians in other societies and their occupation of high places.

India is taking some very hard decisions lately. If this is the extent of retaliation then I think Congress all these years missed a trick. All of the measures taken by modi govt have huge popular support here. As long as that is the case, world can bark as much as they want. They'll have to bow down to our wishes.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Myanmar's is minor. But it does exist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...-debating-where-its-border-with-myanmar-falls

It's an irrelevant dispute, a confusion on demarcation and survey pole. It doesn't even make it to diplomatic level discussion.

 

[TNT]

World will think you are nuclear blackmailing. And will sanction you to ruin. You could literally be eating grass. Don't overestimate your importance to the world.

We produce some of best quality fruits and crops, we have fertile land, we can feed ourselves. Yes we will nuclear blackmail because if the world treats us unfairly we will turn it into a nuclear wasteland. What we demand is a fair dialogue and mediation and right of ppl of kashmir, if the world doesnt even want to talk and calls it bilateral, then we have right to finish it bilaterally with nukes.