No mention of ‘One China’ is New Delhi reply to Beijing for its silence on J&K

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

this is getting ridiculous, seriously who is going to have nuclear war these days?

even the US with its absolute nuclear superiority would commit suicide if it ever uses it nukes.

and there's no debating about the chinese and indian economy either because there are not even in the same league.

sorry to burst my Indians friends' ego but all the feel good stories in the Indian media is doing you injustice. India should just work hard and perhaps one day( and trust me that day hasn't arrived) you would be consider an economic power. Stop with the excuses, on 1 hand Indians like to brag about democracy and on the other hand they like to use it as excuse?

when china does anything nowadays it is felt from Tokyo, New York, to London...that can't be said for India. when was the last time people in australia or america cared about the Indian central bank raising or lowering its interest rate?

Chinese is more organized and they have a chip on their shoulder. They have been embarrassed by the humiliation of western domination of china especially at the hand of Japan...this is by far one of the biggest motivating factor. THe chinese are building their economy, Olympics, ect. ect basically everything they do is to compete with the West... not with India. India is doing everything to compete with China.

I am no big fan of China but everybody in the world( except for India) knows where china stand in the world today.

We Indians are well aware about China's stand and influence in the world,and hence we see them as our role-model(unfortunately).

However,not everyone sees the sense in ignoring trolls.

 

[Veeru]

Economic Dimensions of Chinese Geopolitics

The problem of China, rooted in geopolitics, is economic and it presents itself in two ways.

The first is simple. China has an export-oriented economy. It is in a position of dependency. No matter how large its currency reserves or how advanced its technology or how cheap its labor force, China depends on the willingness and ability of other countries to import its goods — as well as the ability to physically ship them. Any disruption of this flow has a direct effect on the Chinese economy.

The primary reason other countries buy Chinese goods is price. They are cheaper because of wage differentials. Should China lose that advantage to other nations or for other reasons, its ability to export would decline. Today, for example, as energy prices rise, the cost of production rises and the relative importance of the wage differential decreases. At a certain point, as China’s trading partners see it, the value of Chinese imports relative to the political cost of closing down their factories will shift.

And all of this is outside of China’s control. China cannot control the world price of oil. It can cut into its cash reserves to subsidize those prices for manufacturers but that would essentially be transferring money back to consuming nations. It can control rising wages by imposing price controls, but that would cause internal instability. The center of gravity of China is that it has become the industrial workshop of the world and, as such, it is totally dependent on the world to keep buying its goods rather than someone else’s goods.

There are other issues for China, ranging from a dysfunctional financial system to farmland being taken out of production for factories. These are all significant and add to the story. But in geopolitics we look for the center of gravity, and for China the center of gravity is that the more effective it becomes at exporting, the more of a hostage it becomes to its customers. Some observers have warned that China might take its money out of American banks. Unlikely, but assume it did. What would China do without the United States as a customer?

China has placed itself in a position where it has to keep its customers happy. It struggles against this reality daily, but the fact is that the rest of the world is far less dependent on China’s exports than China is dependent on the rest of the world.

Which brings us to the second, even more serious part of China’s economic problem. The first geopolitical imperative of China is to ensure the unity of Han China. The third is to protect the coast. Deng’s bet was that he could open the coast without disrupting the unity of Han China. As in the 19th century, the coastal region has become wealthy. The interior has remained extraordinarily poor. The coastal region is deeply enmeshed in the global economy. The interior is not. Beijing is once again balancing between the coast and the interior.

The interests of the coastal region and the interests of importers and investors are closely tied to each other. Beijing’s interest is in maintaining internal stability. As pressures grow, it will seek to increase its control of the political and economic life of the coast. The interest of the interior is to have money transferred to it from the coast. The interest of the coast is to hold on to its money. Beijing will try to satisfy both, without letting China break apart and without resorting to Mao’s draconian measures. But the worse the international economic situation becomes the less demand there will be for Chinese products and the less room there will be for China to maneuver.

The second part of the problem derives from the first. Assuming that the global economy does not decline now, it will at some point. When it does, and Chinese exports fall dramatically, Beijing will have to balance between an interior hungry for money and a coastal region that is hurting badly.

It is important to remember that something like 900 million Chinese live in the interior while only about 400 million live in the coastal region. When it comes to balancing power, the interior is the physical threat to the regime while the coast destabilizes the distribution of wealth. The interior has mass on its side. The coast has the international trading system on its. Emperors have stumbled over less.

 

[BudWiser]

when indian bashing is going on u will hardly find one.

Ah, can't blame 'em. Who wouldn't love to club a Hindoo 'round the head eh? Let 'em have their fun

Leave the 20 and 50 year predictions to the jobless pundits. We can't even predict what will happen next year, forget 50 years down the line.

This forum is obviously chock-full of Sino-lickers predicting (i.e. dreaming/hoping) how everybody on earth will be speaking Mandarin by 2050.

But hey, it's great entertainment

 

[gpit]

It's only a fool who thinks India gives importance to UNSC seat rather than national integrity.

Then why don't you harden your ball and say to the whole world "we Indians don't want UNSC seat". I think plenty of others want this.

Oops again! You are ball-less in this aspect India wants China help to secure UNSC seat - Express India

Yes...India desperately needs that. This makes India to look for new partners.

More precisely: instead of "look for new partners", it's "look for new masters".

Not worthy commenting your rest BS...

 

[GMSS]

the condition become worst when pakistani trolls joins the chinese one.two front war

and who says india cant fight at two fronts?

 

[HongWu]

@ hong wu

china is not stupid enough to promote proliferation of more nukes in the world.

as soon as one nuke goes off in the world today, EVERYBODY losses

No... India loses, China wins and becomes #1 superpower in Asia for 21st century. This is why China should arm Kashmiris with suitcase nuclear weapons! And Maoists too! Maoists with nuclear weapons would give India a terrible time.

Dont give too much importance...we have nukes and nobody can dare to attack us. For that matter...why Pakistan did not become another Iraq or Afghanistan? US has much higher yielding nukes than China and Pak's yields are almost same as India's.

Simple answer, because India wants to fight a war with China. Pakistan does not want to fight a war with USA. Pakistan is only defending itself.

 

[GMSS]

Then why don't you harden your ball and say to the whole world "we Indians don't want UNSC seat". I think plenty of others want this.

Oops again! You are ball-less in this aspect India wants China help to secure UNSC seat - Express India



More precisely: instead of "look for new partners", it's "look for new masters".

Not worthy commenting your rest BS...

well obama danced good in india

 

[amigo]

Ah, can't blame 'em. Who wouldn't love to club a Hindoo 'round the head eh? Let 'em have their fun

Leave the 20 and 50 year predictions to the jobless pundits. We can't even predict what will happen next year, forget 50 years down the line.

This forum is obviously chock-full of Sino-lickers predicting (i.e. dreaming/hoping) how everybody on earth will be speaking Mandarin by 2050.

But hey, it's great entertainment

well said,,btw it is just beginning for u as far as entertainment goes.

 

[KALKI]

Yet we humiliated your army SO easily in 1962.

Have balls? Come and take Arunachal now.

C'mon! Just give it a try or is mighty China afraid of puny India now?

Since then, our economy has become FOUR times bigger than yours and growing faster too. We are the 2nd largest economy, India is not even in the top ten!

The gap has widened massively.

And yet you do not have the balls to take Arunachal from us? To hell with such 'gap' and such 'growth' which can't get you a piece of land you regard as your own.

Be it FOUR times or FORTY times. The bottomline is: Mighty China can't take Arunachal from puny India.

Now go sob in a corner.

 

[tallboy123]

No... India loses, China wins and becomes #1 superpower in Asia for 21st century. This is why China should arm Kashmiris with suitcase nuclear weapons! And Maoists too! Maoists with nuclear weapons would give India a terrible time.


Simple answer, because India wants to fight a war with China. Pakistan does not want to fight a war with USA. Pakistan is only defending itself.

U have a good logic

 

[Brotherhood]

China’s Geopolitical Imperatives

China has three overriding geopolitical imperatives:

1. Maintain internal unity in the Han Chinese regions.
2. Maintain control of the buffer regions.
3. Protect the coast from foreign encroachment.
Maintaining Internal Unity

Mao’s goal was threefold, Marxism aside.

FIRST, he wanted to recentralize China — re-establishing Beijing as China’s capital and political center.

SECOND, he wanted to end the massive inequality between the coastal region and the rest of China.

THIRD, he wanted to expel the foreigners from China. In short, he wanted to recreate a united Han China.

Economic Dimensions of Chinese Geopolitics

The problem of China, rooted in geopolitics, is economic and it presents itself in two ways.

The first is simple. China has an export-oriented economy. It is in a position of dependency. No matter how large its currency reserves or how advanced its technology or how cheap its labor force, China depends on the willingness and ability of other countries to import its goods — as well as the ability to physically ship them. Any disruption of this flow has a direct effect on the Chinese economy.

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Veer, please have some basic "self-respect", don't steal others as your own words, atleast have the courtesy to quote the "BLOG" that you were copying from eh.
The Geopolitics Of China - John Mauldin's Outside the Box - InvestorsInsight.com | Financial Intelligence, Advice & Research / Investment Strategies & Planning for Individual Investors.

 

[gpit]

...
It's a shame to get invaded..
...

Finally there is a shamful Indian, but he conveniently forgets:

Aryan invasion of India.

Greek invasion of India.

Mughals invasion of India.

British invasion of India.

The last invasion was the most devastating, as it also enslaved the Indians mentally so the later can't even live without its former master that a copy/paste of the master's whole political system deems a daily necessity...

 

[BudWiser]

Like China copy/pasted Western Communism and Factory-driven Capitalism gpit ?

Chinese government tried to "Modernize" China by killing millions and destroying Chinese heritage and culture. Remember that?

 

[gpit]

the condition become worst when pakistani trolls joins the chinese one.two front war

and who says india cant fight at two fronts?

Rightly said.

In internet, with mouth, your guys can fight N front wars, where N >> 10000. In reality, you have trouble with even 0.5 front war.

Think 1962.

 

[HongWu]

China and India only one nation can exist -- two is impossible. Either we finish you or you finish us.

agreed. strategy be focused on this point.

It was too bad that China's leadership didn't see this coming earlier like around 2000 when all the Indians started crowing about "joining an elite club of nations". Everybody in China was focused on peaceful rise and trying to make friends with India. We should have been realistic and maybe in the 2003 showdown between India and Pakistan, we could have found a way to cripple India back then.

The national characteristic of Indians is aggressive and cowardly at the same time. It is funny. But the job for China is very serious. Only one obstacle stands between China and true superpower recognition around the world -- a major war and decisive victory over hostile India.

The last invasion was the most devastating, as it also enslaved the Indians mentally

Now it all makes sense....