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No fighters for pakistan: Russia

Well .We cant change the nature of some people .
Pakistan has some geopolitical advantages and we know that we cant isolate them .
Nor we hate all that nation but some non state actors .
But these guys still cant see their non state actors .
What would be our condition if we begin to think that we can spend like that of China in defence and imagine the condition of China if they thinks they can spend like US . .
Chetan Bhagat wrote an article a few days ago .He nailed it very well .Some people cant see the reality .Their experience will teach them
well i also read that article also try to go and watch an interview of tahir gora with an old pakistani on some youtube channels going viral these days where he explains the real cause of the problem but why bother not owr problem we just need to keep doing what we are doing

as for the thread i say again JF17 and J10B/C combo is the next combo for PAF till 2030 and nothing can change it keep watching
 
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Did I ever say "Money talks and bull walks"? Did I? I am firm believer in money is almost everything but not everything. He was suggesting that money can buy everything and I duly placed money where his mouth is. Rather harshly and wrongly. And you know what happened after that. I have apologized to him for that.

Bottom line, in any potential transaction there can be other variables then money alone and sometimes they can trump the financial aspect. That is why US will not sell F-35 Raptor to Iran despite the $$$$$$ etc.


*And yeh I was annoyed by this guy. This continous bluster about "money talks" is constant refrain I hear from some Indian's and is no doubt hinting at them being megarich and Pakistan being megapoor. It's like kid with lolly showing off to all the other kids about his lolly !!!



I don't think you get my point either.. there are threads which supposed to discuss about Indian armed being dragged into other issues by bringing world bank data or whatsoever.. You just can't insult his wife or any other family for his talk.. Well china have huge amount of money in pockets, that's why they are able to turn tables in many occasions.. money and power wrt to state is different to money and family.. you can't relate both.. I hope you learn respecting women and family, bit manners too. Thank you.
 
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well i also read that article also try to go and watch an interview of tahir gora with an old pakistani on some youtube channels going viral these days where he explains the real cause of the problem but why bother not owr problem we just need to keep doing what we are doing

as for the thread i say again JF17 and J10B/C combo is the next combo for PAF till 2030 and nothing can change it keep watching

Gap will be very high after few years .And we wont face much issue after one decade
 
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The PAF will not procure the J-10 at the tail end of the 4th generation. Pakistan will consolidate its buy around a fighter that can meet high end threats in the future, not a fighter that will be overmatched within the decade. If there is an urgent need to improve Pakistan's defensive posture, significant investments should be made in IADS and theater ballistic missiles instead.
 
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Fooled !!! PAF have RD-93 direct from Russia because Russia ignored indian pressure immagine if Russian refused to us for the RD-93 for JF-17 then what situation can be created??? I read some where thst RD-93 smoke problem is resolved.

I was talking about jet fighters, specifically the Su-35, which some Pakistani folks here on PDF though PAF was going to purchase any day now. I'm well aware the Russia provides engines, as well as transport helicopters to Pakistan. And the only reason Russia is providing engine to JF-17 is because the Chinese engines are not up to standards.
 
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well if you fly from gilgit to gawadar you will take at least two hours even in a fighter jet and need a IFR thats not the point im talking about bieng ever ready and ther are many parameters thats the main reason we have two pilots in MKI to share the load but thats a differnt story ask @MastanKhan he can explain you better im not a airforce guy

and maam you thnk my opinon is baised cause you see my flags but think about my post from logik of a air force pilot or a planner and the tell me am i wrong

Ni,

And neither am I---but you do have a point in the sense that for any new system---it takes time to integrate---and that time would be enough to acclimatize with a new machine---
 
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If we are willing to get Russian Platform, Indian wont be able to stop us.
Future will tell you.
Don't you see, despite of extreme efforts, India failed to include Pakistan Name in its evil wish list.
 
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How about this, do some simple arithmetic. Calculate the defence buget for Pakistan, then calculate the Air force budget, substract the Operations Budget (salaries, consumables, service) you will be left with capital. Once you have the capital budget subtract the allocations for Jf17 new airframes, helicoptors, UAV's and other aquisitions. With the left over money tell me how many Chinese or Russian platforms can be bought yearly....

-cheers

That part Sums it all up .. except for China no other country will give us soft loans or condition to buy Modern Aircraft , now we can blame the world's downing economy or our own corrupt Politicians who eaten up billions of dollars ..
 
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PAF is NOT INTERSTED IN ANY NEW PROCUREMENT OTHER THAN JF17and the f-16s

Everything else is just fan base dreams. If finances imptoves tremendously a case for j-10 vs j-11 might be made but that is very unlikely... Goal is 150-250 thunders and 100- f-16s for now.
 
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This is what is called a good ally. Supporting India since 47. Thank God we have China or we would indeed be completely isolated.
 
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Jan singhi delusional crowd can find any small amount of pleasure in these news.
Why Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi wont export SU-35 or any other military h/w to any customer who wants to buy?

SU-35 is an extremely capable platform and Pakistan's increased EEC of 350 NM and 290K sq km of sea shelf require a long endurance fighter-bomber. PAF and PN will go for SU-35 at right time and Russian Federation will gladly sell it to Pakistan. Modi's Pakistan-hate-blinded india will not like it, but World is not run by india's hate priests.

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No Russian fighter jets for Pakistan: Sergey Chemezov
Updated: October 16, 2016 04:19 IIS

On a day India and Russia signed major defence deals worth $10 billion and other agreements, CEO of Russia’s ROSTEC Corp Sergey Chemezov says the seeming decline in India-Russia ties is a thing of the past. Mr. Chemezov, who runs Russia’s military and tech giant and is a close associate of President Putin, is often referred to as the second-most important Russian on defence issues. He spoke to Suhasini Haidar and other journalists in a select interaction in Goa.



India and Russia have signed many major agreements today, including for the S-400 Triumf anti-missile system. Could you tell us about the timeline and costs for these and the other agreements?


I can say that with the S-400, India will have the most modern system for air defence that exists at present.

By 2020, you should see the systems beginning to be delivered. As far as the costs are concerned, these will be finalised in the contract itself. The fifth generation fighter aircraft we propose will be a joint design manufactured jointly with an Indian company, made specifically for the needs of India. For the 200 Kamov 226T helicopters, we will partner with HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.), with HAL owning 50.5 per cent at the location of HALs choice.

We have a long-standing relationship with India, and now hope to improve our civilian deals as well, including on electronics, biochemistry and optic fibres.



Russia has been overtaken by the U.S. as the largest defence supplier, and there has been a sense that the relationship has flagged. Will the deals signed on Saturday revive ties?


Our relationship with India has always been strong and fruitful in both military production and civilian areas.

Inter- governmental relations always have cycles and some parts of the cycle may be more or less active than others. Sometimes, they can be influenced by foreign factors or by internal factors.

It may look like there has been a decline in Indo-Russian relations as a result. However, in recent times, the relationship has been strengthening and broadening, and India is a strong ally and partner for Russia.



How about the new ties with Pakistan, including delivery of helicopters, and the recent military exercises? Do you plan any military sales to Pakistan, given a Russian delegation attended the Karachi DefExpo for the first time?


Our relationship with Pakistan has existed in the past as well, and while you can see areas where it has broadened, but not significantly. The military exercises in September this year were directly connected with modernising counter terror operations in Pakistan. ISIS is a global danger and doesn’t just involve terrorists in the Middle East but also in India and Pakistan. Therefore joint military exercises are important, but it must be noted that were not in any way targeted at India or at any other conflict in the region.



And military sales, given reports Russia may consider selling Su-35s in the future?
 
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