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Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei (WASS) Black Shark Torpedoes
by Rahul Singh
India’s first Scorpene submarine, floating at the Mazagon Docks in Mumbai. Plans to purchase torpedoes for the submarines have run into a roadblock, as the company involved in the arms deal has been tainted in a previous Scam.

A crucial naval requirement for heavyweight torpedoes is stuck as the defence ministry awaits legal opinion on whether it can place an order for the lethal underwater weapon from the subsidiary of a tainted arms firm.
The navy plans to buy Black Shark torpedoes for its Scorpene submarines - under-construction at a yard in Mumbai - from Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei (WASS), a subsidiary of Italian defence conglomerate Finmeccanica embroiled in a chopper scam.

After a desperate push by the navy that has called the torpedoes an “operational necessity”, defence minister Manohar Parrikar referred the proposed acquisition to the law ministry a few months ago but no guidelines have been issued so far.

The law ministry’s opinion on the case will be hugely significant as it will decide if the government can award military contracts to subsidiaries of banned companies, shaping an overarching principle for future deals. WASS had emerged as the lowest bidder for supplying the heavyweight torpedoes for the Scorpene submarines, the first of which will get commissioned late next year.

India, however, banned Finmeccanica last year from taking part in future military tenders after its UK-based subsidiary AgustaWestland faced bribery allegations in the Rs 3,727-crore VVIP chopper deal. The deal with WASS was put on hold in July 2014.

“No decision has been taken on the Black Shark deal. It’s still with the law ministry…the government knows we require the torpedoes urgently,” a senior navy officer said.

There’s no ban on ongoing contracts with the Italian defence major. The defence ministry imposed a partial ban on Finmeccanica last year but did not blacklist the company following the attorney general’s advice that a complete ban on the group could affect the military’s combat readiness. The NDA government has advocated a flexible approach in dealing with such firms if the military’s combat readiness is at stake. The Centre is working on new defence procurement rules that will have specific guidelines for arms agents and blacklisted firms.

In August, Parrikar told Parliament that his ministry “has decided to seek opinion in the matter (WASS torpedoes) from the Ministry of Law and Justice.” The first Scorpene submarine, Kalvari, is scheduled to kick off its weapon trials towards June 2016. Six submarines are being built at the Mazagon Dock Ltd with technology from French firm DCNS under a Rs 23,562 crore project called P-75.

No end in sight for Indian navy’s wait for torpedoes after scam | india | Hindustan Times
 
@Omega007

Crux of the matter is this, with which I started this subject;

Why should India give advantage to its enemies by fielding such weaponry?

Now, even comparing to what you have given on Varunastra (NSTL does not give any info) even that kind of speed & range is inferior to Black Shark.

You ought to have a standoff weapon in this scenario. Fire it with your collar up, knowing that enemy sub wont be able to touch you. Got to have the best torpedo in the world. Standoff range is the key here.

Choose it or loose it.

IMO Varunastra is a 30 km range torpedo not 7 km. Shyena light weight torpedos are with 7 km range.

But even that 30 km range vs 50 km range?
What is superiority of the two?
Bottom line, go for the best without compromising your underwater assets.
 
@Omega007

Crux of the matter is this, with which I started this subject;

Why should India give advantage to its enemies by fielding such weaponry?

Now, even comparing to what you have given on Varunastra (NSTL does not give any info) even that kind of speed & range is inferior to Black Shark.

You ought to have a standoff weapon in this scenario. Fire it with your collar up, knowing that enemy sub wont be able to touch you. Got to have the best torpedo in the world. Standoff range is the key here.

Choose it or loose it.



But even that 30 km range vs 50 km range?
What is superiority of the two?
Bottom line, go for the best without compromising your underwater assets.

Rubbish....

In Naval under water warfare
-Stand Off Range is not more than 20 Km
- A Torpedo with 50KM range will not always Vector at 50Kts or 50*1.852 = 90 km/hr in terminal phase "Only" it travels at 50 Kts/hr rest below 30kts. Else Sonar will track it and COUNTER- MEASURES WILL BE DEPLOYED.
- When a Sub fires at a Bogey generally max range is 20 km for all combats recorded in Sub-warfare. Any grater accuracy is impacted. new Sat Navigation is coming in Torepos like black Shark

Surface Combat ranges vary upto 70km depending upon Temperature of water, in cold climate yes.
In Indian Ocean Surface wars have not seen Torpedos been targeted over 23km. For a Surface Combatant at a distance greater than 20 km you use Anti Ship Missile

Now dont spread lies if you dont know an "iota on the subject"
 
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Just go for F21 Artemis.French may even give a loyalty discount on this.
 
@Omega007

Crux of the matter is this, with which I started this subject;

Why should India give advantage to its enemies by fielding such weaponry?

Now, even comparing to what you have given on Varunastra (NSTL does not give any info) even that kind of speed & range is inferior to Black Shark.

You ought to have a standoff weapon in this scenario. Fire it with your collar up, knowing that enemy sub wont be able to touch you. Got to have the best torpedo in the world. Standoff range is the key here.

Choose it or loose it.

Refer to post number 6 mi compadre!!I just had to post the real specs because your claims were simply preposterous!!Otherwise,there is no disagreement.
 
Another blunder by India. Now the navy will be stuck with inferior PSU developed weapons.
 
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