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No defence visits to China without resolution of visa issues

India today made it clear that defence exchanges with China will remain suspended till Beijing satisfactorily resolved issues such as denial of visa to a senior Indian General from Jammu & Kashmir.

Squarely blaming Beijing for creating a situation when India had to take a relook at its bilateral military exchanges with it, top defence ministry sources said China cannot say an Indian commander from a particular region of the country could not visit their country.

India had officially suspended defence exchanges with China following the denial of visa to northern army commander Lt Gen BS Jaswal, who commands troops in Jammu & Kashmir, for a visit to Beijing, thereby implying that the state did not form part of Indian territory.

"The ministry of external affairs has said that since one of our army commanders had not gone there (China), we will put it (defence exchanges) on hold," the sources said.

But other local level military meetings such as the border personnel conferences "for maintaining peace and tranquility" along the Sino-Indian borders would continue.

"The reasoning is that since Lt Gen Jaswal has not gone, as far as defence exchanges are concerned, they are interrupted now," they said.

Asked what they expected China to do to improve the situation, the sources said: "We want reciprocity. We need a satisfactory resolution. We have not created this situation."

They added, "China has refused the visa (to an Indian General). You cannot say that a particular commander from a particular region of India cannot visit. We are striving for a satisfactory resolution."

Only last week, external affairs minister SM Krishna had made it categorical that bilateral defence exchanges would remain suspended and asked China to respect its sensitivities on issues like Jammu & Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh so that the relationship could be developed further.

Against the backdrop of certain recent Chinese actions that amount to questioning Jammu & Kashmir's integration with India such as denial of visa to Lt Gen Jaswal and stapled visas to civilians from the state, Krishna also urged Beijing to maintain "neutrality" on the affairs related to the state as it has always done.

The defence exchanges with China were put on hold in July following the Lt Gen Jaswal episode.

Regarding China's recent forays into the Indian Ocean and its assertiveness on the maritime front, the defence ministry sources said the giant neighbour had its energy supplies flowing through the seas and hence they had taken the anti-piracy operations as an opportunity to venture into the region.

But, they said India had always desired that the Indian Ocean was its domain of responsibility. "As China's economic and military power grows, they are bound to assert themselves in the region. But we do not expect any conflict in the Indian Ocean. We want it to be a zone of peace," they added.

China has been sending its warships into the Indian Ocean ostensibly to join international anti-piracy efforts in the Gulf of Aden and has been maintaining a limited maritime force there and sustaining it in the last one year.

No defence visits to China without resolution of visa issues - India - DNA

MMS don't know politics we all know but he is harming India's interest and allowing chinese to get away is pathetic.

We need strong diplomacy and military modernization.
 
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China cannot say an Indian commander from a particular region of the country could not visit their country.

What the hell? Is China a sovereign country or still colonized by British Indians? Should China follow indian orders?

How can another country say China cannot do this or that?

Some Hong Kong guys may enlighten us.

Anyway... t-h-a-n-x. :partay:
 
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What the hell? Is China a sovereign country or still colonized by British Indians? Should China follow indian orders?

I think its fair enough for India to say that. If China wanted they could have said that 'No Indians are welcome'..that would have been more appropriate..instead if China insists that a General who served in a region cannot visit then it is just not a responsible behaviour from a powerful country. You cannot say to US that 'Texans and NY'ers are not welcome, people working anywhere else sure are'-- US would blow its lid off and so would any other country.
 
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I think its fair enough for India to say that. If China wanted they could have said that 'No Indians are welcome'..that would have been more appropriate..instead if China insists that a General who served in a region cannot visit then it is just not a responsible behaviour from a powerful country. You cannot say to US that 'Texans and NY'ers are not welcome, people working anywhere else sure are'-- US would blow its lid off and so would any other country.

I am sorry, but I think, China also denied US Def Secretary Gates visit to Beijing.
 
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I am sorry, but I think, China also denied US Def Secretary Gates visit to Beijing.

that was after the military exchanges had been suspended in wake of arms sales to TW. Details my friend details
 
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This is How things of this sort should be dealt with.
 
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that was after the military exchanges had been suspended in wake of arms sales to TW. Details my friend details

Hey buddy, China has not denied guys who come from an undisputed territory. For example, if you are from an undisputed territory, you are always welcome to Beijing.
 
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Well, I think, then the rumor that China and India will do joint air force exercises in 2012 is not going to happen.

Hoooola... Mods can now delete that useless thread.
 
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Hey buddy, China has not denied guys who come from an undisputed territory. For example, if you are from an undisputed territory, you are always welcome to Beijing.

China has no locus standi on the issue....

If that is the case, then how is it that Pakistani defence attaches visit China on a regular basis?

Has a visa been denied to a Pakistani military personell for having served in a disputed area? (Indian Kashmir along with Gilgit Baltistan and P-O-K are disputed areas)
If the answer is no.....then its pure hypocrisy!

So why is China singling out India?
 
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China has no locus standi on the issue....

If that is the case, then how is it that Pakistani defence attaches visit China on a regular basis?

Has a visa been denied to a Pakistani military personell for having served in a disputed area? (Indian Kashmir along with Gilgit Baltistan and P-O-K are disputed areas)
If the answer is no.....then its pure hypocrisy!

So why is China singling out India?


Because we are allowing them free run. We need strong leader with great diplomacy and urgent military modernization.
 
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China has no locus standi on the issue....

If that is the case, then how is it that Pakistani defence attaches visit China on a regular basis?

Has a visa been denied to a Pakistani military personell for having served in a disputed area? (Indian Kashmir along with Gilgit Baltistan and P-O-K are disputed areas)
If the answer is no.....then its pure hypocrisy!

So why is China singling out India?

Just FYI, in case you aren't aware - the guy you are replying to is not American. Neither is he Chinese. He was trying to masquerade as a Chinese for many weeks, and even after being exposed by the other Chinese posters, he shamelessly continued the charade till yesterday. Suddenly yesterday he switched to American flag. None of the Chinese posters likes him. All he keeps doing is trying to spread hate between India and China.
 
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Well done. No need to create a ruckus over it. A firm yet silent message must be conveyed to China.
 
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We get irked by these things. This is nothing compared to this.

China's hydro-engineering projects in Tibet indicate it is fashioning water as a card against India

New evidence from China indicates that, as part of its planned diversion of the waters of the Brahmaputra, preparations are afoot to start work on the world’s biggest dam at the river’s so-called Great Bend, located at Tibet’s corner with northeastern India. The dam, by impounding water on a gargantuan scale, will generate, according to a latest map of planned dams put up on its Web site by the state-run Hydro China, 38,000 megawatts of power, or more than twice the capacity of the Three Gorges Dam. Such is its scale that this new dam will by itself produce the equivalent of 25 percent of India’s current electricity generation from all sources.

the source of most major Indian rivers is Chinese-controlled Tibet. The Tibetan plateau’s vast glaciers, huge underground springs and high altitude make Tibet the world’s largest freshwater repository. Indeed, all of Asia’s major rivers, except the Ganges, originate in the Chinese-held Tibetan plateau. Even the Ganges’ main tributaries flow in from Tibet.

China is now pursuing major inter-basin and inter-river water transfer projects on the Tibetan plateau, which threaten to diminish international-river flows into India and other co-riparian states. China’s opaquely pursued hydro-engineering projects in Tibet threaten the interests of India more than those of any other country. The greatest impact of the diversion of the Brahmaputra waters, however, would probably be borne by Bangladesh


The most ominous plan China is pursuing is the one to reroute a sizable chunk of the Brahmaputra waters northwards at the Great Bend, the point where the river makes a sharp turn to enter India, creating in the process a canyon larger and deeper than the Grand Canyon in the US
 
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Just FYI, in case you aren't aware - the guy you are replying to is not American. Neither is he Chinese. He was trying to masquerade as a Chinese for many weeks, and even after being exposed by the other Chinese posters, he shamelessly continued the charade till yesterday. Suddenly yesterday he switched to American flag. None of the Chinese posters likes him. All he keeps doing is trying to spread hate between India and China.

Honestly AC.....

I just want to expose Chinese hypocrisy on this matter.....his nationality, ethnicity means sh!t to me....
 
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Because we are allowing them free run. We need strong leader with great diplomacy and urgent military modernization.

China is using Pakistan to be a thorn in India's back....

The Chinese are the masters of what I like to call "covert diplomacy"....
By not engaging India directly on issues like AP....China still manages to use the Kashmir issue to highlight its polarity with India, but using the guise of Human rights (a hot favorite of the western world) it shows India in a bad light, supports its ally Pak and at the same time manages to vocalize the Kashmir issue....amazing!

But you're right, we need a Chanakya to deal with the Chinese.....

Nevertheless I admire them....we can learn a lot from them...
 
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