Last time we waged a war, you got a country.
Who will you go to next time to save you from being massacred, since you think IA is unfit? Any other powerful friends to help you out?
No ammo, air defence obsolete: Army Chief to PM
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Last time we waged a war, you got a country.
Who will you go to next time to save you from being massacred, since you think IA is unfit? Any other powerful friends to help you out?
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You really know how to push the buttons don't you. You and you're pathtic rants geez, Allah can't even save your country from the idiots that inhibit it. First take care of your own backyard before you start worrying about others you ungrateful souls.
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NEW DELHI: In a fresh blow to the government, Army chief General VK Singh has written a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh warning that the country's security is at risk.
According to Times Now, the letter which was written on March 12, 2012 states that army tanks in the country have run out of ammunition. The letter emphasises the need to bridge the shortcomings and bring the army to fighting level.
Sources told Times Now that in his letter VK Singh has called 97% of the air defence obsolete. Singh has also said that the elite special forces are woefully short of weapons.
The Army chief has been in news this week for his claims of being offered a bribery of Rs 14 crore to clear a tranche of sub-standard equipment for the army. Times Now sources have said that the CBI may record his statement in this regard on March 30, 2012.
Defence minister AK Antony has said that Army chief VK Singh had told him that a bribe of 14 crore was offered by an equipment middleman but Singh didn't want to pursue the case. Responding to the furore in Parliament over the issue, Antony named Lieutenant General (retd) Tejinder Singh as the person named by General Singh.
"I have always said the truth. When General VK Singh told me about the incident, I was shocked. The Army chief told me it was Tejinder Singh who offered him the bribe but he said he doesn't want to pursue it," Antony said.
In his defence, Antony said that once news reports on the alleged bribe offer was made public on Monday, he ordered an inquiry, even though there was no formal complaint. "I immediately told the defence secretary to take action without waiting for any formal complaint.
This was the action I took. CBI will inquire into everything," Antony said. The announcement of a CBI probe on Monday had led to an uproar in Parliament, as members felt that the minister should have taken Parliament, which is in session, into confidence before announcing the probe.
According to Times Now, the letter which was written on March 12, 2012 states that army tanks in the country have run out of ammunition. The letter emphasises the need to bridge the shortcomings and bring the army to fighting level.
Sources told Times Now that in his letter VK Singh has called 97% of the air defence obsolete. Singh has also said that the elite special forces are woefully short of weapons.
The Army chief has been in news this week for his claims of being offered a bribery of Rs 14 crore to clear a tranche of sub-standard equipment for the army. Times Now sources have said that the CBI may record his statement in this regard on March 30, 2012.
Defence minister AK Antony has said that Army chief VK Singh had told him that a bribe of 14 crore was offered by an equipment middleman but Singh didn't want to pursue the case. Responding to the furore in Parliament over the issue, Antony named Lieutenant General (retd) Tejinder Singh as the person named by General Singh.
"I have always said the truth. When General VK Singh told me about the incident, I was shocked. The Army chief told me it was Tejinder Singh who offered him the bribe but he said he doesn't want to pursue it," Antony said.
In his defence, Antony said that once news reports on the alleged bribe offer was made public on Monday, he ordered an inquiry, even though there was no formal complaint. "I immediately told the defence secretary to take action without waiting for any formal complaint.
This was the action I took. CBI will inquire into everything," Antony said. The announcement of a CBI probe on Monday had led to an uproar in Parliament, as members felt that the minister should have taken Parliament, which is in session, into confidence before announcing the probe.
India army chief says nation's defences obsolete
Much of India's defence equipment is "obsolete" and the forces are "woefully short" of weapons, army chief General VK Singh has said.
Gen Singh made the complaints earlier in March in a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh that has been leaked.
Defence Minister AK Antony told parliament that the "government is committed to doing all that is necessary to secure the nation".
It is the latest in a series of rows between the army and the government.
In his letter, Gen Singh said India's air defence was "97% obsolete", the army lacked the equipment it needed and its entire tank fleet was "devoid of critical ammunition to defeat enemy tanks".
The infantry lacked "night fighting" capabilities and was crippled with "deficiencies of crew-served weapons", the letter added.
The revelations dominated discussion in parliament on Wednesday with opposition MPs questioning the government over the issue.
In a short statement in the Rajya Sabha, the upper house of parliament, Defence Minister Antony said the government would take "appropriate action" on the letter.
He said the government was committed to providing all that is necessary for maintaining the security of the country.
Bribery allegation
India's armed forces have been attempting a modernisation drive in recent years that has made the country the world's top arms importer.
Analysts say the upgrade has been hampered by delays and a lack of planning.
The general's letter follows allegations he made on Monday in an interview with The Hindu newspaper that retired Lt Gen Tejinder Singh had offered him $2.7m (£1.7m) to approve the purchase of 600 "sub-standard" vehicles of a "particular make".
Lt Gen Singh has vehemently denied the charges, saying the accusations are "totally false" and he has filed a court case against the army chief.
His comments led to an uproar in parliament, forcing the defence minister to admit that Gen VK Singh had informed him about the bribe offer a year ago.
Mr Antony has ordered a probe by federal police and promised action against "anyone who is found guilty".
On Tuesday, Mr Antony told parliament that he did not act earlier on the general's bribery allegation as he had never received a written complaint.
Mr Antony went on to say that he had asked the army chief to take action but the general had not wanted to pursue the matter for reasons unknown to the defence minister.
Acrimony
Earlier this year, Gen VK Singh was involved in an acrimonious row with the government over his retirement age.
The general went to the Supreme Court to have his date of birth as recorded by the military - 10 May 1950 - changed to a year later so that it matched the date on his birth certificate and other documents.
But he dropped the case after the court indicated it could rule against him because he had already accepted three promotions that were based on the earlier date.
Changing the date would have meant that he could retire in 2013 instead of in several months.
BBC News - India army chief says nation's defences obsolete
Much of India's defence equipment is "obsolete" and the forces are "woefully short" of weapons, army chief General VK Singh has said.
Gen Singh made the complaints earlier in March in a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh that has been leaked.
Defence Minister AK Antony told parliament that the "government is committed to doing all that is necessary to secure the nation".
It is the latest in a series of rows between the army and the government.
In his letter, Gen Singh said India's air defence was "97% obsolete", the army lacked the equipment it needed and its entire tank fleet was "devoid of critical ammunition to defeat enemy tanks".
The infantry lacked "night fighting" capabilities and was crippled with "deficiencies of crew-served weapons", the letter added.
The revelations dominated discussion in parliament on Wednesday with opposition MPs questioning the government over the issue.
In a short statement in the Rajya Sabha, the upper house of parliament, Defence Minister Antony said the government would take "appropriate action" on the letter.
He said the government was committed to providing all that is necessary for maintaining the security of the country.
Bribery allegation
India's armed forces have been attempting a modernisation drive in recent years that has made the country the world's top arms importer.
Analysts say the upgrade has been hampered by delays and a lack of planning.
The general's letter follows allegations he made on Monday in an interview with The Hindu newspaper that retired Lt Gen Tejinder Singh had offered him $2.7m (£1.7m) to approve the purchase of 600 "sub-standard" vehicles of a "particular make".
Lt Gen Singh has vehemently denied the charges, saying the accusations are "totally false" and he has filed a court case against the army chief.
His comments led to an uproar in parliament, forcing the defence minister to admit that Gen VK Singh had informed him about the bribe offer a year ago.
Mr Antony has ordered a probe by federal police and promised action against "anyone who is found guilty".
On Tuesday, Mr Antony told parliament that he did not act earlier on the general's bribery allegation as he had never received a written complaint.
Mr Antony went on to say that he had asked the army chief to take action but the general had not wanted to pursue the matter for reasons unknown to the defence minister.
Acrimony
Earlier this year, Gen VK Singh was involved in an acrimonious row with the government over his retirement age.
The general went to the Supreme Court to have his date of birth as recorded by the military - 10 May 1950 - changed to a year later so that it matched the date on his birth certificate and other documents.
But he dropped the case after the court indicated it could rule against him because he had already accepted three promotions that were based on the earlier date.
Changing the date would have meant that he could retire in 2013 instead of in several months.
BBC News - India army chief says nation's defences obsolete
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Just get indian defense industry to manufacture some ammo. What's the problem?
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If people here are saying that he has highlighted the issue only now, please scan the news papers on google and read this
Blacklist effect: Tank ammo at critical low levels, MoD waives policy to buy - Indian Express
Indian Army not ready for War with China : Neighbours News - India Today
all these reveal that the issue have been present from last year itself and were not just highlighted now.. The MoD sucks for not heading the warnings given earlier and as a desperate measure he wrote to the Prime Minister. It is his duty, people who say he shoud step down are so ignorant that they can never differentiate a good person from bad one who stands up against odds highlight what needs to be done. Also he is not a small kid who would write to MoD and Pm if he could help it himself.. so please think before you write... so some research.. will help...
Blacklist effect: Tank ammo at critical low levels, MoD waives policy to buy - Indian Express
Indian Army not ready for War with China : Neighbours News - India Today
all these reveal that the issue have been present from last year itself and were not just highlighted now.. The MoD sucks for not heading the warnings given earlier and as a desperate measure he wrote to the Prime Minister. It is his duty, people who say he shoud step down are so ignorant that they can never differentiate a good person from bad one who stands up against odds highlight what needs to be done. Also he is not a small kid who would write to MoD and Pm if he could help it himself.. so please think before you write... so some research.. will help...
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Yeah...MMS must go asap!
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Salute to army chief.
What he revealed is an open secret.
we haven't inducted a single artillery piece since past 25 year's
Our equipment of army air defense unit is outdated.
how the hell are we going to fight a 21st century war if this is the state of affairs.
We need a major over haul in our defense industry it should be opened to private sector, the state PSU have proven their incompetense for far to long
What he revealed is an open secret.
we haven't inducted a single artillery piece since past 25 year's
Our equipment of army air defense unit is outdated.
how the hell are we going to fight a 21st century war if this is the state of affairs.
We need a major over haul in our defense industry it should be opened to private sector, the state PSU have proven their incompetense for far to long
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actaully he just want to say that india wants to remain umber 1 on IMPORTS list of weapons...simple as that..just trying to extract funds
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We could see hurt Indians are on this letter. But objective discussion might be a good idea, if only pride does not come in the way.
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If Army Chief was the one who leaked the letter to the media, he needs to go.
stealing money corruption is rife in our part of the world?
I think they have been trying??
Perhaps Pakistan could sell them JF17 and Al Khalid (with kill switches lol)
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correction......HE is army chief, he never said IAF is obsolete, he is talking about IA.
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No, absolutely not.. I think we’ve progressed quite a bit..
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