No aircraft engines to Pak, please

[john_holmes]

Every bullet deprived for PA during peace hurts PA during war.

But seriously, I would want the Russians to supply the engines for JF-17.

Nothing like during any conflict to put the squeeze on PAF. We squeeze the Russian nuts, and PAF feels the pain.

 

[TomCat111]

As would any two self respecting enemies would do!!

The joke isn't lost on me......

 

[thunderkaka]

India has the second largest population in the world, just imagine if it is attacked, then there is gonna be chaos everywhere. This is one of the reasons y India is against Pakistan acquiring weapons. The country which has one of the largest army in the world was unable to stop the attacks in Kashmir and in return chose the option of committing suicides and killing each other (soldiers against solders) then just imagine what's gonna happen during the war.

 

[Neo]

Every bullet deprived for PA during peace hurts PA during war.

But seriously, I would want the Russians to supply the engines for JF-17.

Nothing like during any conflict to put the squeeze on PAF. We squeeze the Russian nuts, and PAF feels the pain.

John,

Sorry to disappoint you but RD-93 is just a start up. It will be replaced by WS-10 or 13A when it's ready.
Both are in final fase of testing and would be available within a few years.

 

[Janbaz]

John,

Sorry to disappoint you but RD-93 is just a start up. It will be replaced by WS-10 or 13A when it's ready.
Both are in final fase of testing and would be available within a few years.

This raises a question in my mind: Can the RD-93 fitted on JF-17's be replaced with WS-10 etc when made availible? Just wondering!:flag:

 

[Neo]

Yes, its a chinese copy of the engine but Russia is co-developping it under the agreement.

 

[Awesome]

Pretty sure we'd be purchasing them with the spares.

You can give a hand job to whoever, but what are you going to do about whatever Pak will have in the inventory? So for now the RD-93s would do, later on we'd have the chinese copies to work with too.

So that plans bust, what's next on the "Evil plan to take out Pak" list?

 

[Adux]

John,

Sorry to disappoint you but RD-93 is just a start up. It will be replaced by WS-10 or 13A when it's ready.
Both are in final fase of testing and would be available within a few years.

All those unsubtantiated are wishful thinking, Russian Engines wont be available for pakistan while european will not be allowed for China, lets hope WS-10 or 13A can be integrated, Testing and integration will take another 2 or 3 years. So best of luck.

India's in the process of unleashing the ULTIMATE EVIL PLAN ON PAKISTAN,
We are sending over Anu Malik for good along with all his inspirations.lol

 

[TomCat111]

Ever wondered how the PAF kept the F-16s in air during sanctions?

There is will, there is a way.

 

[Keysersoze]

Date Posted: 01-Nov-2006

JANE'S DEFENCE INDUSTRY - DECEMBER 01, 2006

Russia decides to supply Pakistan with fighter-aircraft engines

By Robert Karniol, Zuhai Air Show, China. Additional reporting by Ben Vogel, Janes.com Editor

PAKISTAN'S JF-17 light multirole fighter aircraft will be powered by Russian Klimov RD-93 engines - a substantial change in position for Russia which had previously resisted giving Pakistan access to the engine.

Directly contradicting an earlier Russian position, a senior Chinese aerospace official has for the first time publicly confirmed that the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 (FC-1) under development will be powered by the Russian engine. The new position was supported by Russian officials.

"Right now we are using the RD-93 [in prototypes] and it's Klimov who will do the series production [of the engine]. The engine will be exported to Pakistan," said Li Pei, development director at China's Chengdhu Aircraft Industry Group, which is leading the programme and also involved the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

Klimov mentioned that the FC-1, China's version of the jointly developed aircraft, is still undergoing "performance flight tests".

Russian diplomatic and industry officials had previously stated without qualification that the RD-93 powering the FC-1 will not be provided to Islamabad either directly or through re-export. Klimov had reiterated this position only a day before Li's statement.

Moscow is thought to have hesitated over any deal involving provision of its military products to Pakistan because of concerns centred on its long-standing defence relationship with rival India.

Klimov, in particular, is involved in a Russian bid to supply New Delhi with 126 MiG-29 fighters.

Li reversed this view of the JF-17 programme when questioned by Jane's at a press briefing organised by Klimov during the China Air Show 2006. He was flanked on the podium by senior officials from both Klimov and the Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport.

"If we don't sell [Pakistan the RD-93 engines] then someone else will. It's just a reality," said Klimov Director General Alexander Vatagin, in a follow-up comment. Oleg Novikov, a senior official with Rosoborenexport, reinforced the change in position over export of the engine.

"The process to [arrange the provision to Pakistan of the RD-93] is on-going," he explained.

"The export licence will be granted provided it doesn't contravene the export laws of Russia or China."

The Pakistan Air Force earlier this year told Jane's that it had received firm assurances from China that the RD-93 issue will not prove a problem despite repeated Russian statements to the contrary.


Thank you come again! sorry couldn't resist!

 

[Adux]

Date Posted: 01-Nov-2006

JANE'S DEFENCE INDUSTRY - DECEMBER 01, 2006

Russia decides to supply Pakistan with fighter-aircraft engines

By Robert Karniol, Zuhai Air Show, China. Additional reporting by Ben Vogel, Janes.com Editor

PAKISTAN'S JF-17 light multirole fighter aircraft will be powered by Russian Klimov RD-93 engines - a substantial change in position for Russia which had previously resisted giving Pakistan access to the engine.

Directly contradicting an earlier Russian position, a senior Chinese aerospace official has for the first time publicly confirmed that the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 (FC-1) under development will be powered by the Russian engine. The new position was supported by Russian officials.

"Right now we are using the RD-93 [in prototypes] and it's Klimov who will do the series production [of the engine]. The engine will be exported to Pakistan," said Li Pei, development director at China's Chengdhu Aircraft Industry Group, which is leading the programme and also involved the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

Klimov mentioned that the FC-1, China's version of the jointly developed aircraft, is still undergoing "performance flight tests".

Russian diplomatic and industry officials had previously stated without qualification that the RD-93 powering the FC-1 will not be provided to Islamabad either directly or through re-export. Klimov had reiterated this position only a day before Li's statement.

Moscow is thought to have hesitated over any deal involving provision of its military products to Pakistan because of concerns centred on its long-standing defence relationship with rival India.

Klimov, in particular, is involved in a Russian bid to supply New Delhi with 126 MiG-29 fighters.

Li reversed this view of the JF-17 programme when questioned by Jane's at a press briefing organised by Klimov during the China Air Show 2006. He was flanked on the podium by senior officials from both Klimov and the Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport.

"If we don't sell [Pakistan the RD-93 engines] then someone else will. It's just a reality," said Klimov Director General Alexander Vatagin, in a follow-up comment. Oleg Novikov, a senior official with Rosoborenexport, reinforced the change in position over export of the engine.

"The process to [arrange the provision to Pakistan of the RD-93] is on-going," he explained.

"The export licence will be granted provided it doesn't contravene the export laws of Russia or China."

The Pakistan Air Force earlier this year told Jane's that it had received firm assurances from China that the RD-93 issue will not prove a problem despite repeated Russian statements to the contrary.


Thank you come again! sorry couldn't resist!

Guess that settles it, better luck for our next block

 

[Bull]

John,

Sorry to disappoint you but RD-93 is just a start up. It will be replaced by WS-10 or 13A when it's ready.
Both are in final fase of testing and would be available within a few years.

Well we have been hearing the ame for the last few years, now when will these years end ?

PAC Kamra was opened a year back,i guess and there was every single pakistani poster screaming JF-17 prod to start tomorrow,and here we are today and even the engine is not ready.

As of Dec 1 06, Janes report says "Klimov mentioned that the FC-1, China's version of the jointly developed aircraft, is still undergoing "performance flight tests".

 

[EagleEyes]

Well we have been hearing the ame for the last few years, now when will these years end ?

PAC Kamra was opened a year back,i guess and there was every single pakistani poster screaming JF-17 prod to start tomorrow,and here we are today and even the engine is not ready.

As of Dec 1 06, Janes report says "Klimov mentioned that the FC-1, China's version of the jointly developed aircraft, is still undergoing "performance flight tests".

Lets not talk about the childish Pakistani posters alright?

Bull, seriously. Are we talking about aircrafts delay? No offence mate, but LCA?? Yes!! you see now, dont you?

Production will start in Pakistan from 2008, we all know that. While first batch or so will be received by the PAF and PLAAF at the end of 2007. Performance flight tests will go on, that doesn't mean that the aircraft will be delayed.

As for the more powerful engine than the RD-93 or its equivalent, well i am just guessing that we will receive them later on, and PAF isn't in a hurry, after all radar development takes a lot of time and research, and especially for the Chinese which are not too well experienced with it.

 

[Awesome]

The bird inducts in three more months, what are you even talking about?

Come Pakistan Day and we'd have everyone going crazy again! The engines have already been supplied man. The plane will fly.

As far as production in Pakistan is concerned they are still giving the same date, Jan 2008.

 

[Bull]

Lets not talk about the childish Pakistani posters alright?

Bull, seriously. Are we talking about aircrafts delay? No offence mate, but LCA?? Yes!! you see now, dont you?

Production will start in Pakistan from 2008, we all know that. While first batch or so will be received by the PAF and PLAAF at the end of 2007. Performance flight tests will go on, that doesn't mean that the aircraft will be delayed..

Well you can check my other posts i am no fan off DRDO, LCA is a good plane if it flies now.But as of now there is nothing but delayed news thats coming out from here.Off lte they were calling for help on the Kaveri engine.
So the problems are same across the borders.

As for the more powerful engine than the RD-93 or its equivalent, well i am just guessing that we will receive them later on, and PAF isn't in a hurry, after all radar development takes a lot of time and research, and especially for the Chinese which are not too well experienced with it.

PAF is in no hurry? Ofcourse yes, it is. When is the last time PAF got some new birds?...majority, if not all are just scrap planes in PAF.