No agreement with any European aircraft manufacturer for Tejas Mk-II

[Rangila]

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is equipped to cater for the threat environment that exists and is always ready to meet the role assigned to it. Operational preparedness of IAF is reviewed from time to time based on the threat perception. Further, augmentation and modernization of capabilities of IAF including its fighter aircraft fleet is a dynamic and continuous process.


The indigenous Light Combat Aircraft ‘Tejas’ has achieved initial operational clearance. The production phase is progressing concurrently with development activity. However, Government has not signed any agreement with any European aircraft manufacturer for the development of Tejas Mk-II aircraft.


As per the India-France Joint Statement issued by the two countries during the Prime Minister’s visit to France, Government of India conveyed to the Government of France that Government of India would like to acquire 36 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) Rafale in fly-away condition as quickly as possible. The two leaders agreed to conclude an Inter-Government agreement for supply of these aircraft. A negotiating team has been constituted for the purpose.


Further, HAL continues to manufacture Su-30 fighter Aircraft. Besides for decision to acquire for MMRCA has also been made to augment for fleet.


This information was given by Minister of State for Defence Rao Inderjit Singh in a written reply to Shri Paresh Raval and Dr. Kirit P Solanki in Lok Sabha today.

Press Information Bureau

 

[knight11]

The only European one that could help in the development of LCA Tejas MK-2 is the Dassault because they are the one who have done studied and certified the project definition of the LCA and EADS/Cassidian.

 

[dadeechi]

America is coming in a big way with DTTI. Nor more room for French when the big boss is here. French had their chances but they did not utilize.

 

[knight11]

America is coming in a big way with DTTI. Nor more room for French when the big boss is here. French had their chances but they did not utilize.

what is DTTI

 

[dadeechi]

what is DTTI

http://archive.defense.gov/pubs/US-IND-Fact-Sheet.pdf

India-US: DTTI and India's Quest for Self Reliance

 

[knight11]

http://archive.defense.gov/pubs/US-IND-Fact-Sheet.pdf

India-US: DTTI and India's Quest for Self Reliance

I don't think its a good Idea. First for that India have to sign LSA and CISMOA, which is nothing but including India into NATO and using India against China.

Secondly, Developing weapons with US tech, not only demands the supportive tech indirectly, e.g F-35 is not just a stealth plane, but the whole lot of systems including ground support units, US JSTAR network, US Satellite web, US BVR and weapons, US IFF, US Link 16, and there is no place of Indian AFNET, ISRO GSAT-7, Indian Data link, and ASTRA

 

[dadeechi]

I don't think its a good Idea. First for that India have to sign LSA and CISMOA, which is nothing but including India into NATO and using India against China.

Secondly, Developing weapons with US tech, not only demands the supportive tech indirectly, e.g F-35 is not just a stealth plane, but the whole lot of systems including ground support units, US JSTAR network, US Satellite web, US BVR and weapons, US IFF, US Link 16, and there is no place of Indian AFNET, ISRO GSAT-7, Indian Data link, and ASTRA

True but you have to give something to get something.

Basically there are two issues. US wanted India to sign the below agreements and Increase FDI in defence to 100% to share the defense tech with India. UPA did not agree to these but BJP has agreed and the deal is moving forward now. BJP need to expedite and ensure that this deal is completely sealed before 2019. Parrikar has already confirmed that 100% FDI in defense is on the table.

Logistics Support Agreement (LSA),
Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA),
Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial Cooperation (BECA

http://www.idsa.in/idsacomments/IndoUSCooperationinDefenceProduction_acowshish_130814


49% FDI limit not enough for defense tech transfer: US - Moneycontrol.com

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ign-defense-companies-not-enough-for-Lockheed


http://carnegieendowment.org/files/Tellis_Beyond_Buyer-Seller.pdf


US-India Defense Technology and Trade Initiative

First project under Indo-US DTTI cleared; to develop lightweight, protective clothing for soldiers - The Economic Times

India Today Conclave: Open to 100 per cent FDI in defence technology, says Parrikar : India, News - India Today

 

[knight11]

True but you have to give something to get something.

And why should we give our sovereignty, our non-alignment stance. IS there any war upon us.

 

[dadeechi]

And why should we give our sovereignty, our non-alignment stance. IS there any war upon us.

That's how the game works. No one is forcing India. It is India which is going pillar to post begging for this technology.

With regards to war, ek ishara bus hai for Pakistan to start another war with India.

You know in India the land mafia first sends their men to occupy the property and then negotiate the deal with the owner to have the property vacated at a price.

 

[knight11]

That's how the game works. No one is forcing India. It is India which is going pillar to post begging for this technology.

With regards to war, ek ishara bus hai for Pakistan to start another war with India.

You know in India the land mafia first sends their men to occupy the property and then negotiate the deal with the owner to have the property vacated at a price.

I will apply to your post tommorow, after doing some studies.

 

[dadeechi]

I will apply to your post tommorow, after doing some studies.

While you are at it, you may also want to investigate the below agreements too which were earlie rejected/stalled by UPA but are now approved by BJP.

Why did Modi agree to give away India’s patent sovereignty to Americans?

With landmark climate accord, world marks turn from fossil fuels - Yahoo News#

India unveils climate change plan | Environment | The Guardian

No change in nuclear liability law: MEA - The Hindu

 

[Hellfire]

Another thread to flog an old topic!!! The US is also exasperated that we have been taking forever over LCA. They finally have decided out of sheer frustration to help us !!!!!

 

[Ankit Kumar]

@All Indian members

How do you rate the probability of a JV on seeker between DRDO and MBDA.

Astra was planned to be test fired with an Indian one by December but we don't see that happening.
It would be better if we do a JV.

AND how do you rate the performance of the present Russian seeker?

 

[knight11]

How do you rate the probability of a JV on seeker between DRDO and MBDA.

I don't think its happening, however interested in Seeker of Derby, Python and SBR --- Software based Radar and dual color IR seaker.

Astra was planned to be test fired with an Indian one by December but we don't see that happening.
It would be better if we do a JV.

Astra -1 is scheduled to be inducted in 2016, MK-2 development, will give India boast in defense with 100 KM range, however Ramjet propulsion is the key.

AND how do you rate the performance of the present Russian seeker?

The present Russian seeker is Agaat KU band seeker from Russia. It is also used by Chinese in their PL-12, SD-10A and SD-10B BVRAAM. Desi KU band seeker have been fabricated and is going intensive testing, and expected to be ready by 2017.

 

[Shankranthi]

True but you have to give something to get something.

Basically there are two issues. US wanted India to sign the below agreements and Increase FDI in defence to 100% to share the defense tech with India. UPA did not agree to these but BJP has agreed and the deal is moving forward now. BJP need to expedite and ensure that this deal is completely sealed before 2019. Parrikar has already confirmed that 100% FDI in defense is on the table.

Logistics Support Agreement (LSA),
Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA),
Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial Cooperation (BECA)

That is like saying you have to sell your mother to make some quick buck.

Now such "deals" may be acceptable to you, but not to many of us.

100% FDI is only on the table on a specific case to case basis IF and ONLY IF the offered technology will help us leapfrog a generation ahaed. Specifically technology like F35 and F22 being made in India.

LSA will force India to provide logistic support to US Military assets to perpetuate their global hegemony. No way in HELL is India or BJP ever going to allow that.

CIMOSA will ensure US will get to know the communication standards and Framework of our Military operations and is a direct threat to our operational secrecy and information security. So it Not Happening any-time soon since US is untrustworthy.

BECA will Ensure India has to hand over OUR maps; charts; commercial and other unclassified imagery; other geospatial information and data, including geodetic. geophysical, geomagnetic. and gravity data to the US Govt. ...... that is NOt happening either.

Any of this will happen if India faces an imminent threat which is greater than the US.


Then again it is much more sensible to join the Sino-Russia axis in a few decades when we will be advanced enough. US is half way around the world and is a declining power. China is right Next door and is a rising power.



Long back BEFORE you were Born, the Indian Rulers signed a similar agreement with the East India Company and the result was 200 years of Colonial Rule.

One would think that History Taught US SOMETHING.