Nice assesment of Pakistan by Dr Shashi Tharoor

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@Joe Shearer @Spectre

 

[That Guy]

He makes a lot of fundamental mistakes (gdp argument, taliban argument, kashmir argument, India's motives, Pakistan's motive...etc), so no, it isn't a nice assessment.

What he's doing is parroting tired old arguments, nothing more.

 

[Path-Finder]

He is a nationalist indian and that is fine. Ofcourse no indian can ever digest Pakistan so lets not be bothered by Mr Tharoor.

 

[Hamza913]

He was wrong about the GDP and army thing. Even if he was right, it's becasue we have a small economy, so of course the percentage will be higher.

As for Pakistan having nothing India wants, you want Baluchistan, Kashmir, Siachen, and very clearly East Pakistan as after they got indepndence, you started taking their land and still do.

Also, Pakistan introducing militants is false. India did it first in 1971.

Oh and our terrorists aren't homegrown. The Taliban and other Afghan groups we have funded are not currently fighting us.

And India isn't a free society, you can't eat beef without fear of death.

Overall, a piss poor assessment only an idiot would think is actually good.

 

[Laozi]

He makes a lot of fundamental mistakes (gdp argument, taliban argument, kashmir argument, India's motives, Pakistan's motive...etc), so no, it isn't a nice assessment.

What he's doing is parroting tired old arguments, nothing more.

Can you suggest someone who is an acclaimed name in geopolitics and whose assessment and solutions do not have fundamental mistakes ?
regards

@Path-Finder @dsr478

 

[That Guy]

Can you suggest someone who is an acclaimed name in geopolitics and whose assessment and solutions do not have fundamental mistakes ?
regards

@Path-Finder @dsr478

There is a difference between getting a few things wrong, and having most of your argument be wrong.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

He is a nationalist indian

LOL...If Shashi Tharoor reads this, he will have a heart attack.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Bash Pakistan=good assessment

Praise Pakistan=foolish assessment

Bharti logic...

 

[Nilgiri]

LOL...If Shashi Tharoor reads this, he will have a heart attack.

He actually has a bit of a soft spot for Modi compared to most Congressi chamchas.

But yeah I would agree hehe.

 

[Pandora]

An indian making a nice assessment of Pakistan . Even title of thread feels like a cruel joke to humanity. For making a good assesment an indian needs to get over the butt hurt of partition which will never gonna happen.

 

[Samrat420]

He was wrong about the GDP and army thing. Even if he was right, it's becasue we have a small economy, so of course the percentage will be higher.

As for Pakistan having nothing India wants, you want Baluchistan, Kashmir, Siachen, and very clearly East Pakistan as after they got indepndence, you started taking their land and still do.

Also, Pakistan introducing militants is false. India did it first in 1971.

Oh and our terrorists aren't homegrown. The Taliban and other Afghan groups we have funded are not currently fighting us.

And India isn't a free society, you can't eat beef without fear of death.

Overall, a piss poor assessment only an idiot would think is actually good.

Let me try and respond to your points one by one.

★ India wants Kashmir from Pakistan -- Errr.. No. India doesn't want the part of Kashmir that's presently under Pakistani control. She lays claim to it simply on legal grounds in an attempt to use it as a bargaining chip to get LOC declared as the IB. No more no less.

★ India wants Siachen from Pakistan -- Errr.. No.. The whole of Siachen is already under Indian control. India can't snatch something that's already in her possession.

★ India wants Baluchistan from Pakistan -- Again No.. I don't know where you even got this notion, but India has never laid any claim whatsoever to Baluchistan. Even when the Khan of Kalat offered to join Indian Union, India refused citing lack of territorial contiguity.

★ India has taken land from east Pakistan -- Now this claim is simply hilarious. A quick google search would tell you that India has actually ceded territory to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) in the recent border agreement, which is opposite to what you claim.

★ India introduced militants first in 1971 --- Errr.. No. Militants were introduced by Pakistan as earlier as 1948. Remember the first Kashmir war? Remember those Pashtun tribesmen? Yeah.. They come under the category of ‘militants'.

★ Your terrorists aren't homegrown --- This one is partially true. The terrorists attacking Pakistan weren't raised for what they're doing now, but ‘homegrown' they certainly are. They're like a lab virus that mutated and went out of control.

★ Beef Ban --- Well.. India is as free as any other society in the world. Tell me of one nation on the planet where I can draw cartoons of your prophet without getting marked for death, either by the non-state actors or the state itself.

 

[Hamza913]

Let me try and respond to your points one by one.

★ India wants Kashmir from Pakistan -- Errr.. No. India doesn't want the part of Kashmir that's presently under Pakistani control. She lays claim to it simply on legal grounds in an attempt to use it as a bargaining chip to get LOC declared as the IB. No more no less.

★ India wants Siachen from Pakistan -- Errr.. No.. The whole of Siachen is already under Indian control. India can't snatch something that's already in her possession.

★ India wants Baluchistan from Pakistan -- Again No.. I don't know where you even got this notion, but India has never laid any claim whatsoever to Baluchistan. Even when the Khan of Kalat offered to join Indian Union, India refused citing lack of territorial contiguity.

★ India has taken land from east Pakistan -- Now this claim is simply hilarious. A quick google search would tell you that India has actually ceded territory to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) in the recent border agreement, which is opposite to what you claim.

★ India introduced militants first in 1971 --- Errr.. No. Militants were introduced by Pakistan as earlier as 1948. Remember the first Kashmir war? Remember those Pashtun tribesmen? Yeah.. They come under the category of ‘militants'.

★ Your terrorists aren't homegrown --- This one is partially true. The terrorists attacking Pakistan weren't raised for what they're doing now, but ‘homegrown' they certainly are. They're like a lab virus that mutated and went out of control.

★ Beef Ban --- Well.. India is as free as any other society in the world. Tell me of one nation on the planet where I can draw cartoons of your prophet without getting marked for death, either by the non-state actors or the state itself.

1. Yes you do, and you just said so. It doesn't matter why, all that matters is that you do.

2. Not all of Siachen is under Indian control, but most of it is. Also, India was the one who first started putting troops up there, so yes you did want it and want the rest of it too, as the part Pakistan controls is pretty damn important, and taking that would be a strategic advantage. It is effectively the only part of the Siachen worth fighting for, it connects to a bunch of places.

3. India might not want it for itself, but you want to take it away from Pakistan. India has funded Baluchi insurgents and I won't even mention the spies that have been busted there, or that BLA leaders have admitted it themselves.

4. India has taken territory from Bangladesh, look it up and ask any Bangladeshi's, they will agree.

5. They were paramilitaries, actually. There's a difference.

6. No, my statement is entirely true. The Afghan Taliban and LeT do not attack Pakistan. As for the TTP, we didn't fund them. Our terrorism is because we made the mistake of helping the US.

7. India is not as free as any other society in the world. If you can't eat beef without fear of death, your society is not free. As for drawing cartoons of our prophets, there are numerous states you can go to for that one.

 

[Joe Shearer]

He is a nationalist indian and that is fine. Ofcourse no indian can ever digest Pakistan so lets not be bothered by Mr Tharoor.

Just out of curiousity, might one ask; what other kind of Indian had you hoped to find? And what kind of Indian opinion bothers you in the first place?

 

[Hamza913]

Just out of curiousity, might one ask; what other kind of Indian had you hoped to find? And what kind of Indian opinion bothers you in the first place?

We were hoping for a fair assessment, unfortunately, we didn't get one.

 

[Joe Shearer]

We were hoping for a fair assessment, unfortunately, we didn't get one.

Thank you. And now, the answers to my questions?