Next war with opponents from Sangh pariwar will be different

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Firstly unlike you keyboard warriors I hope there is no war even a non-nuclear one, as the damage it could cause would be unfathomable.

Anyway a small comparison between the military might will show while the battle will be bloody and cost India a good deal they will prevail in the end.

And be sure if a war breaks out world powers will ensure Pak don't have the ability to press the nuclear button. Most probably your nuclear assets will be seized before outbreak of a war. How? Well, India is responsible country and will make sure to keep the powers like US-Russia and China in loop, And while they could trust India's word on non-use of nuclear weapons, they will feel more comfortable if Pakistan didn't have the option to begin with. And India wont hold back once the nuclear threat is out.

Anyway conventional war wise, it should take days, maybe a few weeks at max for India to neutralize the threat.

The real problem for India would be after the war. What would India do after the victory? While we'll have plenty of mess on our side to deal with, what has to be done with Pakistan will be a problem for India because

a) it has no expansionist agenda and
b) it will be a mess that can't be left alone.

EPIC FAIL. More indian bollywood delusions and fantasies. If any of what you said was true than india would have attacked Pakistan after mumbai 2008 and URI last month. That too especially as india is more than 7x bigger than Pakistan and has abundant access to all the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege. Not to mention the fact that if the Iraqi resistance managed to inflict heavy casualties against the americans between 2003-08, imagine what the Pakistani resistance would do to the indians. That too when there are 8× as many Pakistanis than Iraqis, who are better armed, have more advanced & deadly weapons and are better trained than the Iraqi fighters. Bearing in mind the fact that the Indians are many more times weaker than the americans. If the americans were serious about stopping Pakistan using nukes then they would have prevented us from becoming a nuclear weapons state. Every Pentagon simulated american military attack to seize Pakistan's nukes has ended in failure. The reasons are obvious and explains why the Israelis bailed out at their attempts to launch an attack to destroy Pakistan's nuclear weapons program.

Also, the Chinese have initially invested in at least $51 billion in Pakistan via CPEC with many more billions earmarked for investments in the coming years/decades. And the Chinese will not want to see that expensive investment damaged even with a conventional war with India. As a result the Chinese would covertly supply Pakistan with their top of the line advanced weapons systems to destroy the indian invading forces.

It would matter in future- Congress is slowly but definitely diminishing Force- Actually It is amazing that It has lasted as long without a dedicated cadre base-

The Right Wing and Socialists hold the future- It would be interesting to see how they would go about Pakistan- It surely matters what 1.3 billion people hold an opinion on- And the OP shows It does matters a lot in Pakistan-

Situation would be far better If Pakistanis had got their acts together- I don't see much improvement in Pakistan in near future-

WRONG. Improvements are happening in Pakistan in all aspects since the successful initiation of CPEC. The entire national infrastructure of Pakistan is improving to levels that were deemed impossible just 2 years ago. That is the ground reality in Pakistan which I witnessed myself just a few months ago during my latest trip there.

1.3 billion indians can do nothing to Pakistan now, they won't be able to in the future. Pakistan has about as much in common with them as Turkey and Lebanon does. indians are a very alien people to us.

Keep hallucinating as you will. China taking India's side after India becoming an American tool to kill CPEC!? Wow! Hallucinations are become more extreme with time.

Too much delusions caused by excessive viewing of bollywood fantasies. Some of these guys think that india is more advanced than the West & Russia.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

WRONG. Improvements are happening in Pakistan in all aspects since the successful initiation of CPEC. The entire national infrastructure of Pakistan is improving to levels that were deemed impossible just 2 years ago. That is the ground reality in Pakistan which I witnessed myself just a few months ago during my latest trip there.

1.3 billion indians can do nothing to Pakistan now, they won't be able to in the future. Pakistan has about as much in common with them as Turkey and Lebanon does. indians are a very alien people to us.

I don't see anything new- that can be labeled as an improvement- Most of CPEC is not investments but loans on sovereign guarantee and that too at high interest rates- It is more of an alternate IMF which will give loans and make roads, dams and power stations and earn from them- Infrastructure improvement is good If It backed by economy- else It is good for nothing white elephant- and yes It has to be affordable to the economy too- Had the cement and steel being manufactured in Pakistan to be used in CPEC infra- even then It would have been something better- What I can see here is China dumping their surplus by providing loans-

1.3 billion people can do many things- Which only 1.3 billion people understand- I see you live in the UK- you should have known that at least- Delusions about being Martians doesn't help at all-

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I don't see anything new- that can be labeled as an improvement- Most of CPEC is not investments but loans on sovereign guarantee and that too at high interest rates- It is more of an alternate IMF which will give loans and make roads, dams and power stations and earn from them- Infrastructure improvement is good If It backed by economy- else It is good for nothing white elephant- and yes It has to be affordable to the economy too- Had the cement and steel being manufactured in Pakistan to be used in CPEC infra- even then It would have been something better- What I can see here is China dumping their surplus by providing loans-

1.3 billion people can do many things- Which only 1.3 billion people understand- I see you live in the UK- you should have known that at least- Delusions about being Martians doesn't help at all-

Using the same excuses indians used to explain why Pakistan could never become a nuclear weapons state. Epic fail then, epic fail now.

Where were 1.3 billion after mumbai 2008 & URI last month?

Us Pakistanis are as much indian as we are Martians

 

[JazbaatiHindustaani]

EPIC FAIL. More indian bollywood delusions and fantasies. If any of what you said was true than india would have attacked Pakistan after mumbai 2008 and URI last month. That too especially as india is more than 7x bigger than Pakistan and has abundant access to all the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege. Not to mention the fact that if the Iraqi resistance managed to inflict heavy casualties against the americans between 2003-08, imagine what the Pakistani resistance would do to the indians. That too when there are 8× as many Pakistanis than Iraqis, who are better armed, have more advanced & deadly weapons and are better trained than the Iraqi fighters. Bearing in mind the fact that the Indians are many more times weaker than the americans. If the americans were serious about stopping Pakistan using nukes then they would have prevented us from becoming a nuclear weapons state. Every Pentagon simulated american military attack to seize Pakistan's nukes has ended in failure. The reasons are obvious and explains why the Israelis bailed out at their attempts to launch an attack to destroy Pakistan's nuclear weapons program.

This is why India is not attacking. Like I said in my post, India will face a huge problem post war. Defeating Pakistan shouldn't be a problem its after that, what I feel India is not equipped to handle.

Due to the size of the country and superiority in military strength we will prevail but at a very huge cost. Which is what has been stopping us.

As unlike some countries our agenda is economic growth, not fostering terrorist elements.

Also, the Chinese have initially invested in at least $51 billion in Pakistan via CPEC with many more billions earmarked for investments in the coming years/decades. And the Chinese will not want to see that expensive investment damaged even with a conventional war with India. As a result the Chinese would covertly supply Pakistan with their top of the line advanced weapons systems to destroy the indian invading forces.

If you think China will risk further loss in an event of full-scale war between India and Pakistan by supplying you with free arms from their top of the line technology, good day to you sir. Why do you even spend anything on defence then? When your iron brother China will provide you them for free.

USA's policy with regards to Pakistan has always been shady, now it has changed though. Osama's capture and kill was the last straw and they know now not to trust you in any event.

They came and killed Osama (don't bother denying it) and you couldn't do anything. India did a surgical strike (again don't bother denying it) and you did nothing in return. Unfortunately all you have been fed is propoganda as to your military might, the only reason no country has come and denuclearised you is the fear of failure, even 1% is too huge a risk.

In a war like situation, they will have no choice as they know Pakistan's first strike policy or Pakistan's glove in hand relationship with certain internationally banned organisations could well be a bigger risk. So be sure they wont sit idly by and let you use nukes

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

Using the same excuses indians used to explain why Pakistan could never become a nuclear weapons state. Epic fail then, epic fail now.

Where were 1.3 billion after mumbai 2008 & URI last month?

Us Pakistanis are as much indian as we are Martians

I don't understand- Is there some mental disorder or something about you people- that Nuclear weapons has to come in every topic- even when economy was being discussed- you and me both know how Pakistan got Nuclear weapons- Your Nuclear weapons at best are a subject of Nuisance for rest of the world- nothing more- and for the sake of people who take pride in being being a Nuclear armed state- you should hope It remains of nuisance value and nothing more than that-

I don't want to elaborate- as It would be futile- You should go through what sensible people are saying about those two incidents and the impact Pakistan have had due to such incident- while you seem to be considering It as some sort of accomplishment-

 

[JazbaatiHindustaani]

In conventional war, we will use the tactical nukes on the Indian Army on our own soil.

And it's a Indian dream that Pakistan will loose its nukes. No power so far has been able to take away nuclear weapons from any nuclear state.

Neutralise Pakistan's nuclear weapons and army in a conventional war ... yeah right .. keep telling other hallucinating Hindus that stuff of bollywood.

And in this conventional war you speak of, Chinese air and sea power will be fighting alongside Pakistan. Wait and see.

Until then keep hallucinating

Is it me who is hallucinating?

1947, 71, 1999

Where were your iron brother's army?

Don't wana talk about past, what is Pakistan doing spending so much on defence, when they will have entire Chinese top of the line military weaponry at their disposal for free?

 

[Verve]

Is it me who is hallucinating?

1947, 71, 1999

Where were your iron brother's army?

Don't wana talk about past, what is Pakistan doing spending so much on defence, when they will have entire Chinese top of the line military weaponry at their disposal for free?

Either you are intentionally ignoring the importance of CPEC to China or you are oblivious.

Go and understand that first and your questions will be answered. However as you are hallucinating, that may not be possible.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

This is why India is not attacking. Like I said in my post, India will face a huge problem post war. Defeating Pakistan shouldn't be a problem its after that, what I feel India is not equipped to handle.

Due to the size of the country and superiority in military strength we will prevail but at a very huge cost. Which is what has been stopping us.

As unlike some countries our agenda is economic growth, not fostering terrorist elements.



If you think China will risk further loss in an event of full-scale war between India and Pakistan by supplying you with free arms from their top of the line technology, good day to you sir. Why do you even spend anything on defence then? When your iron brother China will provide you them for free.

USA's policy with regards to Pakistan has always been shady, now it has changed though. Osama's capture and kill was the last straw and they know now not to trust you in any event.

They came and killed Osama (don't bother denying it) and you couldn't do anything. India did a surgical strike (again don't bother denying it) and you did nothing in return. Unfortunately all you have been fed is propoganda as to your military might, the only reason no country has come and denuclearised you is the fear of failure, even 1% is too huge a risk.

In a war like situation, they will have no choice as they know Pakistan's first strike policy or Pakistan's glove in hand relationship with certain internationally banned organisations could well be a bigger risk. So be sure they wont sit idly by and let you use nukes

Military victory for India is not an assured thing and can be highly doubtful if they attempt to invade Pakistan. If the Chinese helped Pakistan become a nuclear weapons state then it will be elementary for them to supply us with top of the line world class advanced weapons systems. Especially since the Chinese helped Pakistan achieve this:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

The americans carried out the OBL strike but the indian phantom strike is even being questioned by many Indians themselves. Pakistan may not be able to fight back against the americans just yet but they are more than capable of fighting against India. Even the indian allies and world community havn't confirmed the phantom indian surgical strikes. Wonder why? With a proven track record of Indian lies, it's not hard to know the answer to that one.

If Pakistan does launch a nuclear attack on India and vice versa, the americans would not care. indians (and Pakistanis) have nothing in common with the americans and the they could not care less what happens to them. americans do not care about the lives of non-Western peoples. Which is why they nuked Japan and spared Germany I during WW2.

I don't understand- Is there some mental disorder or something about you people- that Nuclear weapons has to come in every topic- even when economy was being discussed- you and me both know how Pakistan got Nuclear weapons- Your Nuclear weapons at best are a subject of Nuisance for rest of the world- nothing more- and for the sake of people who take pride in being being a Nuclear armed state- you should hope It remains of nuisance value and nothing more than that-

I don't want to elaborate- as It would be futile- You should go through what sensible people are saying about those two incidents and the impact Pakistan have had due to such incident- while you seem to be considering It as some sort of accomplishment-

Could not give a toss...........

 

[Verve]

We can go hungry but we will have our arms to defend our land.

My .308, AR15, AK47 and 9mm are waiting for the Hallucinating Hindu soldiers to step on my land. You lot underestimate the fighting spirit and abilities of Pakistanis. Even if I kill one invading H-Hindu soldier, I'll consider my duty for my country accomplished. And there are many like me who are prepared for you hate-driven nutcases with expansionist agendas.

 

[PK_Patriot]

RSS ko chodo aur Pakistan par dhyaan do....

I have concentration on Pakistan that is why I have initiated this topic.

 

[abrar khan]

Firstly unlike you keyboard warriors I hope there is no war even a non-nuclear one, as the damage it could cause would be unfathomable.

Anyway a small comparison between the military might will show while the battle will be bloody and cost India a good deal they will prevail in the end.

And be sure if a war breaks out world powers will ensure Pak don't have the ability to press the nuclear button. Most probably your nuclear assets will be seized before outbreak of a war. How? Well, India is responsible country and will make sure to keep the powers like US-Russia and China in loop, And while they could trust India's word on non-use of nuclear weapons, they will feel more comfortable if Pakistan didn't have the option to begin with. And India wont hold back once the nuclear threat is out.

Anyway conventional war wise, it should take days, maybe a few weeks at max for India to neutralize the threat.

The real problem for India would be after the war. What would India do after the victory? While we'll have plenty of mess on our side to deal with, what has to be done with Pakistan will be a problem for India because

a) it has no expansionist agenda and
b) it will be a mess that can't be left alone.

Mr. Jazbatti just reply me these simple questions,
Whole universe inclusive US, Europe, India and Israel did their best to stop Pakistan to gain nuclear tech, even several time India and Israel (backed by west) planned to sabotage Pakistan's nuclear facilities but could not. Now a days Pakistan have much advance military and weapons inclusive nuke missiles, how the hell one can neutralize our nukes without our consent?
How come you assume that Indians are the responsible nation while commiting all the atrocities in IOK and Pakistan is irresponsible?
Please justify your arguments.

Firstly unlike you keyboard warriors I hope there is no war even a non-nuclear one, as the damage it could cause would be unfathomable.

Anyway a small comparison between the military might will show while the battle will be bloody and cost India a good deal they will prevail in the end.

And be sure if a war breaks out world powers will ensure Pak don't have the ability to press the nuclear button. Most probably your nuclear assets will be seized before outbreak of a war. How? Well, India is responsible country and will make sure to keep the powers like US-Russia and China in loop, And while they could trust India's word on non-use of nuclear weapons, they will feel more comfortable if Pakistan didn't have the option to begin with. And India wont hold back once the nuclear threat is out.

Anyway conventional war wise, it should take days, maybe a few weeks at max for India to neutralize the threat.

The real problem for India would be after the war. What would India do after the victory? While we'll have plenty of mess on our side to deal with, what has to be done with Pakistan will be a problem for India because

a) it has no expansionist agenda and
b) it will be a mess that can't be left alone.

Mr. Jazbatti just reply me these simple questions,
Whole universe inclusive US, Europe, India and Israel did their best to stop Pakistan to gain nuclear tech, even several time India and Israel (backed by west) planned to sabotage Pakistan's nuclear facilities but could not. Now a days Pakistan have much advance military and weapons inclusive nuke missiles, how the hell one can neutralize our nukes without our consent?
How come you assume that Indians are the responsible nation while commiting all the atrocities in IOK and Pakistan is irresponsible?
Please justify your arguments.

 

[ManavKalia]

The entire indian establishment were saying pre-May 1998 that Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. I remember it clearly. indians were so confident in this assertion that many prominent indian politicians, experts and military pundits suggested that india should "punish" Pakistan by launching a full scale nuclear assault on it. As Pakistan would not be able to fight back and it would permanently solve the "Pakistan problem". The indians were completely aghast and taken aback when Pakistan detonated it's nuclear devices. indians were completely caught of guard as what they thought was impossible become possible.

So when indians say that Pakistan can't do x, you or z it's very hard to believe and take them seriously.

Your assumptions about China are laughable. The Chinese have reached a stage whereby they are the ONLY other nation on earth that can 100% indigenously produce world class advanced weapons systems like the West and Russia does. Just because they have not PUBLICLY admitted to having an ABM system/program doesn't mean to say it doesn't exist. Just like when indians doubted pre-May 1998 that Pakistan did not have a nuclear weapons program.

I don't remember this statement you're referring to about Indians saying Pakistan won't have nuclear bombs, even with China's help. Maybe you're right, it'll help your case if you can quote any source for reference, so I can refresh my memory.

Regarding China you're factually incorrect as they have officially admitted to having ABM system, and details are in public domain.

That's why I'm saying they themselves have a long way to go, and won't be able to help you catch up.

As ABM is not like nuclear weaponry which is a binary event. I.e. a bomb can either explode successfully or fail to do so. But ABM requires constant soft as well as hard upgrading, to evolve with emerging missile tech, and is not a binary event.

Just Google missile defence to understand ABM better. And Google missile defence China to understand factual accuracy of your claims regarding Chinese ABM.

And post the link about your claim about Indians saying you won't be about to acquire nuclear tech even with Chinese help, because from what I remember, it was that you'll not be able to acquire nuclear tech independently on your own without outside help from a nuclear power.

You need to also add India second strike capability from sea,after induction of INS ARIHANT in scene.
Its an another detterence in case of nuke strike..

Yes I know. I was quoting ABM specifically independently as nuclear deterrence regardless of first strike and second strike capability.

Pakistan doesn't have parity in second strike capability, and I don't see them achieving this parity anytime soon.

 

[abrar khan]

Firstly unlike you keyboard warriors I hope there is no war even a non-nuclear one, as the damage it could cause would be unfathomable.

Anyway a small comparison between the military might will show while the battle will be bloody and cost India a good deal they will prevail in the end.

And be sure if a war breaks out world powers will ensure Pak don't have the ability to press the nuclear button. Most probably your nuclear assets will be seized before outbreak of a war. How? Well, India is responsible country and will make sure to keep the powers like US-Russia and China in loop, And while they could trust India's word on non-use of nuclear weapons, they will feel more comfortable if Pakistan didn't have the option to begin with. And India wont hold back once the nuclear threat is out.

Anyway conventional war wise, it should take days, maybe a few weeks at max for India to neutralize the threat.

The real problem for India would be after the war. What would India do after the victory? While we'll have plenty of mess on our side to deal with, what has to be done with Pakistan will be a problem for India because

a) it has no expansionist agenda and
b) it will be a mess that can't be left alone.

Mr. Jazbatti just reply me these simple questions,
Whole universe inclusive US, Europe, India and Israel did their best to stop Pakistan to gain nuclear tech, even several time India and Israel (backed by west) planned to sabotage Pakistan's nuclear facilities but could not. Now a days Pakistan have much advance military and weapons inclusive nuke missiles, how the hell one can neutralize our nukes without our consent?
How come you assume that Indians are the responsible nation while commiting all the atrocities in IOK and Pakistan is irresponsible?
Please justify your arguments.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I don't remember this statement you're referring to about Indians saying Pakistan won't have nuclear bombs, even with China's help. Maybe you're right, it'll help your case if you can quote any source for reference, so I can refresh my memory.

Regarding China you're factually incorrect as they have officially admitted to having ABM system, and details are in public domain.

That's why I'm saying they themselves have a long way to go, and won't be able to help you catch up.

As ABM is not like nuclear weaponry which is a binary event. I.e. a bomb can either explode successfully or fail to do so. But ABM requires constant soft as well as hard upgrading, to evolve with emerging missile tech, and is not a binary event.

Just Google missile defence to understand ABM better. And Google missile defence China to understand factual accuracy of your claims regarding Chinese ABM.

And post the link about your claim about Indians saying you won't be about to acquire nuclear tech even with Chinese help, because from what I remember, it was that you'll not be able to acquire nuclear tech independently on your own without outside help from a nuclear power.



Yes I know. I was quoting ABM specifically independently as nuclear deterrence regardless of first strike and second strike capability.

Pakistan doesn't have parity in second strike capability, and I don't see them achieving this parity anytime soon.

I clearly remember those comments from indian so called "experts". Will try to find it and post it here. Bit I remember one indian politician in particular was advocating nuking Pakistan on Chanel 4 news (UK 19:00HRS) in late May 1998. Those comments are stuck in my head. His justification was that Pakistan could never retaliate and that the americans had done it to the Japanese so the indians should be allowed to do it to us. That's when I realised the TRUE intentions of the indian race towards Pakistan. And that anything an indian says is worth less than toilet paper.

With regards to Pakistan not having a 2nd or 3rd strike capability any time soon?...... indra ghandi once said in the early 80s that Pakistan would not have nukes in a 100 years. That was another usual indian fail with regards to Pakistan.

 

[ManavKalia]

I clearly remember these comments from indian so called "experts". Will try to find it and post it here. Bit I remember 1 indian politician in particular was advocating nuking Pakistan on Chanel 4 news (UK 19:00HRS) in late May 1998. Those comments are stuck in my head. His justification was that Pakistan could never retaliate and that the americans had done it to the Japanese so the indians should be allowed to do it to us. That's when I realised the TRUE intentions of the indian race towards Pakistan. And that anything an indian says is worth less than toilet paper.

Would be good to have a link to your statement, so I can respond.

Your politicians regularly threaten use of nuclear weapons against us, even knowing that we'll retaliate in kind.

There are enough idiots on both sides of the border. You don't need to take them seriously as we don't take them seriously on either side.

You mentioned UK news channel, if you're in the UK you would also know that 99% Desi's there from both countries are quite amicable towards each other, and don't buy the rhetoric of both nations.