Next Step for Pakistan -> Full Nato Ally?

[ARCHON]

Hellow!! *KNOCK KNOCK*Do you have any idea what is goin on in here

Yup bro... i have... looks nice .. doesnt it?

 

[mjnaushad]

Thursday, 17 June, 2004, 08:46 GMT 09:46 UK


Date of this article.

 

[Donatello]

Thursday, 17 June, 2004, 08:46 GMT 09:46 UK


Date of this article.

...well that's what the poster says, 'to help with the discussion'

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Good to see the relations warming.Not to forget the good news about 14 F-16s tht followed these meetings.

 

[ARCHON]

Good to see the relations warming.Not to forget the good news about 14 F-16s tht followed these meetings.

Yup let it get more "warmer " and let more good "news" follow..

 

[su-47]

Being a NATO ally is not all its cracked up to be. USA need not share its tech. Look at F-35. Many partners, including UK are complaining US doesn't share sensitive tech.

Also, if you become part of NATO, you have to go to war alongside USA when need be. So if tomorrow USA has a fallout with Saudi and decides to attack (US supported Iraq in Iran-Iraq war, then attacked them when they had a fallout), will Pakistani troops be ready to march into Mecca? Will they be willing to open artillery fire or conduct air strikes on the holy cities if need arises?

Another block should rise:
China
Pakistan
Turkey
Iran
Ukraine
Egypt
Indonesia
Saudis
Libya
malaysia
Other important nations mostly anti NATO countries or anti US\israel

Iran and Saudi don't see eye-to-eye. Plus Saudi won't go anti-USA. Turkey is neither anti-US nor anti-Israel. Current Egypt govt is not anti-USA, and are not at odds with Israel. Ukraine is not anti-USA (actually Ukraine govt wanted to move away from Russia and towards west). And I think Malaysia is not anti-US either. I am not sure about Indonesia.

You want countries that are anti-US and anti-Israel, throw in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan. You can also throw in Venezuela, North Korea and Zimbabwe for good measure (i don't think they are anti-Israel, but they hate USA!).

So the new block can look like this

China
Pakistan
Iran
Indonesia
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Lebanon
Somalia
Sudan
Venezuela
North Korea
Zimbabwe

I just made this list based on your anti US/anti-israel requirement .

 

[ARCHON]

Iran and Saudi don't see eye-to-eye. Plus Saudi won't go anti-USA. Turkey is neither anti-US nor anti-Israel. Current Egypt govt is not anti-USA, and are not at odds with Israel. Ukraine is not anti-USA (actually Ukraine govt wanted to move away from Russia and towards west). And I think Malaysia is not anti-US either. I am not sure about Indonesia.

You want countries that are anti-US and anti-Israel, throw in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan. You can also throw in Venezuela, North Korea and Zimbabwe for good measure (i don't think they are anti-Israel, but they hate USA!).

So the new block can look like this

China
Pakistan
Iran
Indonesia
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Lebanon
Somalia
Sudan
Venezuela
North Korea
Zimbabwe

I just made this list based on your anti US/anti-israel requirement .


Being a NATO ally is not all its cracked up to be. USA need not share its tech. Look at F-35. Many partners, including UK are complaining US doesn't share sensitive tech.

Also, if you become part of NATO, you have to go to war alongside USA when need be. So if tomorrow USA has a fallout with Saudi and decides to attack, will Pakistani troops be ready to march into Mecca?

You forgot to add palestine, iraq,cuba, add saudi , malaysia too

China
Pakistan
Iran
iraq
cuba
palestine
Indonesia
Libya
saudi arabia
malaysia
Yemen
Syria
Lebanon
Somalia
Sudan
Venezuela
North Korea
Zimbabwe


looks matching to :

US
United Kingodm
France
Germany
Japan
South korea
Australia
Isreal
spain
Italy
canada
Sweden
netherlands
South africa
denmark
greece
poland etc

 

[S-A-B-E-R->]

You forgot to add palestine, iraq,cuba, add saudi , malaysia too

China
Pakistan
Iran
iraq
cuba
palestine
Indonesia
Libya
saudi arabia
malaysia
Yemen
Syria
Lebanon
Somalia
Sudan
Venezuela
North Korea
Zimbabwe


looks matching to :

US
United Kingodm
France
Germany
Japan
South korea
Australia
Isreal
spain
Italy
canada
Sweden
netherlands
South africa
denmark
greece
poland etc

this is a major method of getting tost..lol...only 2 (may be 3 )nuclear power against lots of them

 

[third eye]

We shouldn't look for lollipops.

"Khud hi ko kar buland itna..."

No one helps for free.

 

[Donatello]

You forgot to add palestine, iraq,cuba, add saudi , malaysia too

China
Pakistan
Iran
iraq
cuba
palestine
Indonesia
Libya
saudi arabia
malaysia
Yemen
Syria
Lebanon
Somalia
Sudan
Venezuela
North Korea
Zimbabwe


looks matching to :

US
United Kingodm
France
Germany
Japan
South korea
Australia
Isreal
spain
Italy
canada
Sweden
netherlands
South africa
denmark
greece
poland etc

Hmm,

Both lists are funny, as India, a sixth of world's population has been left out in either case.

 

[ARCHON]

Hmm,

Both lists are funny, as India, a sixth of world's population has been left out in either case.

yaa this is for the elite ...

there are some neutral nations like India and Russia ( u forgot that too) brazil etc etc...who wont fit into both parties..

 

[ek_indian]

Hmm,

Both lists are funny, as India, a sixth of world's population has been left out in either case.

You may laugh a bit but I have different views. Seems India is too cunning (Hint: Chanakya's policy).
Also I do not think China would be taking side as well. Why China should do it. Creating so-called alliances would turn the geopolitical relations which even China would be avoiding. And China is smart enough.

P.S. --> China already has SCO. They can use it upto some extent if need arises.

 

[ARCHON]

You may laugh a bit but I have different views. Seems India is too cunning (Hint: Chanakya's policy).
Also I do not think China would be taking side as well. Why China should do it. Creating so-called alliances would turn the geopolitical relations which even China would be avoiding. And China is smart enough.

P.S. --> China already has SCO. They can use it upto some extent if need arises.

Pakistan is also in SCO as an observer.

 

[RPK]

Hmm,

Both lists are funny, as India, a sixth of world's population has been left out in either case.

because we are one of the founder Of NAM

 

[ARCHON]

because we are one of the founder Of NAM

dont post stupid arguments..its the members which counts... not the founder..
Its like saying we are the founder of kabbadi or something similar...


NAM also includes..




Afghanistan
Algeria
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
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Cuba
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Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
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Sudan
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Syria
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Turkmenistan
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Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe