next lal masjid ?masood azhar madrasa bahawalpur

[VCheng]

Apparently there's an exception if the discussion is of any quality and not just trolling. Though the mods really do need to clarify their stance on this.

As for playing holier-than-thou, I'm not saying I am better than @Zarvan or @Peaceful Civilian . I am saying I disagree with their approaches and opinions on this particular matter.

Acting self-righteous definitely does, I agree, make one's argument look bad.

But we also do need to appreciate the fact that one of the two approaches/interpretations in this argument results in militancy and terrorism, while the other attempts to counter that.

Very good points, but please keep in mind that it is very difficult to discuss personal belief systems in any rational manner, specially online.

Let the Mods decide whatever they wish, I will just go back to lurking here. Good Luck!

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Very good points, but please keep in mind that it is very difficult to discuss personal belief systems in any rational manner, specially online.

Let the Mods decide whatever they wish, I will just go back to lurking here. Good Luck!

And they labelled me Jihadi and called me blow myself in Israel and U.S.A while I am strong supporter of both nations and rejects terrorist Hamas and any violence on peaceful civilians In Israel or anywhere...Now, they are trolling or not.
Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Zarvan]

Please develop a habit of reading the post carefully. I am not referring to the time of Mekkah, but time of Madina when several Muslims were stranded in Mekkah and under persecution. Sulah Hudaibyah... rings any bell? What were the conditions? Do you know how many Muslims were being persecuted before and after that?

Regarding Palestine and Chechnya... How many Muslim countries came to help Jinnah when he was struggling for Pakistan? Was his struggle not peaceful? Did he not win you a country? If Jinnah could do it, why nobody from Chechnya or Palestine or Kashmir do it? What they need is a statesman and not jihad (in your meanings) per se. Muslim counties must help them, morally, monetarily, and politically but not militarily unless sanctioned by the UN. You must come out the times when the world was divided in two, dar-ul-Islam and dar-ul-kufr. This division no longer exists because lots of Muslims are residing in non-Muslim countries and vice versa. Rules of the game are changed.

The question is not weather other Muslims comes to help or not the question is weather you are doing your duty or not. Pakistan is Muslim majority state so its leaders prime responsibility is to implement shariat and declare Jihad against those who are oppressing Muslims. Kashmir is closest to us we have to start with that on Palestine put pressure on middle east countries and than liberate Palestine, same goes for Checnya. Jihad is state duty their failure creates space and space is eventually filled by some one else.

 

[nForce]

I guess nobody is stopping you and Zarvan from getting yourselves blown up into an American or Israeli or Bharti compound. Go ahead but spare us from your misinterpretations of Islam and its philosophy of Qattal-fi-sabeel-illah. Thanks.

Not here..They can do that in your drawing room if required.

 

[Mukunda Murthi Rao]

Its very simple they are funded by RAW and our ideology you can understand by looking at Muslim community in India. This you can only do if you stop marginalizing Muslims in India.

Yeah, RAW is funding Islamic state, TTP, but why not masood azhar? I can hardly imagine why there is this partiality?

Also the state of muslims is much better than that of muslims of pakistan, where some of them cannot even call themselves muslims like the ahmedis.

The question is not weather other Muslims comes to help or not the question is weather you are doing your duty or not. Pakistan is Muslim majority state so its leaders prime responsibility is to implement shariat and declare Jihad against those who are oppressing Muslims. Kashmir is closest to us we have to start with that on Palestine put pressure on middle east countries and than liberate Palestine, same goes for Checnya. Jihad is state duty their failure creates space and space is eventually filled by some one else.

Actually TTP and IS wants to implement shariat and wage jihad against kafirs opressing muslims. I really dont know why do oppose TTP and IS? Also you say you govt is not implementing shariat or not waging jihad. TTP wants overthrow your govt to do exactly what you want.
I dont see any difference between you and TTP or IS

 

[Zarvan]

Yeah, RAW is funding Islamic state, TTP, but why not masood azhar? I can hardly imagine why there is this partiality?

Also the state of muslims is much better than that of muslims of pakistan, where some of them cannot even call themselves muslims like the ahmedis.



Actually TTP and IS wants to implement shariat and wage jihad against kafirs opressing muslims. I really dont know why do oppose TTP and IS? Also you say you govt is not implementing shariat or not waging jihad. TTP wants overthrow your govt to do exactly what you want.
I dont see any difference between you and TTP or IS

TTP and ISIS are busy creating fitnah and killing Muslims mostly but as Muslim states are busy sleeping instead if doing Jihad themselves to liberate Muslims, more of these groups are born and getting support which is dangerous.

 

[Mukunda Murthi Rao]

TTP and ISIS are busy creating fitnah and killing Muslims mostly but as Muslim states are busy sleeping instead if doing Jihad themselves to liberate Muslims, more of these groups are born and getting support which is dangerous.

Well, they kill muslims because they think those muslims are supporters of west or supporters of infidels.
TTP says pakistani army is supporting the US, so they are waging war against pak army.
their main aim is to overthrow democracy, implement sharia and create an islamic state and declare jihad against kafirs india and the west.

I dont know why pakistanis say RAW supports TTP, whereas TTP is as big a threat to us as it is to u, if not now, but surely after they succeed in their goals.
After mumbai attacks, when india was mulling carrying out surgical strikes against terror camps in pakistan, TTP declared it would fight alongside pak army against any india aggression.

 

[Zarvan]

Well, they kill muslims because they think those muslims are supporters of west or supporters of infidels.
TTP says pakistani army is supporting the US, so they are waging war against pak army.
their main aim is to overthrow democracy, implement sharia and create an islamic state and declare jihad against kafirs india and the west.

I dont know why pakistanis say RAW supports TTP, whereas TTP is as big a threat to us as it is to u, if not now, but surely after they succeed in their goals.
After mumbai attacks, when india was mulling carrying out surgical strikes against terror camps in pakistan, TTP declared it would fight alongside pak army against any india aggression.

Their actions are not Islamic How can they create state based on Shariah no they can't and won't. TTP announcing to fight alongside Pak Army is nothing but a pathetic joke.

 

[Mukunda Murthi Rao]

Their actions are not Islamic How can they create state based on Shariah no they can't and won't. TTP announcing to fight alongside Pak Army is nothing but a pathetic joke.

Aftermath of the 2008 Mumbai attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Taliban and affiliated groups openly declared their solidarity with Pakistan. The banned Tehrik-e-Taliban had proclaimed that they would send "thousands of (their) well-armed militants" in order to wage jihadagainst India if war should break out. Hundreds of would-be bombers were equipped with suicide jackets and explosive-laden vehicles.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

The question is not weather other Muslims comes to help or not the question is weather you are doing your duty or not. Pakistan is Muslim majority state so its leaders prime responsibility is to implement shariat and declare Jihad against those who are oppressing Muslims. Kashmir is closest to us we have to start with that on Palestine put pressure on middle east countries and than liberate Palestine, same goes for Checnya. Jihad is state duty their failure creates space and space is eventually filled by some one else.

Firstly run a country without taking any financial assistance from sodi nazaam of kufar lol make yourself economic power and only then you would have power to liberate others lol
You are still living in era where few people ride on horses and took few swords with them and conquer the land easily..those days are gone long ago and now its war of economy and you cannot sustain war without money

 

[nForce]

Aftermath of the 2008 Mumbai attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Taliban and affiliated groups openly declared their solidarity with Pakistan. The banned Tehrik-e-Taliban had proclaimed that they would send "thousands of (their) well-armed militants" in order to wage jihadagainst India if war should break out. Hundreds of would-be bombers were equipped with suicide jackets and explosive-laden vehicles.

These people are loose canons and enjoy massive support from elements within Pakistan.
We are a country of 1.2 billion population that has been in the receiving end of such terrorist activities. We need to ensure that these terrorist organizations are destroyed.
Our panel of National Security Advisors understand the requirement and what needs to be done very well.

The very first action is to choke the funding and supply of equipments. Unfortunately, almost the entire state of Pakistan is directly or indirectly involved in funding them or providing logistics. So, we need to destroy Pakistan's economy or ensure their resources are severely limited. That's a vile and evil thing to do. But then again, what other options do we have ?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

. So, we need to destroy Pakistan's economy or ensure their resources are severely limited. That's a vile and evil thing to do. But then again, what other options do we have ?

You are trying your best but will never succeed

 

[Erhabi]

a banner in toll plaza bahawalpur yes its lashker e taiba flag

Lashkar E Taiba se tumhe kya masla hai? India k tatu admi

 

[Musafir117]

We don't need these type of pvt Jehadis militia, our army it self great and strong enough to fight a war and when ever they need extra man power we all Pakistanis fight with them.
We already taste and in a mess regarding with good and bad Taliban and it's time establishment re think it's policies no good no bad jehadis, it's bitter but truth that by force we can't solve Kashmir issue like old days, now both nations are nuked and think thousands time before to start a war, so we don't need pvt militia on any stand by option, get rid from them before they took weapon and start use them on us.

 

[nForce]

You are trying your best but will never succeed

Success is a relative term here.
When you say success, you need to define what is your parameter for success.

Shall I say we have succeeded if bricks start falling off from the Pakistani parliament ? No, probably not.

But, if we succeed in stopping/reducing funds reaching in to the hands of known terrorists as the one described in the starting of the thread, then we may call it a success. Again, it's a continuous process comprising of multiple successes and failures each and every day.

I saw in this thread how dangerous the situation is in Pakistan.

There are Jihadi propaganda materials against India easily available, and funny thing, they don't distribute it for free, people have to pay for it!! So, there is no shortage of like-minded people who are willing to pay and even contribute to the cause.

There are posters promoting war against India everywhere there, and some of them are on govt. installations, out in the public for every one to see, check the images in this thread only.

There are huge madrassas providing training and all sorts of brainwashing to young people.

There are enough unemployed youth there who are willing to be a part of such nefarious activities and they are doing.

Terrorists like Maulana Massod Azhar, who had to be freed only after a hijacking are operating big terrorist organizations inside Pakistan, just 5km away from a big military cantonment and Pakistani authority is doing nothing about it. That's just a brazen way of supporting the same.

Anybody in the right state of mind, after seeing all this, cannot possibly think that India, being in the receiving end will wish them well.
This is what is being done. India is blocking Pakistan economically, be it the rise trade or cotton trade or sea-port access or oil supply lines etc. etc.
India is also lobbying to stop military equipment sale to Pakistan. Probably you would noticed that it has been a long time since Pakistan bought any top of the line military equipment that poses a threat to India. Recently Pakistan was seen buying some second-hand, rejected APCs from US dump in Afghanistan and some obsolete T-55 from Serbia.
India is also surrounding Pakistan geographically. India has excellent relations with Afghanistan, Iran, Srilanka, Tajikistan and China. One would be a fool to think that China will act against India, afterall India's biggest trading partner is China worth more than a 100 billion USD.

I think the trend should continue until and unless all forms of terrorist activities affecting India and it's neighbours directed from Pakistani soil comes to an end. That is for the sake of greater good of the region.