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Thanks you too for providing a fully-detailed response, in response to the claim from the other side on this subject.
It is one of the least known genocides in modern history. It was carried out with such a precision that it is difficult to find its traces, except in the memories of the survivors, and the tales of horror they passed on to their next generations. Around 500,000 Muslims were killed with military precision. It was such an operation that language lacks words to express this offence of demolition of human being.

Though the targeted killing had already started in Jammu around mid July 1947, the operation got a fillip immediately after a fleeing Maharaja Hari Singh and his wife reached Jammu on 26 October 1947. An organised carnage was orchestrated to kill Muslims, wherever found or spotted in Jammu.

British daily The London Times quoting its special correspondent in India stated that the Maharaja, under his own supervision, got assassinated 2,37,000 Muslims, using military forces in the Jammu area. The editor of Statesman, Ian Stephen, in his book Horned Moon writes that till the end of autumn 1947, more than 200,000 Muslims were murdered in one go. Horace Alexander wrote in the Spectator (16 January 1948) that the killings had “the tacit consent of State authority” and put the figure at 2,00,000.

The Hindu Dogra ruler’s main aim was to change the demographic composition of the region by eliminating the Muslim population. Such was the intensity of carnage that in Jammu province about 123 villages were ‘completely depopulated’. Kathua district ‘lost’ almost fifty per cent of its Muslim population. Thousands of Gujars were massacred in mohalla Ramnagar. Village Raipur, within Jammu cantonment area was completely burnt down. The Dogra State troops were at the forefront of attacks on Muslims. The State authorities were also issuing arms not only to local volunteer organizations such as the RSS, but also to those in surrounding East Punjab districts such as Gurdaspur.

The State administration had not only demobilised a large number of Muslim soldiers serving in the state army, but Muslim police officers had also been sent home. In the Jammu city, the Muslim military were disarmed and the Jammu cantonment Muslim Brigadier replaced by a Hindu Dogra officer. Muslims seeking refuge in police stations and Deputy Commissioners’ offices were openly handed over to RSS beasts by the Dogra officers themselves.

Meanwhile, Maharaja of Patiala was not only supplying weapons but also a Brigade of Patiala State troops were operating in Jammu and Kashmir, without whose help and assistance, the objective could not have been achieved with such precision. The Times of London reported the events in Jammu with such a front page headlines: “Elimination of Muslims from Jammu”, and pointed out that Maharaja Hari Singh was “in person commanding all the forces” which were ethnically cleansing the Muslims.

That there was a design to change the demographics is evidenced by another well-reported incident. Prime Minister of Jammu and Kashmir, Mehr Chand Mahajan, upon arrival in Jammu told a delegation of Hindus, which met him in the Palace, that now when the power was being transferred to the people they should better demand parity. When one of the delegation members wanted to know how that was possible, Mahajan, pointing to the Ramnagar natural reserve below, where Muslim corpses were still lying said, “the population ratio too can change” like that (“Elimination of Muslims from Jammu” II, The Times, London, 10 August 1948, page 5. See also Ved Bhasin’s interview to Kashmir Life).

Both documentary and oral sources suggest that the crime committed on the Muslims was nothing less than an organized holocaust. Sheikh Mohammed Abdullah, who was appointed “Chief Emergency Administrator” on 30 October 1947 could not prevent the carnage. He writes in his autobiography Atish-e-Chinar (page 312) that the carnage got impetus after the arrival of Union Home Minster Sardar Patel, Union Defence Minster Baldev Singh along with the Maharaja of Patiala, a person known for his anti-Muslim bias, in Jammu. The trio met various Hindu organizations and delegations, after which the massacre attained a great momentum. Hindu fanatics, aided and abetted by government forces, started burning down village after village inhabited by Muslims. Women were raped at will. Weapons were distributed freely to marauders from the Kachi Chawni house of Pandith Prem Nath Dogra and motivated by Balraj Madhok.
On 6 November surviving Muslims were told to assemble in an open ground, to be sent to Pakistan, herded in trucks like cattle and killed mercilessly with machine gun fire between the Digiana and Samba belt. Women were abducted and raped. Even the daughter of the legendary Chaudhary Ghulam Abbas was not spared. Many women preferred death than falling prey to the cruel beasts who wouldn’t tire calling themselves as secular people.


On the ground, the killing operations were organized, directed and supervised by Maharani Tara Devi in league with her debauch Guru Sat Dev and the governor of Jammu, Chet Ram Chopra. At the politico-administrative level, Sheikh puts the blame solely on the Dogra ruler Hari Singh and Prime Minster Mahajan. At one point of time, Sheikh had even thought of initiating action against the duo for crimes against humanity (Atish-e-Chinar, page 331). But why didn’t he translate his thoughts into action remains shrouded in mystery. Did he surrender this right before Sardar Patel as quid pro quo for prime ministership, which came his way in March 1948? As is generally known, the government of India and the Dogra ruler were only interested in conceding him a limited role in a “Mysore type of government”. But later this plan was changed and Sheikh was offered full-fledged prime ministership. Or was it a result of coercive pressure applied by Patel on Abdullah to imprison his close relative caught red-handed of theft of valuable jewellery in Maharaja of Indore’s (known as Holkars) palace where he was employed?

The other aspect of the carnage was appropriation of properties of Muslims. The Muslim names were immediately erased to conform to new ownership. For instance Urdu Bazar became Rajinder Bazar and Islamia School became Hari Singh High School to conform to the new “ownership”. Almost 95 percent of left-over properties, which should have in the normal course been taken over by the State government were allowed appropriated by looters and rioters (Daily Telegraph of London dated 12 January 1948).

These properties continue to be under the illegal occupation of looters and their descendants and it is precisely for this reason that the Resettlement Bill faces a stiff opposition in Jammu fearing vacation of such properties under a due process of law. Even Indira Gandhi expressed such fears in Jammu in her 1983 election campaign.

Another incident needs a mention here. When Hindu refugees from Muzaffarabad and surrounding areas reaching Kashmir desired to be sent to Jammu or Punjab, local Muslims motivated Kashmiri tongawallas (horse-cart drivers) to transport them to Jammu against heavy odds. Initially 22 tongawallas were hired. They were later joined by many others from the Khannabal-Qazigund rural belt. On return all these poor tongawallas numbering around 90 were massacred near Nagrota. Their only fault was that they made Hindu refugees to reach their destinations safely. What makes this holocaust unique is the complicity of State on the one hand and the exemplary treatment of Kashmiri Muslims to its minorities on the other hand, given the grave provocation of Jammu genocide. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was so disgusted with the carnage that on two occasions (27 November and 25 December, 1947), he made mention of it in following words:

“The Hindus and Sikhs of Jammu and those who had gone there from outside (referring to RSS goons from Gurdaspur and surrounding areas) killed Muslims there. Their women have been dishonored. This has not been fully reported in the newspapers. The Maharaja of Kashmir is responsible for what has happened there” (Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, volume 90, page 115 and 298).


It is no wonder, then, that when Gandhi was killed by an RSS supported Hindu fanatic, sweets were distributed throughout Jammu in special thalis supplied from the Maharaja’s Palace.

But there have been some valiant efforts on the part of a few Hindus also who tried to save the caged Muslims in Jammu those days. The names of Krishen Dev Sethi, Ved Bhasin etc. top that list. But such instances have been few and far.
 
How safe is Kashmir today? Are the Muslims and Hindus etc. of Kashmir living peacefully with each other? Can each side visit each other? I assume no. What about the situation in the Chiense controlled areas of Kashmir?

@Bamxa

That was excellent. Thank you a lot.

I dont know about documentaries but to give a brief account, when the British invaded our part of the world in the 1850s they gave Muslim majority Kashmir to a Hindu named Gulab Singh as he had collaborated with them, and so Kashmir becomes what is known as a "princely state".
Moving forward to the 1940s, as independence came closer the princely states were given a choice to either join India or Pakistan. The Hindu King of Kashmir at that time however would not make a decision with many claiming he actually wanted his own personal kingdom seperate from both India and Pakistan. Due to his delays resentment started rising amongst the Muslims, and the Maharajah reacted with brutality and extreme violence. To give you some examples:

Prem Nath Bazaz, A Hindu Kashmiri Journalist
"Restlessness was universal. In Punch, where thousands of demobilized Muslim veterans live, an open armed rebellion broke out against the Maharaja and his administration. The rebellion spread rapidly to the adjoining area of Mirpur, where war veterans also lived in large numbers. Instead of realizing what he had done, the Maharaja egged on by Congress leaders and his new counsellors, dispatched the whole of the Dogra Army to quell the disturbances, or as one colonel put it, to reconquer the area. The army perpetrated unheard of atrocities on the people of Punch. Whole villages were burned down and innocent people were massacred. Reports reaching Srinagar were not allowed to be published in the Press. No official reports were issued to allay the fears of the public." Official Records of the United Nations Security Council, Meeting No:534, 6 March 1951, pp.3-4

Similarly Alaistair Lamb states:
"There is evidence that from the outset that regular troops and police in the State service joined informally and covertly, but enthusiastically, in these atrocities which, some have estimated, eventually resulted in the death of atleast 200,000 Muslims and drove twice as many into exile.

By the beginning of October the Jammu & Kashmir State authorities joined openly in this anti-Muslim policy by setting out to create along the State's border with Pakistan (in the region of Gujarat and Sialkot) a depopulated zone some three miles deep. Hindus here were evacuated. Muslims were either killed or driven across into Pakistan. On a number of occasions Jammu & Kashmir State Forces actually crossed over into Pakistan and destroyed villages there(well documented acts of Jammu & Kashmir State's "aggression" on its territory which Pakistan has signally failed to exploit in its arguments concerning the rights and wrongs of the Kashmir situation). Early in October British observers saw in one such village on the Pakistan side of the border no fewer than 1,700 corpses of slaughtered Muslim men, women and children. Before 22 October, a crucial date on the Kashmir story, the Pakistan authorities reported that at least 100,000 Muslim refugees from Jammu were being cared for in the neighbourhood of Sialkot. The Government in Karachi might talk about negotiations, but there was a growing body of opinion in Pakistan, particularly in the Punjab, which argued forcefully for more direct action to stop the killing."
Alastair Lamb, Incomplete Partition, Roxford 1997, p.128

As can be seen hence the Kashmiris themselves launched independence wars from the autocratic Hindu monarchs. In the North the Gilgit and Baltistani people successfully ousted the Maharajahs soldiers and then voluntarily united their state with Pakistan (page 68 Conflict Between India and Pakistan: An Encyclopedia - Peter Lyon - Google Books)

Similarly in the south in Poonch and Mirpur Muslims organized themselves and started fighting the Maharajahs army in spring 1947. In September they were joined by tribal Pashtuns from the neighbouring province in Pakistan. (Kashmir: Roots of Conflict, Paths to Peace - Sumantra Bose - Google Books)
The Maharajah under pressure from this internal Muslim revolt and the aid coming from neighbouring Muslim groups gave the state to India who then airlifted its own soldiers into Kashmir and the two sides fought until a UN sponsored ceasefire brought the fighting to a halt with the two sides holding roughly the same land today in Kashmir as they did back in 1948.

I would like to see a good documentary about the Kashmir conflict since I am huge fan of documentaries in general.

Lastly did the Muslims of Kashmir have any ruler? Are there figures that unite most Kashmiris irespectable of religion today?
 
How safe is Kashmir today? Are the Muslims and Hindus etc. of Kashmir living peacefully with each other? Can each side visit each other? I assume no. What about the situation in the Chiense controlled areas of Kashmir?

@Bamxa

That was excellent. Thank you a lot.

Dude i visit Kashmir every year since 6-7 years mostly on pilgrimage(without any passport or visa :D). There are two of the most holiest sites of Hinduism in Kashmir(Amarnath and Vaishno Devi) and this is probably the reason India will never ever let go off Kashmir and will defend it till our last breath. Those sites are comparable to us like what is Makkah and Madina is to you guys.
 
As faujihistorian said OIC is "Oh I See" :lol:

No need to give any importance to what OIC says...

I am surprised that this thread has gone so long
 
Dude i visit Kashmir every year since 6-7 years mostly on pilgrimage(without any passport or visa :D). There are two of the most holiest sites of Hinduism in Kashmir(Amarnath and Vaishno Devi) and this is probably the reason India will never ever let go off Kashmir and will defend it till our last breath. Those sites are comparable to us like what is Makkah and Madina is to you guys.

Really? Did not know about that.

I mean can local Kashmiris who have relatives on for instance all 3 sides (Pakistan controlled Kashmir, Indian controlled Kashmir and Chinese controlled Kashmir) visit each other? Is it not a heavily militarized zone?

PS: Kashmir is Pakistani.:D
 
How safe is Kashmir today? Are the Muslims and Hindus etc. of Kashmir living peacefully with each other? Can each side visit each other? I assume no. What about the situation in the Chiense controlled areas of Kashmir?

All of this is very hard to confirm. 700K to 900K Indian army(excluding other security & paramilitary forces) are present in IOK/Indian Occupied Kashmir/Maqbooza Kashmir & what ever comes out is only by their approval.

On the other hand the US & UK keep promoting Indian propaganda because they need India to contain China. They need India because it is more economically stronger than Pakistan & have some hostility towards China whereas Pakistan is all-weather ally of China - This is not my view point but investigative journalist who is also an expert on this Af-Pak-Kashmir region, Sir Robert Frisk claim. He further said "We(Americans & British) are ignoring injustices of India against Kashmir & Pakistan just because we see India as economically thriving state & a buffer against China"

I would like to see a good documentary about the Kashmir conflict since I am huge fan of documentaries in general.

Unfortunately you cannot get a documentary because of the reasons i mentioned above. You won't like to watch a documentary made by Pakistan or India as they will not be considered neutral. The ones made by Western media services or the media services under Western influence will also be biased due to the reasons i mentioned above. The only way to know reality is to talk Kashmiris who are in foreign countries.
 
Really? Did not know about that.

I mean can local Kashmiris who have relatives on for instance all 3 sides (Pakistan controlled Kashmir, Indian controlled Kashmir and Chinese controlled Kashmir) visit each other? Is it not a heavily militarized zone?

PS: Kashmir is Pakistani.:D

Al-Hasani- nobody lives in the Chinese controlled areas.

Aksai Chin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Trans-Karakoram Tract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Both areas are the most inhospitable, infertile land, no sustainable, long-term human population can even attempt to survive there. The reason China controls it is because China National Highway 219 was built through Aksai Chin.

India controls the best area, the Kashmir Valley, which has most of the population and the most hospitable and fertile land.
 
How safe is Kashmir today? Are the Muslims and Hindus etc. of Kashmir living peacefully with each other? Can each side visit each other? I assume no. What about the situation in the Chiense controlled areas of Kashmir?

@Bamxa

That was excellent. Thank you a lot.



I would like to see a good documentary about the Kashmir conflict since I am huge fan of documentaries in general.

Lastly did the Muslims of Kashmir have any ruler? Are there figures that unite most Kashmiris irespectable of religion today?
the people within IAK AND PAK can visit each other without any probs.
but yes,intra travelling is difficult.
as far chinese controlled region is concerned,it is completely uninhabited.
that region was important for china to have a link between xinjiang and tibet.

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Al-Hasani- nobody lives in the Chinese controlled areas.

Aksai Chin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Trans-Karakoram Tract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Both areas are the most inhospitable, infertile land, no sustainable, long-term human population can even attempt to survive there. The reason China controls it is because China National Highway 219 was built through Aksai Chin.

Why is that so? Would it not make a great living spot?:D Can tourists visit?

So how many live in the Pakistani controlled areas and what percentage of it is fertile? 10% 50%?
 
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Really? Did not know about that.

Both the temples are located in Jammu region near the border of India. Jammu have a Hindu population too. Pakistan also proposed a formula known as river formula according to which the western land of that river will goes to Pakistan & eastern to India or in easy sentence Kashmir will come to Pakistan & Jammu will go to India. Jammu is part of Kashmir too & the population is mostly Hindu(64%) but have 31.5% Muslims, 3% Sikhs & 1.5% other religions too - Kashmir is more than 97%Muslim, 1.5%Hindu & 0.5%Sikh - Ladakh has 48%Muslims, less than 46%Buddhist & 5%Hindus - Overall the whole State has 68%Muslims, 27%Hindus, 3%Sikhs & 2%Buddhists.
 
Its thousands of feet above sea level, the entire region is a frigid ice desert. People will probably get altitude sickness and freeze to death if they stay overnight. The area has no economic value either, China is there for military reasons.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JF14Df02.html

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I know that I could google all the questions that I ask but know when knowledgeable people are around and locals I might ask a few questions. After all locals should at least be more accurate than many of the sources listed, who are undoubtedly biased to a certain degree.

Thank you for that Wholegrain. What altitudes are we talking about here? Between 5500-7000 meters high? I mean what are the highest altitudes that Chinese, Pakistani and Indian troops are stationed at?

Also do you know the percentage of the fertile/inhabitable parts of Pakistani controlled Kashmir? I assume that the Indian controlled Kashmir is the most fertile since you told that thus it must be the most populous and the lowest in terms of altitude am I right? Do you know the percentage of fertile lands in Indian controlled Kashmir?

Marvelous landscapes nevertheless.
 
I know that I could google all the questions that I ask but know when knowledgeable people are around and locals I might ask a few questions. After all locals should at least be more accurate than many of the sources listed, who are undoubtedly biased to a certain degree.

Thank you for that Wholegrain. What altitudes are we talking about here? Between 5500-7000 meters high? I mean what are the highest altitudes that Chinese, Pakistani and Indian troops are stationed at?

Also do you know the percentage of the fertile/inhabitable parts of Pakistani controlled Kashmir? I assume that the Indian controlled Kashmir is the most fertile since you told that thus it must be the most populous and the lowest in terms of altitude am I right? Do you know the percentage of fertile lands in Indian controlled Kashmir?

Marvelous landscapes nevertheless.

Aksai Chin is around 5,180 meters above sea level. Chinese troops are stationed at the border betweeen Aksai chin and Ladakh.I think the highest area between Pakistani and Indian troops is at the Siachen Glacier which is 5,753 meters above sea level. I don't know the percentage of fertile lands, the Indian controlled valley itself is just described as the most populous, fertile part of Kashmir. It is reknown for its beauty, that is where most tourists would want to go. It has around 6,900,000 people.
 

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