New Muslim Block Predicted By Dr Israr Ahmed 25 Years Ago - Koi Arab Mulk Is Mein Nahi Ho

[AfrazulMandal]

He also predicted Pakistan will one day conquer India and finish India forever. He declared that India was marching to its doom and that it was only a matter of time before they will attack Pakistan proper. His whole life was spent warning people of that eventuality. He kept saying for us not to be decieved by Indian state. We should keep the focus on Kashmir.

He said that if Pakistanis do not fix themselves, Allah swt will use other people to do His divine work of finishing the Ghazwa e Hind, similar to how Mongols converted to Islam after destroying the Arabs of Iraq. He was warning us to wake up for a war which is coming.

He also predicted US loss in Afghanistan and the merger of Afghanistan with Pakistan, which would lead to the Khorasaan army (actually Islamized Pakistan army) which will conquer India and Islamize it.

Dr. Israr Ahmad was a true patriot in every sense of the word.

Slight correction.

He never claimed that Pakistan will devastate India.

Just that Pakistani will initiate the complete defeat of Hindutva/Hindu terrorism in India and establishment of just Islamic system. This is not exactly 'finish'ing India.

 

[Jazzbot]

It is my beleive that muslims those dont divide themselve on behalf of sects will be the chosen one by Allah on the day of judgment whether they belong to any sects.

No offense, but this my friend is the root cause of all the problems with sects and divide. Islam was never meant to be learned based on one's own understanding and interpretation of certain verses or hadiths. There are a lot of verses that was revealed under certain context, same goes with hadiths. If you read them in isolation without their actual context, for sure you'll have wrong understanding.

You have to follow at least one of the four imams to understand one school of thought, then comes the comparative study of four school of thoughts to decide what is the best answer to a religious question. While Islam encourages us to do this on our own and have sufficient religious knowledge to understand all this but since we are now more fond of shortcuts and internet etc. At least consult a scholar of your choice or see what renowned scholars say until you reach to a level where you can see things broadly in right perspective and context.

I'll stop at following verse:

O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result. [4:59]

--

Now, coming to your point. Prophet Muhammad predicted about his ummah being divided into many sects (72 as per few hadiths). And then he was asked which sect among these all sects will be on right path? (see the question again, it will be a sect among all others). So saying those who will not indulge into sects are the guided people is incorrect as per Prophet's words. It will clearly be a sect like others, who group as sect and call themselves as a religious sect.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) answered: Those who will stay committed to the preachings of Quran and Hadith, or those who will be closest to the teachings of Quran & Hadith. (In some other hadiths) Those who will stay closest to the way of my companions (Sahaba).

This is the scale that is given to us, Prophet had already answered this question and its valid till end of time. Now we have to go back 14 centuries to see what was the way of Prophet and his companions and then see what we are doing today in our way of life. Its not that difficult to see whether we belong to that one righteous sect or not?

 

[Desert Fox]

@Desert Fox @Iltutmish @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

https://www.pdfdrive.com/rise-and-decline-of-muslim-ummah-by-dr-israr-ahmad-e60359918.html

A must read introductory level booklet. It is a collection of articles of dr Israr. Just 44 pages so you can read it quickly.

Thanks will read it.

 

[-=virus=-]

If there is a muslim block

shouldn't there also be a kafir block ?

 

[L0ne Warri0r]

A New Muslim Bloc!
My Take on it,

There is an intense discussion going on in media and social media in Pakistan about the need of a new muslim bloc supported by China or a Chinese bloc/anti America bloc (if we include Russia in it), not fairly new but has been renewed and now the hottest topic after the latest tension erupted by SM Qureshi remarks about Saudi Arabia and its role on Kashmir issue, most talk about countries to form or lead a new Muslim bloc are four namely Malaysia, Iran, Qatar and Turkey, so in this brief article i will like to talk about these four countries only and their chances to join a chinese bloc respectively, so let start

1)Malaysia
Malaysia has changed drastically after Sir Mahatir, and not looking the same country, which hosted the KL summit last year, as unfortunately Sir Mahatir a true friend of Pakistan is no longer in the office, and due to a powerful ethnically Indian, Hindu minority, India is far strategically rooted in Malaysian state then Pakistan, which will eventually stop Malaysia from participating in any pro Pakistan/China or anti India bloc, that is why after departure of Sir Mahatir, we did not see any statement on Kashmir from Malaysia, even on the anniversary the black day marking abrogation of article 370 on Kashmir, there was a complete silence from Malaysia,
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/...-transformed-since-mahathirs-departure-318925

2) Iran
Iran is a strategic partner of India and unlike what we are being fed recently that Iran has put India out of Chabahar port, which was fake news generated by some media outlet and has been denied by Iranian officials
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ct-citing-funding-delays-200715063259623.html
(It is an updated article after Iranian official denial),
https://en.irna.ir/news/83864796/Iran-India-discuss-railways-cooperation
While their official news agency reports that India and Iran is discussing the Railway Cooperation,
https://en.irna.ir/news/83856537/186-containers-carrying-Afghan-goods-reach-Chabahar-port
And while we are living in fake world, Iran has already started this port to transit goods between Afghanistan and India,
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...nctions-rare-cooperation-200620161933575.html
As nothing stops India from investing in Chabahar because it is exempted from US sanction list.
And then there is a big list of terrorists operating against Pakistan being supported by Iran and hiding in Iran, eg: Kulboshan Yadav and Uzair Baloch, so considering these thing and still putting Iran in a strategic bloc will not going to benefit us but eventually it will hurt our interests.

3) Qatar
Qatar has always been neutral and will remain neutral, as no statement on Kashmir has been seen from it,
Qatar has the largest presence of US military in entire region and serve as the Central Command forward HQ for its forces
https://www.centcom.mil/AREA-OF-RESPONSIBILITY/Qatar/
so its strategic ties with US will stop Qatar from joining any Chinese bloc,

4) Turkey
Last but not the least Turkey, India has just finalized 2.3 billion dollar of worth deal with Turkey, to build naval ships, which eventually will be used against us in the future and Indian navy after announcement of CPEC has become the most important wing of the arm forces to undermine Chinese presence in south China sea and eventually sabotaging CPEC,
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...build-fleet-support-ships/article31893924.ece
so while Turkey is supporting our stance on Kashmir, it is also serving its financial interests by signing a strategic defense deal with India, Turkey is also a part of US lead NATO, responsible for the mess of Terrorism we faced from Afghanistan, which not only targeted our interest by fighting against IEA aka Afghan Taliban but also harbored and made Afghanistan a safe heaven for Terrorists attacking Pakistan, so being a part of NATO will eventually stop Turkey from becoming part of any Chinese bloc, and its current tensions with Russia over Syria makes NATO and US more needed for Turkey then ever before, Turkey is in deep rift with its NATO allies France and Greece also, on Libya and oil exploration in east Mediterranean sea respectively, which is a cause of concern for NATO, as NATO is already under huge pressure to deal with Turkey, so a move to join a Chinese bloc will be the last nail in the coffin for Turkey and not only Turkey will loose EU but will eventually loose US and NATO as well, and China alone cannot provide the support and the assistance these unions and alliances give Turkey strategically, so not only Turkey is in no position of joining any Chinese bloc but it is against Turkish interest as well,
https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-turkey/

Hence to sum it up, a muslim bloc comprising of above mentioned countries is not only impossible but eventually will make things tougher for everyone and surely can not serve our interests, so loosing and sacrificing time tested allies for a new and unrealistic bloc will be a diplomatic suicide for Pakistan,
Lastly an advice to my fellow countrymen that please do not buy every rhetoric thrown at you, do some research and then make an opinion.

 

[L0ne Warri0r]

A New Muslim Bloc!
My Take on it,

There is a intense discussion going on in media and social media in Pakistan about the need of a new muslim bloc supported by China or a Chinese bloc/anti America bloc (if we include Russia in it), not fairly new but has been renewed and now the hottest topic after the latest tension erupted by SM Qureshi remarks about Saudi Arabia and its role on Kashmir issue, most talk about countries to form or lead a new Muslim bloc are four namely Malaysia, Iran, Qatar and Turkey, so in this brief article i will like to talk about these four countries only and their chances to join a chinese bloc respectively, so let start

1)Malaysia
Malaysia is not the same country which hosted the KL summit last year, as unfortunately Sir Mahatir a true friend of Pakistan is no longer in the office, and due to a powerful ethnically Indian, Hindu minority, India is far strategically rooted in Malaysian state then Pakistan, which will eventually stop Malaysia from participating in any pro Pakistan/China or anti India bloc, that is why after departure of Sir Mahatir, we did not see any statement on Kashmir from Malaysia, even on the anniversary the black day marking abrogation of article 370 on Kashmir, there was a complete silence from Malaysia,
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/...-transformed-since-mahathirs-departure-318925

2) Iran
Iran is a strategic partner of India and unlike what we are being fed recently that Iran has put India out of Chabahar port, which was fake news generated by some media outlet and has been denied by Iranian officials
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ct-citing-funding-delays-200715063259623.html
(It is an updated article after Iranian official denial),
https://en.irna.ir/news/83864796/Iran-India-discuss-railways-cooperation
While their official news agency reports that India and Iran is discussing the Railway Cooperation,
https://en.irna.ir/news/83856537/186-containers-carrying-Afghan-goods-reach-Chabahar-port
And while we are living in fake world, Iran has already started this port to transit goods between Afghanistan and India,
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...nctions-rare-cooperation-200620161933575.html
As nothing stops India from investing in Chabahar because it is exempted from US sanction list.
And then there is a big list of terrorists operating against Pakistan being supported by Iran and hiding in Iran, eg: Kulboshan Yadav and Uzair Baloch, so considering these thing and still putting Iran in a strategic bloc will not going to benefit us but eventually it will hurt our interests.

3) Qatar
Qatar has always been neutral and will remain neutral, as no statement on Kashmir has been seen from it,
Qatar has the largest presence of US military in entire region and serve as the Central Command forward HQ for its forces
https://www.centcom.mil/AREA-OF-RESPONSIBILITY/Qatar/
so its strategic ties with US will stop Qatar from joining any Chinese bloc,

4) Turkey
Last but not the least Turkey, India has just finalized 2.3 billion dollar of worth deal with Turkey, to build naval ships, which eventually will be used against us in the future and Indian navy after announcement of CPEC has become the most important wing of the arm forces to undermine Chinese presence in south China sea and eventually sabotaging CPEC,
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...build-fleet-support-ships/article31893924.ece
so while Turkey is supporting our stance on Kashmir, it is also serving its financial interests by signing a strategic defense deal with India, Turkey is also a part of US lead NATO, responsible for the mess of Terrorism we faced from Afghanistan, which not only targeted our interest by fighting against IEA aka Afghan Taliban but also harbored and made Afghanistan a safe heaven for Terrorists attacking Pakistan, so being a part of NATO will eventually stop Turkey from becoming part of any Chinese bloc, and its current tensions with Russia over Syria makes NATO and US more needed for Turkey then ever before, Turkey is in deep rift with its NATO allies France and Greece also, on Libya and oil exploration in east Mediterranean sea respectively, which is a cause of concern for NATO, as NATO is already under huge pressure to deal with Turkey, so a move to join a Chinese bloc will be the last nail in the coffin for Turkey and not only Turkey will loose EU but will eventually loose US and NATO as well, and China alone cannot provide the support and the assistance these unions and alliances give Turkey strategically, so not only Turkey is in no position of joining any Chinese bloc but it is against Turkish interest as well,
https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-turkey/

Hence to sum it up, a muslim bloc comprising of above mentioned countries is not only impossible but eventually will make things tougher for everyone and surely can not serve our interests, so loosing and sacrificing time tested allies for a new and unrealistic bloc will be a diplomatic suicide for Pakistan,
Lastly an advice to my fellow countrymen that please do not buy every rhetoric thrown at you, do some research and then make an opinion.

 

[L0ne Warri0r]

A New Muslim Bloc!
My Take on it,

There is an intense discussion going on in media and social media in Pakistan about the need of a new muslim bloc supported by China or a Chinese bloc/anti America bloc (if we include Russia in it), not fairly new but has been renewed and now the hottest topic after the latest tension erupted by SM Qureshi remarks about Saudi Arabia and its role on Kashmir issue, most talk about countries to form or lead a new Muslim bloc are four namely Malaysia, Iran, Qatar and Turkey, so in this brief article i will like to talk about these four countries only and their chances to join a chinese bloc respectively, so let start

1)Malaysia
Malaysia is not the same country which hosted the KL summit last year, as unfortunately Sir Mahatir a true friend of Pakistan is no longer in the office, and due to a powerful ethnically Indian, Hindu minority, India is far strategically rooted in Malaysian state then Pakistan, which will eventually stop Malaysia from participating in any pro Pakistan/China or anti India bloc, that is why after departure of Sir Mahatir, we did not see any statement on Kashmir from Malaysia, even on the anniversary the black day marking abrogation of article 370 on Kashmir, there was a complete silence from Malaysia,
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/...-transformed-since-mahathirs-departure-318925

2) Iran
Iran is a strategic partner of India and unlike what we are being fed recently that Iran has put India out of Chabahar port, which was fake news generated by some media outlet and has been denied by Iranian officials
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ct-citing-funding-delays-200715063259623.html
(It is an updated article after Iranian official denial),
https://en.irna.ir/news/83864796/Iran-India-discuss-railways-cooperation
While their official news agency reports that India and Iran is discussing the Railway Cooperation,
https://en.irna.ir/news/83856537/186-containers-carrying-Afghan-goods-reach-Chabahar-port
And while we are living in fake world, Iran has already started this port to transit goods between Afghanistan and India,
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...nctions-rare-cooperation-200620161933575.html
As nothing stops India from investing in Chabahar because it is exempted from US sanction list.
And then there is a big list of terrorists operating against Pakistan being supported by Iran and hiding in Iran, eg: Kulboshan Yadav and Uzair Baloch, so considering these thing and still putting Iran in a strategic bloc will not going to benefit us but eventually it will hurt our interests.

3) Qatar
Qatar has always been neutral and will remain neutral, as no statement on Kashmir has been seen from it,
Qatar has the largest presence of US military in entire region and serve as the Central Command forward HQ for its forces
https://www.centcom.mil/AREA-OF-RESPONSIBILITY/Qatar/
so its strategic ties with US will stop Qatar from joining any Chinese bloc,

4) Turkey
Last but not the least Turkey, India has just finalized 2.3 billion dollar of worth deal with Turkey, to build naval ships, which eventually will be used against us in the future and Indian navy after announcement of CPEC has become the most important wing of the arm forces to undermine Chinese presence in south China sea and eventually sabotaging CPEC,
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...build-fleet-support-ships/article31893924.ece
so while Turkey is supporting our stance on Kashmir, it is also serving its financial interests by signing a strategic defense deal with India, Turkey is also a part of US lead NATO, responsible for the mess of Terrorism we faced from Afghanistan, which not only targeted our interest by fighting against IEA aka Afghan Taliban but also harbored and made Afghanistan a safe heaven for Terrorists attacking Pakistan, so being a part of NATO will eventually stop Turkey from becoming part of any Chinese bloc, and its current tensions with Russia over Syria makes NATO and US more needed for Turkey then ever before, Turkey is in deep rift with its NATO allies France and Greece also, on Libya and oil exploration in east Mediterranean sea respectively, which is a cause of concern for NATO, as NATO is already under huge pressure to deal with Turkey, so a move to join a Chinese bloc will be the last nail in the coffin for Turkey and not only Turkey will loose EU but will eventually loose US and NATO as well, and China alone cannot provide the support and the assistance these unions and alliances give Turkey strategically, so not only Turkey is in no position of joining any Chinese bloc but it is against Turkish interest as well,
https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-turkey/

Hence to sum it up, a muslim bloc comprising of above mentioned countries is not only impossible but eventually will make things tougher for everyone and surely can not serve our interests, so loosing and sacrificing time tested allies for a new and unrealistic bloc will be a diplomatic suicide for Pakistan,
Lastly an advice to my fellow countrymen that please do not buy every rhetoric thrown at you, do some research and then make an opinion.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Very sensible post. Hope the fanboys read it, for once, instead of going into their usual Ready-Fire-Aim routine.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkiye is fighting Iran in Syria ..... Turkiye is not in any block with Iran


and in Islamic World only Turkiye support Pakistan against India


Turkiye clash with The US/Israel over muslim Palestine
Turkiye clash with China over muslim Uygurs
Turkiye clash with India over muslim Pakistan ( KASHMİR )
Turkiye clash with Russia over muslim Azerbaijan , Syria and Libya


therefore since 2013 Turkish Economy under attack .. and 1 USD has risen to 7,3 TL from 1,8 TL
Turkish Economy lost over $500 billion since 2013
still since 2012 Turkiye spent over $60 billion for humanitarian aid to muslim Countries

Turkiye would modernize whole Armed Forces for $60 billion
but Turkiye helps other muslim Countries

 

[L0ne Warri0r]

Turkiye is fighting Iran in Syria ..... Turkiye is not in any block with Iran


and in Islamic World only Turkiye support Pakistan against India


Turkiye clash with The US/Israel over muslim Palestine
Turkiye clash with China over muslim Uygurs
Turkiye clash with India over muslim Pakistan ( KASHMİR )
Turkiye clash with Russia over muslim Azerbaijan , Syria and Libya

It proves my point, that Turkey can not be a part of any bloc which have China or Russia for that matter.

 

[Figaro]

Dude you posted this in 4 different threads ...

 

[- Singh Saab -]

Bhai 2 minute me 4 new blocs bn gye

 

[L0ne Warri0r]

Dude you posted this in 4 different threads ...

Sorry new here is this not the way things work here?

 

[khansaheeb]

The only "defensio mercatura caterva" we need is TRIPC -Turkey, Russia, Iran , Pakistan and China. the whole world order would change with the orient economic express changing the old silk road to the new golden road aka the new world trade route/world economic corridor. If it is extended to other countries such as Bangladesh, Myanmar Malaysia, Indonesia then I hope they join too. Let every African country join too so that they can have new Timbuktus.

 

[Figaro]

Sorry new here is this not they way things work here?

Just post in the one forum you think is most relevant to the thread.