New Muslim Block Predicted By Dr Israr Ahmed 25 Years Ago - Koi Arab Mulk Is Mein Nahi Ho

[GHALIB]

Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh??? Where did you learn?

he forgot nepal srilanka maldiv brunei

 

[GHALIB]

Apparently Pakistan needed Saudi approval to attent Malaysia summit otherwise MBS was going to send all Pakistani workers back to Pakistan.

so much dependence of saudi arabia will keep pakistan in saudi bloc

 

[kursed]

Pakistan's Achilles heel is its economy, the day it gets its economic house in order, it will not need to go from pillar to post, seeking alliances - it will find alliances built around herself. That mere fact is something that keeps escaping our corridors of power and general populace.

KSA/UAE are driven by their sheer economic interests, Pakistan truly needs to start looking after itself, fix itself and act like a proper nuclear armed country, with soft power and a strong economy to boot. It will not happen overnight, it will not happen without an educated populace, it will not happen if we continue to give way to rent-seekers, it will not happen if tax-evaders and traders continue seeking help of the establishment - cos at the end of the day, it's the economy that will decide how Pakistan faces off its foes. It's true for China, for Turkey and for us. There are no short-cuts to this struggle, the example of China and Turkey tells us that.

We can discuss a 1000 different ways, ultimately it's the size of its own purse that will decide which way Pakistan will end up.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistan's Achilles heel is its economy, the day it gets its economic house in order, it will not need to go from pillar to post, seeking alliances - it will find alliances built around herself. That mere fact is something that keeps escaping our corridors of power and general populace.

KSA/UAE are driven by their sheer economic interests, Pakistan truly needs to start looking after itself, fix itself and act like a proper nuclear armed country, with soft power and a strong economy to boot. It will not happen overnight, it will not happen without an educated populace, it will not happen if we continue to give way to rent-seekers, it will not happen if tax-evaders and traders continue seeking help of the establishment - cos at the end of the day, it's the economy that will decide how Pakistan faces off its foes. It's true for China, for Turkey and for us. There are no short-cuts to this struggle, the example of China and Turkey tells us that.

We can discuss a 1000 different ways, ultimately it's the size of its own purse that will decide which way Pakistan will end up.

Exactly, alhamdulilah Pakistan is headed in the correct direction, while we see India sinking into divisions and anarchy.

Future is bright, but we have to work for it and iron out our society.

Turkey, Malaysia, and China are good examples for Pakistan to emulate to fix our economic challenges and policies.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Reminder to all Pakistani brothers, do not reply to Indian trolls.

 

[Indos]

Dear @Indos

I have been observing many of Your posts regarding Kashmir or Pakistan in general for a while, and unfortunately it would seem that You are unsympathetic to the suffering of the Kashmiris, the fact that You hold a senior position in this forum and that it's an Pakistani origin [forum] as well, one would think You would at least be wary of the sensitivity of our core principles and resolve. THIS IS GENOCIDE, there's no 'if's or 'buts' as @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan pointed out, be it Kashmiris or Palestinians they cannot be used as collateral for corrupt sheikhs to barter. OIC is a liability and should be thrown in trash can for where it belongs. The fact that it took our FM one year to issue a statement against this trojan horse itself, should be enough to uncover the level of fraustration he and his department must have endured to, yet they couldn't even condemn the butchers of my people. And what aggregates this pain is that Pakistan is one of the only few muslim nations that morally adhered to muslims causes across the globe, in whatever shape or form its strained resources allowed it to, yet when push came to shove, they either decided embrace the devil himself or shamelessly look away. I cannot fathom that there still people out there who would give legitimacy to this dead horse [OIC], when Kashmir and Palestine, which have been on the forefront in muslims agenda which warranted this very organisations foundation. Today OIC have sold them both out, what legs do they dare say to stand on now?

If there is Genocide, there will be strong respond from Muslim countries. Actually I doubt there is genocide happening there. And it is why I said there should be fact finding team from OIC to investigate what happen in Kashmir. Look, my cousin has visited Kashmir in middle of 2019, I know what was going on there.

Currently Kashmir is under lock down and Indian has shut down the internet. Not a good thing. I believe this current condition should be able to make OIC do foreign minister meeting. This is why I asked what is the mechanism in OIC to create such meeting. Pakistan should lobby all important Muslim countries, not just Saudi to make the meeting happen.

 

[Lincoln]

Bro, he is even way more accurate than Nostradamus. I'm freaking out watching his video from 1995. Everything he said has come true so far. In all seriousness, there is a devine/paranormal force at work with him.

If you do more research, you will find even non-Muslim predictions that have 'seemingly' come true, except that their endings are different. There are countless. Do you think we're the only ones making predictions, or do you think the others have nothing to show for? The Jews, the Christians, they have their fair share of this fallacy. They think the same when they listen to their predictions. So what's different?
All vague words look like predictions. Predictions like these dating many, many centuries old were used by states and empires to twist people in favor of them and make them believe they're all on some holy war.

No one knows what fate has for Pakistan, or for any matter in the future. We should not believe in such vague 'predictions.' They only make us lazy and feel settled.
The only thing we can trust, and know for sure, are authentic Hadith... and even these, we don't know what period of time they refer to. Some people and scholars say that Hadith about the conquest of Hindistan, "Constantinople," and the rising army from Khorasan has already happened in history, some say it hasn't. How do we prove it otherwise for either?

Secondly, on his political knowledge; I respect the person but listening to his lecture on the history of the Ottoman Empire, I think it was lacking context and insufficient.

 

[Lincoln]

What is this why my thread has been merged? And what does that mean? And regarding ilm ul gaib no one besides ALLAH have Ilm ul gaib, ALLAH clearly mentioned it in His Glorious Quran, in various places i am just mentioning few references here,
Surah Luqman A: 34
Surah Ana'am A: 50
and Ummul Momineen Sayeda Ayesha Cleared this that even Prophet peace be upon him did not have Ilm ul gaib and if a person claims this then he is a liar.
Sahi Bukhari Kitabut Tafseer H:4855
So saying Dr shb had it is a blunt lie.

Rightly said. Only God knows about it.
I used to think that these things have some merit, but then when you delve deep you will encounter that other groups have their fair share of these things and things which will make you believe their predictions also came true and are on track.

It's just reassuring for people to hear this, but it's better if they realize that these words hold no importance.

 

[Lincoln]

Respect for him. May he have a higher place in Jannah. An outspoken person and has the knowledge about whatever happening in the world and especially the region. Strategical studies and all, he had spoken about and had a good grip. I remember his one program that he shared a story when he met Musharraf before post 9/11 and US demand. He told him that we have no option as he can understand the position of Musharraf but also, Pakistan must be careful given the facts that we are the original target... and.... look at how we have been dealing with menace of terrorism being fueled by our enemies inside Pakistan.

Members are advised to not get involved in religious debate or discussing the one's belief/school of thought or sect etc. The discussion must continue to explore the strategical value and our directions and so the options given the information being shared by Dr. Israr Ahmed Sahib.

The entire lecture is based on religious thoughts. What weight doe the "strategic" value hold when its entire ground, based on 'Ilm-ul-Ghaib' from a person, is shaky.
You can't ask members to not get involved in religious debate when that's the basis.

 

[The Eagle]

The entire lecture is based on religious thoughts. What weight doe the "strategic" value hold when its entire ground, based on 'Ilm-ul-Ghaib' from a person, is shaky.
You can't ask members to not get involved in religious debate when that's the basis.

Speaking as such, one can still see it what does he meant to say during his lectures. Indeed, religion is all that drove Israelis to this day and still searching for Greater Israel, the Messiah and then Bush Jr. slip of tongue that calls for Crusade during speech. We maintain Forum decorum to not to involve Religion discussion heavily that there is lack of intellect that very few can comprehend. I am sure you can do best without observing the ongoing discussion through a tunnel vision or limiting yourself to religion only. His research services are commendable and whatever he observed and said per Religion, is proven at most that also verifies as what Hadith & Quran said hundreds of years ago, is proven one by one. Since, Quran & Hadith is a strong reference for Muslims, the non-Muslims still can debate what Dr. Israr (R.A) said about developments & change in the region and the world. You can ignore religious references if you want to and pay attention as what he described about the movements & strategic shifts for times which purely his own work by analysis & observations that he said openly.

 

[jamahir]

He here explained why socialism failed in Pakistan

Firstly, on a general level he seemed educated but I think he was being pessimist and didn't want to experiment by contributing to Pakistani socialism.

Sorry but some of his words reminded me of Indian Hindutva / right-wing members on this forum who believe that socialism is unnatural. I have asked them if what is natural is promoting / tolerating social and economic injustice, apathy, cruelty and criminality.

No, socialism is what is natural. Living in harmony with each other and with the surrounding ecology. Anything that goes contrary must be discouraged.

And contrary to Israr Ahmed's words why can't workers in a certain profession form guilds to learn from each other and hold conferences to speak of developments in that field ? One example is the Microsoft Windows programmers conferences.

 

[alibaz]

Agree. It is time to dump the Arabs.

We have China, Turkey, Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh on our side.

Indian Muslims & Sikhs are also supporting us.

We should not be thinking about dumping someone, our relation may not be that warm as those used to be and country must move forward while keeping own national interest. Having more friends is good but losing someone by dumping is no good. Indian Muslims and Sikhs may have issues/ concerns and demands with Indian Government but by no means we should consider that they support Pakistan. Let the things unfold and true positions will be revealed.

 

[Longhorn]

I think we need to wait until MBS take the crown. I can say MBS is too young to become a King, international community I guess also feel the same, so I would say Saudi influence will be much degraded because of that.

I predict he will become King in 2025, so if there is any action meant to challenge Saudi leadership, it can be more effective if it is done once MBS become King. Many people still respect current King because he is already quite senior.

But I dont recommend to make another OIC, I just think there can be a meeting group of influential Muslim countries that can later take OIC leadership as a group.

What do you base your 2025 prediction on?
The current king is gravely ill and there have already been rumours of his death.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The entire lecture is based on religious thoughts. What weight doe the "strategic" value hold when its entire ground, based on 'Ilm-ul-Ghaib' from a person, is shaky.
You can't ask members to not get involved in religious debate when that's the basis.

Judge his statements on what he has stated. If you don't like his references to Islamic sources, simply ignore and discuss his main points.

What he is saying that Pakistan will be the center of a Non-Arab Muslim alliance, and it is happening as we speak.

Firstly, on a general level he seemed educated but I think he was being pessimist and didn't want to experiment by contributing to Pakistani socialism.

Sorry but some of his words reminded me of Indian Hindutva / right-wing members on this forum who believe that socialism is unnatural. I have asked them if what is natural is promoting / tolerating social and economic injustice, apathy, cruelty and criminality.

No, socialism is what is natural. Living in harmony with each other and with the surrounding ecology. Anything that goes contrary must be discouraged.

And contrary to Israr Ahmed's words why can't workers in a certain profession form guilds to learn from each other and hold conferences to speak of developments in that field ? One example is the Microsoft Windows programmers conferences.

I am simply shocked by your comment. First you claimed he was an extremist (on the words of a Hindutva mouthpiece,) now you compare him to RSS.

@jamahir simply shocking comments by you.

I wish you would just discuss what his views were about socialism and its inability to prove a stable system for humanity. The drive to acquire personal property and build one's wealth is a natural human one, one which promotes productivity. Cutting it out will result in the mess which was the USSR, where a previously food exporting country became a food importing country.

I won't ask you about such topics in the future.

 

[PakFactor]

Speaking as such, one can still see it what does he meant to say during his lectures. Indeed, religion is all that drove Israelis to this day and still searching for Greater Israel, the Messiah and then Bush Jr. slip of tongue that calls for Crusade during speech. We maintain Forum decorum to not to involve Religion discussion heavily that there is lack of intellect that very few can comprehend. I am sure you can do best without observing the ongoing discussion through a tunnel vision or limiting yourself to religion only. His research services are commendable and whatever he observed and said per Religion, is proven at most that also verifies as what Hadith & Quran said hundreds of years ago, is proven one by one. Since, Quran & Hadith is a strong reference for Muslims, the non-Muslims still can debate what Dr. Israr (R.A) said about developments & change in the region and the world. You can ignore religious references if you want to and pay attention as what he described about the movements & strategic shifts for times which purely his own work by analysis & observations that he said openly.

You have put it the best way possible in words. Dr Israr was more of a geo strategic thinker he took worldly knowledge and utilized it well and even without his use of religious doctrine his natural thinking still excelled; those who don’t want to use religious references he spoke in a way that a non religious would be able to comprehend without it.

Lets be real as well. Even in modern days wars have an element of religion. Look no further than WWI what ever the reason it was fought over didn’t a French general put his foot on Saladin grave and say that the crusades now end?