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New Muslim Block Predicted By Dr Israr Ahmed 25 Years Ago - Koi Arab Mulk Is Mein Nahi Ho

Indians shouldn't give themselves so much credit, these states follow American policy. Ofcourse Satanist policy of Israel and friends will always be opposed to Muslims.
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Pakistan's Achilles heel is its economy, the day it gets its economic house in order, it will not need to go from pillar to post, seeking alliances - it will find alliances built around herself. That mere fact is something that keeps escaping our corridors of power and general populace.

KSA/UAE are driven by their sheer economic interests, Pakistan truly needs to start looking after itself, fix itself and act like a proper nuclear armed country, with soft power and a strong economy to boot. It will not happen overnight, it will not happen without an educated populace, it will not happen if we continue to give way to rent-seekers, it will not happen if tax-evaders and traders continue seeking help of the establishment - cos at the end of the day, it's the economy that will decide how Pakistan faces off its foes. It's true for China, for Turkey and for us. There are no short-cuts to this struggle, the example of China and Turkey tells us that.

We can discuss a 1000 different ways, ultimately it's the size of its own purse that will decide which way Pakistan will end up.
You are right. Only thing is, if economy, individual interests, selfishness etc are the deciding factors, what happened to the divine concept of brothers sans borders? I dont think one can have the cake & eat it too. What you think?
 
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You have put it the best way possible in words. Dr Israr was more of a geo strategic thinker he took worldly knowledge and utilized it well and even without his use of religious doctrine his natural thinking still excelled; those who don’t want to use religious references he spoke in a way that a non religious would be able to comprehend without it.

Lets be real as well. Even in modern days wars have an element of religion. Look no further than WWI what ever the reason it was fought over didn’t a French general put his foot on Saladin grave and say that the crusades now end?


Dr. Israr did his PhD is Western Philosophy, following the footsteps of Allama Iqbal, in addition to his own background as a medical doctor as one of the biggest supporters of the Pakistan movement after 1947, particularly of Maulana Shabbir Usmani, who was also a student of Maulana Maududi.
 
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Muslim bloc---- what a joke. only Pakistanis dream of a "muslim" bloc. There is no such thing and is only a part of the Pakistani imagination.

Our best ally has always been atheist China, our historical ally was secular christian US. No muslim country could come close to the friendship and benefits we got from our relationship with these nations.

Im all for Pakistan having stronger relations with like minded muslim nations such as Turkey, Indonesia , and Malaysia but to think that it will be some bloc is living in fools paradise.
 
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Im all for Pakistan having stronger relations with like minded muslim nations such as Turkey, Indonesia , and Malaysia but to think that it will be some bloc is living in fools paradise.


Those countries are enough for a start, even if it is only Pakistan, Turkey, Azerbaycan.
 
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Those countries are enough for a start, even if it is only Pakistan, Turkey, Azerbaycan.

We need to start giving importance to Indonesia. It is the largest economy in the muslim world and is projected to be in the top ten pretty soon.

Indonesian people also are more pro-pakistan than indian
 
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We need to start giving importance to Indonesia. It is the largest economy in the muslim world and is projected to be in the top ten pretty soon.

Indonesian people also are more pro-pakistan than indian


This is true. In 1965, Indonesia offered to take Andaman and Nicobar islands from India to help our war effort. Indonesia has been consistently pro-Pakistan throughout its history. Now their are scandals and fractures in Jokowi's government, eventually a conservative government will come in power which will push Pakistani relations further.
 
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OIC should create fact finding team on Kashmir, particularly during the continuous lock down on the region by India. The unnecessary lock down should be lifted since other Indian region have reopen their economy.
The issue is not that simple. The main issue is that people are just hanged waiting by our own Muslim world. The people does not want to be part of occupier regime of India. UN had promised them vote of self determination, which never happened.
 
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The issue is not that simple. The main issue is that people are just hanged waiting by our own Muslim world. The people does not want to be part of occupier regime of India. UN had promised them vote of self determination, which never happened.

I know they dont want to be part of India. My cousin who has visited that region have said thing like that to me. But I think we should not intervene unless Indian make Kashmir people live difficult, steal their land, and other atrocities. It is because India is a military strong country and also has nuclear weapon. The problem is similar like in Xin Jiang where the region is taken by China. Making war to China to take Xin Jiang is suicide.

I prefer other measure to solve this problem which is economic embargo.

Muslim countries can embargo India if they make atrocities to Kashmiris, and this action will make India powerless since they need oil, gas, and coal to power their economy. Their economy will be paralized if the embargo takes about more than 2 years, and it will lead to regime change there.
 
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I know they dont want to be part of India. My cousin who has visited that region have said thing like that to me. But I think we should not intervene unless Indian make Kashmir people live difficult, steal their land, and other atrocities. It is because India is a military strong country and also has nuclear weapon. The problem is similar like in Xin Jiang where the region is taken by China. Making war to China to take Xin Jiang is suicide.

I prefer other measure to solve this problem which is economic embargo.

Muslim countries can embargo India if they make atrocities to Kashmiris, and this action will make India powerless since they need oil, gas, and coal to power their economy. Their economy will be paralized if the embargo takes about more than 2 years, and it will lead to regime change there.

Forget 2 years the indian economy would be crippled in a matter of weeks if all muslim countries embargoed it.

Indonesia is a sleeping giant, but the people need to wake up. Indonesia should be far stronger militarily than it currently is. Pakistan has a lot of weapons it can offer. I know indonesia has many ventures with South Korea which pakistan can join as well.

Let alone our trade potential which is huge. Pakistan can export far more to Indonesia than it can to GCC, Iran, or turkey combined due to Indonesias immense population and cultural similarities.

Indonesia is pretty much a muslim majority India that Pakistan has friendly but dormant relations
 
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Forget 2 years the indian economy would be crippled in a matter of weeks if all muslim countries embargoed it.

Indonesia is a sleeping giant, but the people need to wake up. Indonesia should be far stronger militarily than it currently is. Pakistan has a lot of weapons it can offer. I know indonesia has many ventures with South Korea which pakistan can join as well.

Let alone our trade potential which is huge. Pakistan can export far more to Indonesia than it can to GCC, Iran, or turkey combined due to Indonesias immense population and cultural similarities.

Indonesia is pretty much a muslim majority India that Pakistan has friendly but dormant relations

I believe spending 9 billion USD for our armed force which is around 0.8 percent of our GDP is already quite high for Indonesia case. As you know Indonesia doesnt have big threat in her region since our country is considered as the big guy that has more possibility to bully than being bullied. This is one of the reason Singapore and Australia spend quite big for their defense budget. Next year we are going to spend 10 billion USD for defense if the budget plan can pass the parliament.

The only country that we could worry is China, but considering our dispute with China in SCS doesnt cover large areas and so far there is no oil and gas ever been found there, so Indonesian strategic planner see Indonesia is still relatively safe for the next 15 years, the analysis that I also agree.

The main target of Indonesia, currently, is more on economic development. Even previous and current government spend so little on R&D due to the focus on infrastructure and other post. Personally I would prefer Indonesian next leadership to pay more attention on R&D and keep defense spending at 10-12 billion dollar until 2030.

Indonesia actually is quite active in ASEAN region and also has foreign policy that has Islamic tendency like its work and advocacy toward Palestinian, Myanmar, and Afghan issues. Indonesia also doesnt have any afraid to call Chinese and Indian ambassadors for cases related to how they treat their Muslim. Latest action is to question China foreign minister about Uigyur issue in December last year. This action IMO makes China a bit angry which then resulted in China Coast Guard encroaching our EEZ in January, although Indonesia doesnt back down and respond back by saying its publicly support UN tribunal ruling that back Philippine claim over China nine dash line.

Indonesia also pressured Australia when Australia decided to put their embassy in Jerusalem. Pretty much other nation within ASEAN will be hesitant to do the same thing like Australia does because IMO of Indonesia influence on the region. This is why Singapore doesnt do that despite that nation has close relation with both USA and Israel.

Regarding Kashmir issue, I believe Indonesia will support Pakistan idea to have foreign ministers level meeting in OIC. Current situation in Kashmir IMO will give more reason for many Muslim leaders to act harder on India.

People can say us as sleeping giant, prominent Muslim country, it may be true, but I would say that since Indonesia geographically is located far away from Middle East, where most Muslim problems happen, it will have less leverage to do something substantial in that region, let say to mediate factions in Yemen or Libya, although for Afganistan case, Indonesia involvement on peace process is appreciated by both Afghan government and Taliban leadership. Taliban leader for instant has come to Indonesia from Qatar to work on Indonesian peace deal initiative. Previously, under Soeharto, Indonesia play major role for peace process between Muslim Moro and Philippine government.

Talking about Indonesia policy on Muslim world in the next 10 years, I can say Indonesia will keep playing low profile foreign policy and dont have any ambition to challenge current political infrastructure in the Muslim world which is OIC. So far Indonesia doesnt have any resentment toward OIC like Pakistan does and my country seems to be quite satisfied with that organization.

We could some how have leader that has ambitious agenda on international politics like Soekarno, but from what I see on current potential leaders that could win 2024 Presidential election, there is no one that has the same caliber like Soekarno.
 
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I know they dont want to be part of India. My cousin who has visited that region have said thing like that to me. But I think we should not intervene unless Indian make Kashmir people live difficult, steal their land, and other atrocities. It is because India is a military strong country and also has nuclear weapon. The problem is similar like in Xin Jiang where the region is taken by China. Making war to China to take Xin Jiang is suicide.

I prefer other measure to solve this problem which is economic embargo.

Muslim countries can embargo India if they make atrocities to Kashmiris, and this action will make India powerless since they need oil, gas, and coal to power their economy. Their economy will be paralized if the embargo takes about more than 2 years, and it will lead to regime change there.

The difference is the origin of Xinjiang, which was given to Uyghurs by China once Dzungars were cleared from the area. So China has a strong historical argument for the Tarim Basin region. I don't think militant or proxy war is going to help Uyghurs, they will have to settle with China and find their place there.

As far as India, they have no historical, racial, cultural, or civilization right to be in Kashmir. India is occupying sovereign Pakistani land, Kashmir valley has a 95% Muslim majority population, while Muslims were ethnically cleansed from South Kashmir and Jammu by Hindu mobs and Dogra regime. Ladakh used to be Muslim majority as well, but India brought in Tibetan refugees to flood the area and dilute Muslim population.

Whether any other country helps or not, Pakistan is going to fight a war over Kashmir to free the population from occupation. It will be appreciated if Muslim countries support us, if not, then you can explain that to Kashmiris on Qiyamat day.

Indonesia is pretty much a muslim majority India that Pakistan has friendly but dormant relations

No, Indonesia is strong Muslim nation with a proud heritage and culture, and we have never had problems. Jokowi regime is pro-US, and liberal mainly, but Indonesia is fast becoming conservative. Ties with Pakistan will improve very quickly.

I believe spending 9 billion USD for our armed force which is around 0.8 percent of our GDP is already quite high for Indonesia case. As you know Indonesia doesnt have big threat in her region since our country is considered as the big guy that has more possibility to bully than being bullied. This is one of the reason Singapore and Australia spend quite big for their defense budget. Next year we are going to spend 10 billion USD for defense if the budget plan can pass the parliament.

The only country that we could worry is China, but considering our dispute with China in SCS doesnt cover large areas and so far there is no oil and gas ever been found there, so Indonesian strategic planner see Indonesia is still relatively safe for the next 15 years, the analysis that I also agree.

The main target of Indonesia, currently, is more on economic development. Even previous and current government spend so little on R&D due to the focus on infrastructure and other post. Personally I would prefer Indonesian next leadership to pay more attention on R&D and keep defense spending at 10-12 billion dollar until 2030.

Indonesia actually is quite active in ASEAN region and also has foreign policy that has Islamic tendency like its work and advocacy toward Palestinian, Myanmar, and Afghan issues. Indonesia also doesnt have any afraid to call Chinese and Indian ambassadors for cases related to how they treat their Muslim. Latest action is to question China foreign minister about Uigyur issue in December last year. This action IMO makes China a bit angry which then resulted in China Coast Guard encroaching our EEZ in January, although Indonesia doesnt back down and respond back by saying its publicly support UN tribunal ruling that back Philippine claim over China nine dash line.

Indonesia also pressured Australia when Australia decided to put their embassy in Jerusalem. Pretty much other nation within ASEAN will be hesitant to do the same thing like Australia does because IMO of Indonesia influence on the region. This is why Singapore doesnt do that despite that nation has close relation with both USA and Israel.

Regarding Kashmir issue, I believe Indonesia will support Pakistan idea to have foreign ministers level meeting in OIC. Current situation in Kashmir IMO will give more reason for many Muslim leaders to act harder on India.

People can say us as sleeping giant, prominent Muslim country, it may be true, but I would say that since Indonesia geographically is located far away from Middle East, where most Muslim problems happen, it will have less leverage to do something substantial in that region, let say to mediate factions in Yemen or Libya, although for Afganistan case, Indonesia involvement on peace process is appreciated by both Afghan government and Taliban leadership. Taliban leader for instant has come to Indonesia from Qatar to work on Indonesian peace deal initiative. Previously, under Soeharto, Indonesia play major role for peace process between Muslim Moro and Philippine government.

Talking about Indonesia policy on Muslim world in the next 10 years, I can say Indonesia will keep playing low profile foreign policy and dont have any ambition to challenge current political infrastructure in the Muslim world which is OIC. So far Indonesia doesnt have any resentment toward OIC like Pakistan does and my country seems to be quite satisfied with that organization.

We could some how have leader that has ambitious agenda on international politics like Soekarno, but from what I see on current potential leaders that could win 2024 Presidential election, there is no one that has the same caliber like Soekarno.


Indonesia is basically a friendly nation which Pakistan can always count on in times of need. In a war with India, Indonesia could very well apply pressure on India from Southeast and force Indian Navy to go into defensive mode.

With time, Indonesia will become even more conservative and Islamic with the next government, in sha Allah, we will see stronger line from them to support Pakistan and Kashmir.
 
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I believe spending 9 billion USD for our armed force which is around 0.8 percent of our GDP is already quite high for Indonesia case. As you know Indonesia doesnt have big threat in her region since our country is considered as the big guy that has more possibility to bully than being bullied. This is one of the reason Singapore and Australia spend quite big for their defense budget. Next year we are going to spend 10 billion USD for defense if the budget plan can pass the parliament.

The only country that we could worry is China, but considering our dispute with China in SCS doesnt cover large areas and so far there is no oil and gas ever been found there, so Indonesian strategic planner see Indonesia is still relatively safe for the next 15 years, the analysis that I also agree.

The main target of Indonesia, currently, is more on economic development. Even previous and current government spend so little on R&D due to the focus on infrastructure and other post. Personally I would prefer Indonesian next leadership to pay more attention on R&D and keep defense spending at 10-12 billion dollar until 2030.

Indonesia actually is quite active in ASEAN region and also has foreign policy that has Islamic tendency like its work and advocacy toward Palestinian, Myanmar, and Afghan issues. Indonesia also doesnt have any afraid to call Chinese and Indian ambassadors for cases related to how they treat their Muslim. Latest action is to question China foreign minister about Uigyur issue in December last year. This action IMO makes China a bit angry which then resulted in China Coast Guard encroaching our EEZ in January, although Indonesia doesnt back down and respond back by saying its publicly support UN tribunal ruling that back Philippine claim over China nine dash line.

Indonesia also pressured Australia when Australia decided to put their embassy in Jerusalem. Pretty much other nation within ASEAN will be hesitant to do the same thing like Australia does because IMO of Indonesia influence on the region. This is why Singapore doesnt do that despite that nation has close relation with both USA and Israel.

Regarding Kashmir issue, I believe Indonesia will support Pakistan idea to have foreign ministers level meeting in OIC. Current situation in Kashmir IMO will give more reason for many Muslim leaders to act harder on India.

People can say us as sleeping giant, prominent Muslim country, it may be true, but I would say that since Indonesia geographically is located far away from Middle East, where most Muslim problems happen, it will have less leverage to do something substantial in that region, let say to mediate factions in Yemen or Libya, although for Afganistan case, Indonesia involvement on peace process is appreciated by both Afghan government and Taliban leadership. Taliban leader for instant has come to Indonesia from Qatar to work on Indonesian peace deal initiative. Previously, under Soeharto, Indonesia play major role for peace process between Muslim Moro and Philippine government.

Talking about Indonesia policy on Muslim world in the next 10 years, I can say Indonesia will keep playing low profile foreign policy and dont have any ambition to challenge current political infrastructure in the Muslim world which is OIC. So far Indonesia doesnt have any resentment toward OIC like Pakistan does and my country seems to be quite satisfied with that organization.

We could some how have leader that has ambitious agenda on international politics like Soekarno, but from what I see on current potential leaders that could win 2024 Presidential election, there is no one that has the same caliber like Soekarno.

Indonesia from east to west stretches 3000+ mile which is more than any nation in the world. There are remote population centers far from Jakarta which could be out of reach. 10 bn for an economy the size of indonesia is nothing. Indonesia should be spending atleast 30 bn a year on its military. I agree there is only so much Indonesia can do, but with military-geopolitical influence indonesia should be punching above its weights equal to nations like Russia whose economy it has a similar size of.

Indonesia is in a tough neighborhood itself with Austria in the south, china/singapore north, India not to far away. and all in the middle of major trading routes.

Maybe some day Indonesia gets a conservative govt that prioritizes national defence.
 
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Indonesia from east to west stretches 3000+ mile which is more than any nation in the world. There are remote population centers far from Jakarta which could be out of reach. 10 bn for an economy the size of indonesia is nothing. Indonesia should be spending atleast 30 bn a year on its military. I agree there is only so much Indonesia can do, but with military-geopolitical influence indonesia should be punching above its weights equal to nations like Russia whose economy it has a similar size of.

Indonesia is in a tough neighborhood itself with Austria in the south, china/singapore north, India not to far away. and all in the middle of major trading routes.

Maybe some day Indonesia gets a conservative govt that prioritizes national defence.

Their should have been a very strong focus on Navy and Air Force giving the nation ability to punch above its weight.
 
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There's a bazar in Lahore named after President Sukarno @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Thanks for informing me of this, I did not know. One of my dear friends is from your new capital @Indos and I have friends from Jakarta as well.

I even speak little bit Bahasa Indonesia, great language. Sejahtera.

SOEKARNO BAZAR, MUGHALPURA , LAHORE
ALL TYPE OF SHOP HERE
NAMED AFTER FIRST PRESIDENT OF INDONESIA IR SOEKARNO (1901-1970)

Another in Pakhawar.

Soekarno Square, Qissa Khawani Bazaar, Peshawar.

Seems like a medical plaza there in androoni shehar (old inner city.)
 
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