New J-10B shows comprehensive rather than partial improvements

[DrSomnath999]

Is the pilot in the video has a heart prblem because he was breathing hard.

LOLLZ

the pilot is not having heart problems infact it's the enomorous G's the pilot experiences when the plane turns .

Infact Rafale pilots have indeed achieved 10 G manoeuvre

This was first posted by Kovy in the Key Publishing forum,



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[DrSomnath999]

In a dogfight, a 5 years old kid can gunshot a fully armed special force warrior.

In a BVR fight, who find the enemy first, who will fire first. Whatever a maneuverer you are, you can not be better than a rocket engined missile.

When a (or two?) BVR missile coming, it's too late.

Geez !!

ok here is a source which states about actuall kill rate of BVR missiles & Within VR missiles

Rafale is a not so bad 4th gen aircraft only before the age of AESA. It's small physical size radar disk is handicapped leg, permantently. And there has no way to change it, it is fixed.

Rafale poor radar size make it no chance to get close to J-10B, F-22.

haa haa

Rofl mao

What crap logic is this to explain your POV

It's the technology inside the radar matters more not the size .

BTW the french relying more on passive detection through Spectra/FSO for stealth
reason even if it may be having AESA radar



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[DrSomnath999]

Why no no? A 1970s VS 2000s? Aircraft evolved, and old European had no 5th gen aircraft making experience.

It's ridiculous how u posted such pics which u really dont know of??

Do u know what is the meaning of corner reflector???

it should be atleast 90 degree to reflect radar like these

those pics in rafale what u have posted is not 90 degree those are scalloped {greater than 90} to reduce RCS & for rafale's kidney shaped air intakes .

WTF u posted gaps!! those gaps seen in diverter blade is also found in F22 also but does that make F22 less stealthy than J10b ??
Those areas are RAM coated so no major differences in RCS size for that .



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[dbc]

this video depicts rafale did manage to make a kill against f22 in a dog fight only .How can someone post a video about bvr warfare ,use your commonsense

Bvr warfare has been proven against planes whose pilots barely knew how to do evasive manuveurs,
planes having no proper functioning RWR & electronic warfare suite .

So dont think BVR warfare would only be fought by 5th gen fighters only , with future stealth fighters coming the future aerial warfare would be fought more in WVR warfare than bvr warfare as Kill probabilty would decrease even further at bvr range warfare.

SO dog fight would still live.


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There was no F-22 kills, not in this video nor at ATLC according to both the French and American pilots that participated in the training. If the US acted as irresponsibly as the French and released HUD footage of joint training excercises there will be a hundred videos of the Rafale in the crosshairs of the F teens on YouTube.

Fortunately for the French we honor our commitment to keep the outcome of joint excercises secret.
Many Rafale fans actually believe this video compliments the Rafale, but if they knew anything about air combat they would be embarrassed to post this video online. One such example is when the Rafale tried to follow the Raptor in a vertical climb towards the end. The Rafale was out of energy and falling out of the sky while the F-22 reversed into the Rafale inverted. That was a classic maneuver that the Japenese Zeroes used against slower USN Wildcat fighters resulting in many early US looses in the Pacific theater during World War Two.

 

[j20blackdragon]

This entire debate is a nonissue.

As long as China has AWACS support and the PL-12, even the J-10A will be able to handle the Rafale.

 

[UKBengali]

Rafale has done many ae

There was no F-22 kills, not in this video nor at ATLC according to both the French and American pilots that participated in the training. If the US acted as irresponsibly as the French and released HUD footage of joint training excercises there will be a hundred videos of the Rafale in the crosshairs of the F teens on YouTube.

Fortunately for the French we honor our commitment to keep the outcome of joint excercises secret.
Many Rafale fans actually believe this video compliments the Rafale, but if they knew anything about air combat they would be embarrassed to post this video online. One such example is when the Rafale tried to follow the Raptor in a vertical climb towards the end. The Rafale was out of energy and falling out of the sky while the F-22 reversed into the Rafale inverted. That was a classic maneuver that the Japenese Zeroes used against slower USN Wildcat fighters resulting in many early US looses in the Pacific theater during World War Two.

French engine technology is not as good as the US or UK.

US > UK > France = Russia

 

[DrSomnath999]

There was no F-22 kills, not in this video nor at ATLC according to both the French and American pilots that participated in the training. If the US acted as irresponsibly as the French and released HUD footage of joint training excercises there will be a hundred videos of the Rafale in the crosshairs of the F teens on YouTube.

Fortunately for the French we honor our commitment to keep the outcome of joint excercises secret.
Many Rafale fans actually believe this video compliments the Rafale, but if they knew anything about air combat they would be embarrassed to post this video online. One such example is when the Rafale tried to follow the Raptor in a vertical climb towards the end. The Rafale was out of energy and falling out of the sky while the F-22 reversed into the Rafale inverted. That was a classic maneuver that the Japenese Zeroes used against slower USN Wildcat fighters resulting in many early US looses in the Pacific theater during World War Two.

madam!!
your great knowledge about aerial warfare & your love especially for rafale is well known


And btw, there is nothing embarassing about a Rafale pilot rolling its aircraft at 80 kt to get the F-22 into its sight after recovering energy, it is a classical yoyo maneouver, if you look well, he is into it from the start and recover his energy at will, nothing to do with the Japanese "tactic" which was designed to get the Wildcat stalling and departing while attempting to follow it, i hope the US pilot didn't expect Rafale to depart. LOL!


The Rafale pilots takes full advantage of the aircraft low speed capability to stay INSIDE of their adversaries (in this case the F-22) vertical turn (or horizontal when it is the case), consistantly menacing him by pointing its nose toward it,

The F-22 also runs out of energy at some point, and it dives further down while Rafale start its yoyos below 200 kt to keep its nose toward it, F-22 oscilliation are larger, it cannot follow the Rafale at such low speed and is NEVER in a position to threaten him.

The Rafale pilot does his yo-yos, misses a gun shot by a iota, rolls around 80 kt, recovers some energy just around 150 kt which says a lot about his confidence on the thrust he has to get his kill (he announced his position for the kill previous to get it), does it again and finally scores his kills, this is my opinion and that of many Rafale pilots btw...

BTW the Wildcat was not "Slower" than the Zero (actually FASTER in level flight and in a dive) but much heavier and comparatively underpowered while trying to follow a Zero in a climb; it would stall and depart, the greatest Japanese Ace did use this tactic until he was killed by a Hellcat which he took for Wildcat, which again proves this thing, that your knowledge about aerial warfare is awesome
Have a nice day

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[dbc]

madam!!
your great knowledge about aerial warfare & your love especially for rafale is well known


And btw, there is nothing embarassing about a Rafale pilot rolling its aircraft at 80 kt to get the F-22 into its sight after recovering energy, it is a classical yoyo maneouver, if you look well, he is into it from the start and recover his energy at will, nothing to do with the Japanese "tactic" which was designed to get the Wildcat stalling and departing while attempting to follow it, i hope the US pilot didn't expect Rafale to depart. LOL!


The Rafale pilots takes full advantage of the aircraft low speed capability to stay INSIDE of their adversaries (in this case the F-22) vertical turn (or horizontal when it is the case), consistantly menacing him by pointing its nose toward it,

The F-22 also runs out of energy at some point, and it dives further down while Rafale start its yoyos below 200 kt to keep its nose toward it, F-22 oscilliation are larger, it cannot follow the Rafale at such low speed and is NEVER in a position to threaten him.

The Rafale pilot does his yo-yos, misses a gun shot by a iota, rolls around 80 kt, recovers some energy just around 150 kt which says a lot about his confidence on the thrust he has to get his kill (he announced his position for the kill previous to get it), does it again and finally scores his kills, this is my opinion and that of many Rafale pilots btw...

BTW the Wildcat was not "Slower" than the Zero (actually FASTER in level flight and in a dive) but much heavier and comparatively underpowered while trying to follow a Zero in a climb; it would stall and depart, the greatest Japanese Ace did use this tactic until he was killed by a Hellcat which he took for Wildcat, which again proves this thing, that your knowledge about aerial warfare is awesome
Have a nice day

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Dear Looser aka the DragonFly minion.

You got your rebuttal from your master over at IDF. You see I have friends who warned me of your silly antics as soon as you went to your daddy the retard known as Dare2, DrogonFly etc...

Eurofighter Typhoon v/s Dassault Rafale - Analysis - Page 817

80 knots in any form of air combat means you are dead, out of energy and out of ideas(just like you). There is no kill because the Rafale pilot says "Alex confirm you are restoring" before he gets the F-22 in his gun sights for the first time. The F-22 had disengaged and was 'restoring' to regain altitude.

As for the Zero being "Slower" than the WildCat. Do some research before you parrot that retard and embarrass yourself looser.

With a top speed of 318 mph (512 km/h), the Wildcat was still outperformed by the faster 331 mph (533 km/h), more maneuverable, and longer ranged Mitsubishi A6M Zero.

Grumman F4F Wildcat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for high yo-yo's tell your retard poseur dodo that high yo-yo's are executed to stay inside a slower, turning adversary at or below your own altitude. In this scenario the F-22 is climbing faster than the Rafale so high yo-yo's are completely irrelevant. To really embarrass the Rafale the F-22 pilot execute a TV move to level off inverted in position to drill the hapless Rafale (out of energy at a pathetic 9000 ft)

Situation:You are closing rapidly on a turning target from the side. You want to:
•Avoid overshooting the target and losing your offensive position due to your greater speed.
•Obtain a better position behind the target for improved heat-seeking missile tracking.
Maneuver:•Level your wings and pull up to gain altitude (1).
•Begin turning toward the target, remaining above and behind (2).
•At this point, start an inverted roll and dive at the target (3). You have two options here. You can point your nose slightly ahead of the target and make a diving guns pass, or come around behind the target for a heat-seeking missile shot directly at the target's tailpipe (4).
•If the target reverses its turn at position 5, you should get a clean shot at its tail. If you fail to destroy the opponent, or miss, another High Yo-Yo or a Low Yo-Yo will return you to an attacking position.
While the other aircraft is breaking hard, pull up; then pull down to get behind him.
High Yo-Yo - Jet Fighter School by Richard G. Sheffield

 

[longlong]

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It's somewhat true mock dog fights are nothing representive of modern day combat but it 'a real way to determine the effectiveness of plane's manuveurabilty / pilot skills in a comparative mode against other fighters it's one of the way of evaluation also.

Paf- f16s what they did to that Raf typhoon same thing was done By Greek F16 to french rafale;s & the reason was the same - "Inexperienced Pilots from both the losing side " but the both the planes technologically & manuveurabilty purpose were superior to F16 .

But in the F22 vs rafale scenario the situation was not the same like those i mentioned above .Both
the F22 pilots &rafale pilots were experienced pilots . F22 is boast to have TVC's & higher T/W ratio.
but still rafale did manage to make a kill ,.

& before preaching lecture to me about this
"And please look in a mirror when accusing someone of daydreaming."
i want to tell u 1 thing i have seen myself in the mirror thoroughly & infact it's my duty now to show you the mirror that ur indeed day dreaming about J10b comparable to Rafale !!



HOW??


ans - When you want to compare a fighters's effectiveness against other fighters there are various ways to prove a plane's superiority in a comparitve analysis??

I) Aerial war games

II) Comparitive evaluation report in trials of other countries which the planes is about to be sold



I) Aerial war games -

Rafale has done many aerial war games with various fighters available now .It has impresseved everyone with it's remarkable manuveurabilty & agility
here we go
1)RAFALE THRASHING TYPHOON 9-1 in Solenzara, 2009.




2)Rafale's War Game with F-22 (2009)



3)RAFALE'S SUPERB PERFORMANCE IN AERIAL EXERCISE WITH MIRAGE 2000 & f16:

http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fi...resse/lbg07/defense/rafale/foxThree_nr_10.pdf



II) Comparitive evaluation report in trials of other countries which the planes is about to be sold

Rafale has been fielded against various fighters in the evaluation trials for various countries plane's requirement. One can see those leaked evaluation reports clearly what it states

a)switzerland leaked evaluation report
2008 analysis

2009 analysis

http://kovy.free.fr/temp/rafale/pdf/12332.pdf
Rafale News: Switzerland, Evaluation report quick analysis

b)DUTCH EVALUATION REPORT IN 2001

Avion de chasse: les Pays-Bas ont-ils favorisé le F-35 ? - bruxelles2 Europe de la Défense
Dedefensa.org : To The Point, Context n°50 (March-April 2002) - The Road to Chaos and The Dutch Way

SO one can see clearly how rafale performed in evaluation trials when pitted against other fighters



Due to lack of military transparency /technical details from china regarding those fighters one cant specifically use it for any comparitive analysis against other fighters .
Many here are very skeptical & over estimating many things just by seeing the pics only posted here in the chinese forum .Which is highly illogical .

Meanwhile SU -35 even if it is new platform does have it's sources well documented in the net & is equally capable to french rafale in many department & even superior in some grounds also.





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Don't want to be rude, but I have to say, the age of aircraft like Rafale is going to be over....This is the nature, everything got the end.

Like what did I say, Rafale is not so bad only before AESA. None of your listed evaluation (up to 2009) would encountered that ---- 2001 Dutch's evaluation even estimated F-35, a paper aeroplane, and 12 years still at large..

 

[longlong]

It's ridiculous how u posted such pics which u really dont know of??

Do u know what is the meaning of corner reflector???

it should be atleast 90 degree to reflect radar like these

those pics in rafale what u have posted is not 90 degree those are scalloped {greater than 90} to reduce RCS & for rafale's kidney shaped air intakes .

WTF u posted gaps!! those gaps seen in diverter blade is also found in F22 also but does that make F22 less stealthy than J10b ??
Those areas are RAM coated so no major differences in RCS size for that .



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100% corner reflector is impossible, it does not exist in the world. Everything is in a tolerance band, dude..

 

[IceCold]

And so the dick measuring contest begins

 

[longlong]

Geez !!

ok here is a source which states about actuall kill rate of BVR missiles & Within VR missiles

haa haa

Rofl mao

What crap logic is this to explain your POV

It's the technology inside the radar matters more not the size .

BTW the french relying more on passive detection through Spectra/FSO for stealth
reason even if it may be having AESA radar



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Why always got people said "size doesn't matter"? Or you only said that when you're small?

Size is the most important parameter of a radar, only because we cannot make it as big as we want, that's why we have SAR, make it as a big disk synthetically.

What if Rafale has a big disk? Same module, will she has more T/R and is more powerful?

And if size dose not matter, why don't make as a super capable single pixel AESA radar?

Or we can a super small disk by a super good "what inside"?

 

[PiyaraPakistan]

Is the pilot in the video has a heart prblem because he was breathing hard.

Reminds me the famous Oxygen problem in this super duper AC.

 

[Superboy]

just like your nuclear submarines…..makes more noise than the submarines from the 70's era

As a matter of fact, Type 093 is on par with Improved Los Angeles of the 1980s. Type 093 is a pretty big sub. Beam 11 meters. That's more than Los Angeles and Virginia.

 

[UKBengali]

As a matter of fact, Type 093 is on par with Improved Los Angeles of the 1980s. Type 093 is a pretty big sub. Beam 11 meters. That's more than Los Angeles and Virginia.

Type -095 will not be too far off the Virginia class subs.