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New details of Iran-China 25-year cooperation pact

It's a deal which directly targets the domestic production in Iran again.


don't trust the traitors. In recent years they turned Iran into an import hub specially for consumer products, that's why our factories were shut down, that's why our currency is loosing it's value. why the hell did we import grocery stores (chain stores)???!!! it neither needed huge investment, nor high tech, yet they collect their profit each year and devalue our currency while some like canbo exclusively use foreign products or those imported and just have a fake Iranian logo! it was a treason directly guided from US through it's agents (US graduated liberal economist) in Iran, same in politics, same in industry. don't trust the PHD of these clowns, their ability to think independently isn't better than a 7 years old kid! I mean it. when you see their speech (for example in Parliament few days ago), imagine a monkey head on their body!

foreign investment when our country is flooded with cash is pure treason. it helps the current government to solve it's own problems, but in future it will devalue our currency. Foreign investment is like a pain killer, it fools you while has it's own side effects too. furthermore they want Iran's government to guarantee their investment return which reminds me of loan sharks, it's the exact tactic which China used to enslave some African countries.

Be rest assured everywhere you see the word investment, there is a monopoly for Chinese products and operators behind it, whether it's wagons, rails, refineries, etc. with that in your mind, read the context again and think do we need it, what's gain and loose.

If I want to be optimistic (and by optimistic I mean a naive and slow brain who would believe JCPOA was any good) this deal is just another waste of precious time (another JCPOA) too.

They publish this news as a positive news but god knows it's not:
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Bro, you are too sensitive and stubborn.

In fact, the number of merchants from Iranian bazzars is always large in Yiwu ---- the capital of small common goods of the world. Not only Iranian merchants, but merchants from worldwide. Even everything in BLM protests, like T-shirts/hats with slogan, are made by China.

Many Chinese merchants suffers a lot due to the sanctions ---- they cannot receive the money from Iran, and many of them got bankrupted, so private trade between China and Iran is nearly extinct now

But Chinese state-owned giants are still cooperating with Iran regardless of sanctions ---- doing business with Iran often resulted LOSS in money. We have paid heavy price for trade with Iran. In the ZTE event, we lost billions of $ and get humiliated, and thus Huawei get targeted by America, and did we complain so much?

But, it is the political order from the high level to support Iran that motivate our investment. Iran-Chinese relationship has NOT SO MUCH TO DO WITH MONEY.
 
In fact, the number of merchants from Iranian bazzars is always large in Yiwu

Many Chinese merchants suffers a lot due to the sanctions ---- they cannot receive the money from Iran, and many of them got bankrupted, so private trade between China and Iran is nearly extinct now
But Chinese state-owned giants are still cooperating with Iran regardless of sanctions ---- doing business with Iran often resulted LOSS in money. We have paid heavy price for trade with Iran. In the ZTE event, we lost billions of $ and get humiliated, and thus Huawei get targeted by America, and did we complain so much?

1. In recent years, many Syrian immigrants have come to Yiwu. Hopefully Yiwu will not become the second Cologne.

2. Doing business with Iran is too risky.
 
Pakistan need to develop a bank in gawadar that should solely facilitate promotion of trade between countries in their local currency by ditching dollar or any third party currency. It could be a payment Chanel between gulf countries and China. It would be ideal location to facilitate transactions of this kind as there will be Chinese presence and gulf countries will be near by to deposit their gold as security. That bank probably will come under American sanctions but that bank could avoid sanctions by just dealing with those countries who want to ditch dollar and avoid sanctions to do business specially what Russia is doing right now. Make that bank independent from SBP. This would also really benefit Iran. Plus trade with Pakistan will be increased.
Bro, sanctions can come in any shape or form, and any entity can be targeted. Trading in USD or not, make no difference whatsoever.

On what grounds people are assuming that not trading in USD is a foolproof economic mechanism? Completely misleading thought process.

USA is Pakistan's second largest trading partner, and give us SURPLUS business. WE have billions of USD of DEFICIT with China however - our largest. This is not a sustainable economic dynamic. Pakistan has to find ways to bridge the gulf between imports and exports.

Dealings with Iran are not an issue, sanctions are.

Pakistan is not a major oil producing country - WE have significant constraints. American moves, are likely to produce a significant impact in our case.
 
Bro, sanctions can come in any shape or form, and any entity can be targeted. Trading in USD or not, make no difference whatsoever.

On what grounds people are assuming that not trading in USD is a foolproof economic mechanism? Completely misleading thought process.

USA is Pakistan's second largest trading partner, and give us SURPLUS business. WE have billions of USD of DEFICIT with China however - our largest. This is not a sustainable economic dynamic. Pakistan has to find ways to bridge the gulf between imports and exports.

Dealings with Iran are not an issue, sanctions are.

Pakistan is not a major oil producing country - WE have significant constraints. American moves, are likely to produce a significant impact in our case.
That's why I said autonomous bank which will not be under the rules of state bank of Pakistan. Even I would recommend making Gawadar a separate entity with special rules for it which mostly won't apply to rest of the Pakistan. That status would attract investment specially related to tourism. More like LA of Pakistan.
About banking Cayman island, swiss banks all been working this way except anti terrorism related issues where they have to comply with those regulations. So this bank won't be doing anything wrong as it will be faciliting trade in local currency only.
Its not just about Iran but China would prefer to deal with all countries in yuan but others countries prefer to deal in local currency to avoid the wrath of USA. Even Saudis would prefer this deal along many countries.
 
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I don’t Deny your stated points. Given the fact that our Foreign minister is a loser isnt hard to understand. He is mentioning JCPOA as a national pride. He doesn't even know what is Talking about.
To make a comparison between Western investment(World bank) and the Chinese One, just look at the difference in returned interest for Received loans. China wants 2 percent, the World bank on the other hand cripples the economy of targeted country hitting them with debt trap. Chinese folks are hardworking people, in case of their investment they are ruthless. I have seen the dicipline implemented on their workers. But i think we need some dose of this dicipline to be honest.

Again to make a comparison between Western and Chinese investment, you need to Read the history of both sides. West has a history of colonizing weak nations but Chinese is known to their proud humane culture. All along the history Chinese rulers have always good relations with Iranian kingdoms. I don’t know why but its a historical fact.

West is hegemonic, China is a economical hub. West is a colonizer, China is a free nation. Just compare them with Trump worshipping Indians.

West destroys, China builds. Most important difference between China and Soviets is that China wont try to spread communism in other countries. So China wont be a ideological Cancer like Western countries with Imperialistic/Zionist ideologies.

Maybe I am optimistic about China and Chinese more than usual. But id Choose Chinese over Western colonialist criminals any day.
I'm not comparing the west with east, I'm talking about our own traitors who devalue our currency with their open shit policies. I'm talking about the 22000t dollar.
 
I'm not comparing the west with east, I'm talking about our own traitors who devalue our currency with their open shit policies. I'm talking about the 22000t dollar.
True. We voted for them. Remember?

The guy is our Abu Musa Ashari. What do you expect from a dimwit who spoke of peace with our own sworn enemies in the Middle of War in Syria?
 
Trump really messed up everything.
Indian involvement into Central Asian and Afganistan is dead and buried, years of works wasted. When you have the US as your ally, there is no need for an enemy.

US is the Saadten kopek.
 
Bro, you are too sensitive and stubborn.

In fact, the number of merchants from Iranian bazzars is always large in Yiwu ---- the capital of small common goods of the world. Not only Iranian merchants, but merchants from worldwide. Even everything in BLM protests, like T-shirts/hats with slogan, are made by China.

Many Chinese merchants suffers a lot due to the sanctions ---- they cannot receive the money from Iran, and many of them got bankrupted, so private trade between China and Iran is nearly extinct now

But Chinese state-owned giants are still cooperating with Iran regardless of sanctions ---- doing business with Iran often resulted LOSS in money. We have paid heavy price for trade with Iran. In the ZTE event, we lost billions of $ and get humiliated, and thus Huawei get targeted by America, and did we complain so much?

But, it is the political order from the high level to support Iran that motivate our investment. Iran-Chinese relationship has NOT SO MUCH TO DO WITH MONEY.
No, it's you who just have heard one side of the story.

Maybe China should have thought further when was complying with US in UNSC and ratifying sanctions against Iran, These sanctions were with your consent in the first place. do you know how many billion dollars of our money was blocked in China?! your leaders knew very well what they were doing.

But US just wanted to maintain it's superiority in the technology market so back-stabbed China by punishing ZTE and Huawei, Iran was just an excuse, again don't blame us for that.
 
Trump really messed up everything.
100% agree. Trump is the last breath of racists in America..once he's done, its over for them...socialist capitalist America will start.
Indian involvement into Central Asian and Afghanistan is dead and buried, years of works wasted.
how so? pls give us backup. Personally, i disagree.....many countries have made connections and inroads into Afghanistan...US obv was going to leave because its not from the region, but others will still be there, including India...
When you have the US as your ally, there is no need for an enemy.
Wrong- US attracts enemies, so when you're US's friend, you will also get targeted for that. This is the reason Iran beats up on Saudi ARabia.

How about Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline.
So many Pakistanis are against this, even though practical reality says its the best long term solution.. PDF doesnt want to hear this though!!

Pakistan need to develop a bank in gawadar that should solely facilitate promotion of trade between countries in their local currency by ditching dollar or any third party currency. It could be a payment Chanel between gulf countries and China. It would be ideal location to facilitate transactions of this kind as there will be Chinese presence and gulf countries will be near by to deposit their gold as security. That bank probably will come under American sanctions but that bank could avoid sanctions by just dealing with those countries who want to ditch dollar and avoid sanctions to do business specially what Russia is doing right now. Make that bank independent from SBP. This would also really benefit Iran. Plus trade with Pakistan will be increased.
Great point. I cannot ignore now the reality i just understood which is that this dollar mess happens mostly because of these countries' addiction to foreign things...foreign things means dollars....dollars mean pressure on local currency...but there are often local or good Chinese/Asian (especially) that can be bought instead of western dollar dominated ones...smh.

There is no infrastructure to supply Iranian oil through Russia....and Russia if anything itself will be heavily sanctioned if it acts like a proxy
and i dunno 1 strategic reason Russia would do this. why would Russia sell Iran's oil to China when Russia can sell more oil to China instead?

Bro, you are too sensitive and stubborn.

In fact, the number of merchants from Iranian bazzars is always large in Yiwu ---- the capital of small common goods of the world. Not only Iranian merchants, but merchants from worldwide. Even everything in BLM protests, like T-shirts/hats with slogan, are made by China.

Many Chinese merchants suffers a lot due to the sanctions ---- they cannot receive the money from Iran, and many of them got bankrupted, so private trade between China and Iran is nearly extinct now

But Chinese state-owned giants are still cooperating with Iran regardless of sanctions ---- doing business with Iran often resulted LOSS in money. We have paid heavy price for trade with Iran. In the ZTE event, we lost billions of $ and get humiliated, and thus Huawei get targeted by America, and did we complain so much?
Ok, these are interesting notes for us to understand.

But, it is the political order from the high level to support Iran that motivate our investment. Iran-Chinese relationship has NOT SO MUCH TO DO WITH MONEY.
HMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!! Its a bit hard for me to believe this when :

1) CHina is investing "so much" financially and commercially in Iran
2) Point 1 above can be interpreted as economic colonialism of Iran, as a large, lucrative market for a long tiem.

Just sayin! you said something that sounds guaranteed but from how i see it, its easily far from guaranteed and genuine. Iran does need a lifeline and China wont overthrow their system, but economically, i expect Iran to do well and China to do great.
 
Not worth paper which signed,
all i can say we Iran ( will not do not carry out no what so ever deal ) with out seen other sided ( China ) paying our money back in dollar or gold which they owe
 
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When Zionists are angry , US is angry :

Defying U.S., China and Iran Near Trade and Military Partnership


The investment and security pact would vastly extend China’s influence in the Middle East, throwing Iran an economic lifeline and creating new flash points with the United States.

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The partnership was first proposed by President Xi Jinping of China during a visit to Iran where he met his Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani in 2016.Credit...Ebrahim Noroozi/Associated Press

Iran and China have quietly drafted a sweeping economic and security partnership that would clear the way for billions of dollars of Chinese investments in energy and other sectors, undercutting the Trump administration’s efforts to isolate the Iranian government because of its nuclear and military ambitions.

The partnership, detailed in an 18-page proposed agreement obtained by The New York Times, would vastly expand Chinese presence in banking, telecommunications, ports, railways and dozens of other projects. In exchange, China would receive a regular — and, according to an Iranian official and an oil trader, heavily discounted — supply of Iranian oil over the next 25 years.

The document also describes deepening military cooperation, potentially giving China a foothold in a region that has been a strategic preoccupation of the United States for decades. It calls for joint training and exercises, joint research and weapons development and intelligence sharing — all to fight “the lopsided battle with terrorism, drug and human trafficking and cross-border crimes.”

The partnership — first proposed by China’s leader, Xi Jinping, during a visit to Iran in 2016 — was approved by President Hassan Rouhani’s cabinet in June, Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, said last week.

Iranian officials have publicly stated that there is a pending agreement with China, and one Iranian official, as well as several people who have discussed it with the Iranian government, confirmed that it is the document obtained by The Times, which is labeled “final version” and dated June, 2020.

It has not yet been submitted to Iran’s Parliament for approval or made public, stoking suspicions in Iran about how much the government is preparing to give away to China.

In Beijing, officials have not disclosed the terms of the agreement, and it is not clear whether Mr. Xi’s government has signed off or, if it has, when it might announce it.

If put into effect as detailed, the partnership would create new and potentially dangerous flash points in the deteriorating relationship between China and the United States.

It represents a major blow to the Trump administration’s aggressive policy toward Iran since abandoning the nuclear deal reached in 2015 by President Obama and the leaders of six other nations after two years of grueling negotiations.

Renewed American sanctions, including the threat to cut off access to the international banking system for any company that does business in Iran, have succeeded in suffocating the Iranian economy by scaring away badly needed foreign trade and investment.

But Tehran’s desperation has pushed it into the arms of China, which has the technology and appetite for oil that Iran needs. Iran has been one of the world’s largest oil producers, but its exports, Tehran’s largest source of revenue, have plunged since the Trump administration began imposing sanctions in 2018; China gets about 75 percent of its oil from abroad and is the world’s largest importer, at more than 10 million barrels a day last year.

At a time when the United States is reeling from recession and the coronavirus, and increasingly isolated internationally, Beijing senses American weakness. The draft agreement with Iran shows that unlike most countries, China feels it is in a position to defy the United States, powerful enough to withstand American penalties, as it has in the trade war waged by President Trump.

“Two ancient Asian cultures, two partners in the sectors of trade, economy, politics, culture and security with a similar outlook and many mutual bilateral and multilateral interests will consider one another strategic partners,” the document says in its opening sentence.

The Chinese investments in Iran, which two people who have been briefed on the deal said would total $400 billion over 25 years, could trigger still more punitive actions against Chinese companies, which have already been targeted by the administration in recent months.

“The United States will continue to impose costs on Chinese companies that aid Iran, the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism,” a State Department spokeswoman wrote in response to questions about the draft agreement.

“By allowing or encouraging Chinese companies to conduct sanctionable activities with the Iranian regime, the Chinese government is undermining its own stated goal of promoting stability and peace.”

The expansion of military assistance, training and intelligence-sharing will also be viewed with alarm in Washington. American warships already tangle regularly with Iranian forces in the crowded waters of the Persian Gulf and challenge China’s internationally disputed claim to much of the South China Sea, and the Pentagon’s national security strategyhas declared China an adversary.

When reports of a long-term investment agreement with Iran surfaced last September, China’s foreign ministry dismissed the question out of hand. Asked about it again last week, a spokesman, Zhao Lijian, left open the possibility that a deal was in the works.

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A tanker carrying crude oil imported from Iran at the Port of Zhoushan, China, in 2018.

“China and Iran enjoy traditional friendship, and the two sides have been in communication on the development of bilateral relations,” he said. “We stand ready to work with Iran to steadily advance practical cooperation.”
The projects — nearly 100 are cited in the draft agreement — are very much in keeping with Mr. Xi’s ambitions to extend its economic and strategic influence across Eurasia through the “Belt and Road Initiative,” a vast aid and investment program.

The projects, including airports, high-speed railways and subways, would touch the lives of millions of Iranians. China would develop free-trade zones in Maku, in northwestern Iran; in Abadan, where the Shatt al-Arab river flows into the Persian Gulf, and on the Gulf island Qeshm.

The agreement also includes proposals for China to build the infrastructure for a 5G telecommunications network, to offer the new Chinese Global Positioning System, Beidou, and to help Iranian authorities assert greater control over what circulates in cyberspace, presumably as China’s Great Firewall does.

The American campaign against a major Chinese telecommunications company, Huawei, includes a criminal case against its chief financial officer, Meng Wanzhou, for seeking to disguise investments in Iran in order to evade American sanctions. The Trump administration has barred Huawei from involvement in 5G development in the United States, and has tried, without great success, to persuade other countries to do the same.

Moving ahead with a broad investment program in Iran appears to signal Beijing’s growing impatience with the Trump administration after its abandonment of the nuclear agreement. China has repeatedly called on the administration to preserve the deal, which it was a party to, and has sharply denounced the American use of unilateral sanctions.

Iran has traditionally looked west toward Europe for trade and investment partners. Increasingly though, it has grown frustrated with European countries that have opposed Mr. Trump’s policy but quietly withdrawn from the kinds of deals that the nuclear agreement once promised.

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President Trump withdrew the United States from the Iran nuclear deal in 2018.

“Iran and China both view this deal as a strategic partnership in not just expanding their own interests but confronting the U.S.,” said Ali Gholizadeh, an Iranian energy researcher at the University of Science and Technology of China in Beijing. “It is the first of its kind for Iran keen on having a world power as an ally.”

The proposed partnership has nonetheless stoked a fierce debate within Iran. Mr. Zarif, the foreign minister, who traveled to Beijing last October to negotiate the agreement, faced hostile questioning about it in Parliament last week.

The document was provided to The Times by someone familiar with its drafting with the intention of showing the scope of the projects now under consideration.

Mr. Zarif said the agreement would be submitted to Parliament for final approval. It has the support of Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, two Iranian officials said.

Mr. Khamenei’s top economic adviser, Ali Agha Mohammadi, appeared on state television recently to discuss the need for an economic lifeline. He said Iran needs to increase its oil production to at least 8.5 million barrels a day in order to remain a player in the energy market, and for that, it needs China.

Iranian supporters of the strategic partnership say that given the country’s limited economic options, the free-falling currency and the dim prospect of U.S. sanctions being lifted, the deal with China could provide a lifeline.

“Every road is closed to Iran,” said Fereydoun Majlesi, a former diplomat and a columnist for several Iranian newspapers on diplomacy. “The only path open is China. Whatever it is, until sanctions are lifted, this deal is the best option.”

But critics across the political spectrum in Iran have raised concerns that the government is secretly “selling off” the country to China in a moment of economic weakness and international isolation. In a speech in late June, a former president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, called it a suspicious secret deal that the people of Iran would never approve.

The critics have cited previous Chinese investment projects that have left countries in Africa and Asia indebted and ultimately beholden to the authorities in Beijing. A particular concern has been the proposed port facilities in Iran, including two along the coast of the Sea of Oman.

One at Jask, just outside of the Strait of Hormuz, the entrance to the Persian Gulf, would give the Chinese a strategic vantage point on the waters through which much of the world’s oil transits. The passage is of critical strategic importance to the United States, whose Navy’s Fifth Fleet is headquartered in Bahrain, in the Gulf.
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Jask, located at the entrance to the Persian Gulf, would give the Chinese a strategic vantage point on the waters through which much of the world’s oil transits

China has already constructed a series of ports along the Indian Ocean, creating a necklace of refueling and resupply stations from the South China Sea to the Suez Canal. Ostensibly commercial in nature, the ports potentially have military value, too, allowing China’s rapidly growing Navyto expand its reach.

Those include ports at Hambantota in Sri Lanka and Gwadar in Pakistan, which are widely criticized as footholds for a potential military presence, though no Chinese forces have officially been deployed at them.

China opened its first overseas military base in Djibouti in 2015, ostensibly to support its forces participating in international antipiracy operations off the coast of Somalia. The outpost, which began as a logistics base but is now more heavily fortified, is within miles of the American base in that country.

China has also stepped up military cooperation with Iran. The People’s Liberation Army Navy has visited and participated in military exercises at least three times, beginning in 2014. The most recent was last December, when a Chinese missile destroyer, the Xining, joined a naval exercise with the Russian and Iranian navies in the Gulf of Oman.

China’s state-owned Xinhua news agency quoted the commander of Iran’s Navy, Rear Adm. Hossein Khanzadi, saying that the exercise showed “the era of American invasions in the region is over.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/world/asia/china-iran-trade-military-deal.html
 
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