Nepal a religious refuge for many Pakistani Ahmadis

[Mrc]

What in the world mirza sahib did to be termed a messiah??
A fitna created by british and still being protected by them..

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Prophet Muhammad SAW is the last Prophet (Rasool) the last to bring a book and Sharia and Hadhrar Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian is the Promised Mahdi and Messiah and Prohet Muhammad SAW called the Messiah a (Nabiullah) so who am I to say he is not a Nabi the Muslims have been waiting for. He brought no new Sharia and no new book but was sent to bring Muslims together. Hazrat Isa AS died a natural death and did not die on the cross and was not taken alive.

That clearly proves that the Qadianis are not Muslims ! Mirza Qadiani was nothing but a lying heretic and kaffir who was prodded by the British to create division among the Muslims. If this heretic had started his fitna in modern times he would also have ended in unmarked grave in a jail cemetery like Yousaf Kazab.

 

[Jackdaws]

Fixed .
Please Indian these are Ahmediyyas not muslim .

• Declaration by the Muslim World League 1974

Qadianism or Ahmadiyyat: It is a subversive movement against Islam and the Muslim world, which falsely and decietfully claims to be an Islamic sect; who under the guise of Islam and for the sake of mundane interests contrives and plans to damage the very foundations of Islam. Its eminent deviations from the basic Islamic principles are as follows:
1. Its founder claimed that he was a Prophet.
2. They deliberately distort the meanings of the verses of the Holy Quran.
3. They decalred that Jehad has been obolished.

Qadianism was originally fostered by the British imperialism. Hence it has been flourishing under her flag. This movement has completely been disloyal to and dishonest in affairs of the Muslim Ummah. Rather, it has been loyal to Imperialism and Zionism. It has deep associations and cooperation with the anti Islamic forces and teachings especially through the following nefarious methods:

1) Construction of mosques with the assistance of the anti Islamic forces wherin the misleading Qadiani thoughts are imparted to the people.
2) Opening of schools institutions and orphanages wherein the people are taught and trained as to how they can be more anti Islamic in their activities. They also published the corrupted versions of the Holy Quran in different local and international languages.

In order to combat these dangers, the Conference recommends the following measures:

1. All the Muslim organization in the world must keep a vigilant eye on all the activities of Qadianisin their respective countries; to confine them all strictly to their schools, institutions and orphanages only. Moreover he Muslims of the world be shown the true picture of Qadianism and be briefed of their various tactics so that the Muslims of the world be saved from their designs.
2. They must be declared non Muslims and ousted form the fold of Islam. And be barred to enter the Holy lands.
3. There must be no dealings with the Qadianis. They must be coycotted socially , economically and culturally Nor they be married with or to Nor they be allowed to be buried in the Muslims graveyards. And they be treated like other non Muslims.
4. All the Muslim countries must impose restrictions on the activities of the claimant of Prophethood Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani�s followers; must declare them a non Muslim minority must not etrust them them with any post of responsibility in any Muslim country.
5. The alterations effected by them in the Holy Quran must be made public and the people be briefed of them and all these be prohibited for further publication.
6. All such groups as are deviators from islam must be treated at par with the Qadianis.

Fatawa of the The Permanent Board for Inquiry and Fatwa, Saudia Arabia

Question: What is the Islamic ruling (fatwa) about this new religion Ahmadiyya and its followers? … In addition, when and where did this religion originate and what is the Islamic ruling (fatwa) about people who are in its favor?
All Praise to Allah who is The One and Blessings and Peace be upon his Messenger, his Followers and Companions … To the Point:

Answer: The Pakistan government has ruled these people outside the fold of Islam; also, the Muslim World League (Rabita A’ailm-e-Islami) in Mecca has passed a similar fatwa. In the gathering of the Muslim Scholars (Rabita A’ailm-e-Islami) in the year 1394 A.H. (1974), a written statement was drafted to explain the true principles of this group, how and when they started, and so on. Very briefly, this group has declare that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, an Indian, is a prophet who has received revelations from Allah and that no one will be correct in his Islam, unless he believes in him (Mirza). He (Mirza) was born in the 13th century, but Allah(SWT) has told us in his Book (Quran) that prophet Muhammad(SAW) is the last of Prophets1; all Muslim scholars have given an unanimous ruling that whoever makes the claim that after him(SAW) there can appear a new prophet is a Kafir (non-Muslim), because he will be lying about Allah’s Book and about the hadith of the Prophet(SAW) which states that he(SAW) is the very last of the Prophets. In addition, this would be contrary to the consensus of the Muslim Ummah.

With Allah is Success and Peace of Allah be upon his Messenger Muhammad and his Followers and Companions.

The Permanent Board for Inquiry and Fatwa (Saudia Arabia):



Member Member Vice Chairman Chairman
Abdullah bin Ghaud Abdullah bin Ghedian Abdulrezagh Afifi Abdulaziz bin Abdullah bin Baz
1: Ahmad: 398/2, 412, 79/3, 248, 81/4, 84, 127, 128, 278/5; Al-Bukhari: 3535; Muslim: 2286, 2287

Fatawa al-Lajnah ad-Daimah lil-Buhoth al-'Ilmiyah wal-Ifta., Question 3 of Fatwa No. 1615

Fatwa of Islamic Fiqh Academy, Egypt

Dear scholars, As-Salaam `Alaykum

Would you please shed some light on the Ahmadiyyah or Qadyaniyyah movement? Jazakum Allah khayran.

Answer:

Wa`alykum As-Salaamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear sister in Islam, thanks for showing great keenness on understanding the teachings of your religion and we pray to Allah to keep us firm on the Straight Path.

As regards the question you posed, we quote for you the fatwa issued by Islamic Fiqh Academy on Qadyaniyyah, with slight additions from other sources. It goes as follows:

Definition:

Qadyaniyyah (also known as Ahmadiyyah) is an Indian-based movement that was established under the patronage of the British colonial powers in 1900 for the aim of driving Muslims away from their religion and, most definitely, the religious duty of Jihad, which, they feared, might be used to stage rebellion against the British occupation. The mouthpiece of the movement was Religions, a magazine that was issued in English at that time.

Dogmas and Ideology:

Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of the movement, began his activities as an Islamic caller to attract as many supporters as he could. Later, he claimed himself a reformer and a divinely-inspired man. Afterwards, he said that he was the awaited Mahdi. Later on, he claimed prophethood and even said that his prophethood was much better than that of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him.

The followers of this group believe that Allah, Glorified be He, performs some acts befitting the mortals, like fasting, praying, sleeping, and even committing mistakes. But Allah Almighty is Far Exalted above what they say!

A Qadyani believes that his lord is English as he speaks to him in English. He also believes that Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, is not the seal of Prophets and that Allah Almighty sends new prophets according to time and need, and that Ghulam Ahmad is the greatest prophet. The followers of this sect also believe that Angel Gabriel used to come to Ghulam Ahmad and convey revelations to him. In addition, they say that the only accepted book is the book presented by Ghulam Ahmad, his words are the only accepted words and that all prophets stand under his control. Furthermore, they believe that their book, known as Al-Mubeen is a heavenly-revealed one.

They continue spreading their false ideas by saying that they have a new religion totally different from all other religions and that the companions of Ghulam Ahmad are like the Prophet�s Companions. Moreover, they say that Qadyan, their leader�s place of birth, is like, or even better than, Makkah and Madinah, so they take it as their prayer direction and a center of pilgrimage. They call for ignoring Jihad and showing complete obedience to the British empire, because it represents the ruler to whom obedience is due. To them, every Muslim is a Kafir (disbeliever) until he converts to their belief, and that anyone who marries a non-Qadyani is considered an unbeliever. They also allow wine, opium, intoxicants and drugs.

In 1914 the followers of Ghulam Ahmad were divided into two groups. The overwhelming majority of his followers belong to the first group known as Qadyanis and were headed by Bashiruddin Mahmud, the second successor of Ghulam Ahmad. The second group known as Lahori, and founded by Muhammad �Ali Lahori, is a minority among the followers of Ghulam Ahmad. The second group have a less striking tone of their principles by claiming that they do not believe in Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet in the real sense of the term but as Mujaddid (a renovator). However, they still believe him to be true in all other claims, which led Muslims to regard them also as outside the pale of Islam.

Qadianiyah in the Eyes of Muslims:

On the month of Rabi` Al-Awwal 1394 A.H. (April 1974 A.C.) a large conference was held in the Muslim World League headquarters in Makkah and was attended by many representatives of international Islamic organizations. The communiqu� issued by this conference branded this group as Kafirs (unbelievers). It also recommended that all Muslims should stand to face this group and never deal with its members and not to bury them in Muslim cemeteries.

Moreover, Qadyaniyyah followers have good relations with Israel that helped them issue a special magazine (that stands as their mouthpiece) and many other pamphlets that are distributed all over the world.

Conclusion:

Based on the above-mentioned facts, we can say that Qadyaniyyah is a deviant group that has nothing to do with Islam. Muslims are to be aware of them especially after they have been branded as Kafirs by all scholars.

For more information, you can read the following:

- Muhammad Iqbal, Islam and Ahmadism, Lahore-Pakistan, 1976.
- Syed Abul Ala Maudoodi, The Qadiani Problem, Karachi, 1956.
- Ehsan Elahi Zaheer, Qadiyaniat: An Analytical Survey, Lahore-Pakistan, 1976.
- Mahmood A. Ghazi, Qadiani Problem and Position of the Lahori Group, Islamic Book Foundation, Islamabad, 1991.
- Bashir Ahmad, Ahamadiyya Movement: British Jewish Connections, Islamabad, 1994.
- Mane`Bin Hammad Al-Juhani, Al-Mawsu`ah Al-Muyassarah fi Al-Adyan wal Madhahib Al-Mu`asirah.

Allah Almighty knows best.

Nope - not according to the Indian judiciary. They are Muslims as far as we are concerned. Shihabuddin Imbichi Koya Thangal vs K.P. Ahammed Koya on 8 December, 1970

 

[Spring Onion]

i could answer easily what you dont expect me to ! but lets play this the islamic way ? who are you to ask me what i believe ? none of your business !

What qadyanis/mirzaies believe is not our business BUT when you qadyanis start insulting Islam by terming ghulam mirza some kind of a prophet then indeed it is our business to stand for our faith.

The lies of ghulam mirza can be proven through his own statements.

he is not the promissed masseha at all.

 

[Jackdaws]

What qadyanis/mirzaies believe is not our business BUT when you qadyanis start insulting Islam by terming ghulam mirza some kind of a prophet then indeed it is our business to stand for our faith.

The lies of ghulam mirza can be proven through his own statements.

he is not the promissed masseha at all.

The general principle accepted is that the rights and beliefs of a minority can't be subject to the whims and beliefs of the majority.

 

[Spring Onion]

Nope - not according to the Indian judiciary. They are Muslims as far as we are concerned. Shihabuddin Imbichi Koya Thangal vs K.P. Ahammed Koya on 8 December, 1970

Hindu India is not the Islamic world.

Secondly what can we expect from a country that is enemy of Muslims. Thirdly qadyaniat was crated and nurtured on Indian oil by the brits

The general principle accepted is that the rights and beliefs of a minority can't be subject to the whims and beliefs of the majority.

))))))))))))))))))))) sure we have no issue if they accept that they are a different faith and minority.

It is Islamic World Vs qadyanis. Simple as that.

 

[terry5]

Prophet Muhammad SAW is the last Prophet (Rasool) the last to bring a book and Sharia and Hadhrar Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian is the Promised Mahdi and Messiah and Prohet Muhammad SAW called the Messiah a (Nabiullah) so who am I to say he is not a Nabi the Muslims have been waiting for. He brought no new Sharia and no new book but was sent to bring Muslims together. Hazrat Isa AS died a natural death and did not die on the cross and was not taken alive.

So ,if this is the case where is /was he burried ?

 

[Jackdaws]

Hindu India is not the Islamic world.

Secondly what can we expect from a country that is enemy of Muslims. Thirdly qadyaniat was crated and nurtured on Indian oil by the brits



))))))))))))))))))))) sure we have no issue if they accept that they are a different faith and minority.

It is Islamic World Vs qadyanis. Simple as that.

You are entitled to your personal views - you can call them heretics if you like. But it is not the job of the State to label people Non-Muslims if they proclaim themselves to be Muslims.

Firstly, India is not Hindu - it is merely majority Hindu, nor is it an enemy of Muslims. We were busy supporting Yaseer Arafat's Palestinian cause while you were joining CEATO and SENTO and taking weapons from Israel all of which were calling him a terrorist. Save the crocodile tears.

 

[terry5]

Nope - not according to the Indian judiciary. They are Muslims as far as we are concerned. Shihabuddin Imbichi Koya Thangal vs K.P. Ahammed Koya on 8 December, 1970

Good for you. a Hindu telling who is a muslim or non muslim LOL

 

[AugenBlick]

WOW ... Nepal is like 90%+ Hindu+Buddhist.....so many idolators ... wonder why muslims want to go their .... most pakistanis use so derogatory words for hinduism not only on this forum but their national TV too.
Munafiq Qaum.

 

[Ehsan]

So ,if this is the case where is /was he burried ?

Going to ignore the rest of the hate but here is the answer to your question

 

[Jaanbaz]

This is not good man, living like that in a small and poor country like Nepal with no rights whatsoever. UNHCR should resettle them to a better country.

Now coming back to clowns on this thread, we don't care what you think about Ahmadis, most western born Ahmadis aren't even big fans of Pakistan because of its discriminatory laws against Ahmadis. Only Pakistani born Ahmadis are so concerned about Pakistan. They should just forget Pakistan, its a lost cause, abandon the ship. There is nothing Ahmadis can do that will help Pakistan in anyway. Most Pakistani ''official'' Muslims hate Ahmadis so we should forget about that God forsaken country, we should concentrate on our future, our future as Ahmadi Muslims.

 

[Ehsan]

This is not good man, living like that in a small and poor country like Nepal with no rights whatsoever. UNHCR should resettle them to a better country.

Now coming back to clowns on this thread, we don't care what you think about Ahmadis, most western born Ahmadis aren't even big fans of Pakistan because of its discriminatory laws against Ahmadis. Only Pakistani born Ahmadis are so concerned about Pakistan. They should just forget Pakistan, its a lost cause, abandon the ship. There is nothing Ahmadis can do that will help Pakistan in anyway. Most Pakistani ''official'' Muslims hate Ahmadis so we should forget about that God forsaken country, we should concentrate on our future, our future as Ahmadi Muslims.

while people are hating here #PeaceForAhmadis tag by our Sunni and Shia brothers was trending

 

[CHI RULES]

May before giving back their passports they should also ask for their taxes back and sue the govt for discrimination and harassment because the govt failed to protect them.

Since Pak is passing through hard times so as per your logic every tax payer should be refunded for paid taxes since no one is getting any sort of govt facilities. Even if we want to find excuses then daily many Muslims are dying in Pak due terrorism especially in Karachi/KPK. You can't blame Govt for every thing. Your logic is quite fake.

Sikhs, Kashmiris, people of Jharkhand and Assam should also have same claims from Indian Govt.

 

[terry5]

Going to ignore the rest of the hate but here is the answer to your question

Which hate ? i dont hate you or wrote anything hurtfull ?

On topic of the grave
what about this here ?

In 1891 Mirza Ghulam Ahmed wrote a huge volume, Izala Auham, which ran upto 948 pages. In the second volume of this book, he wrote a detailed, mind boggling explanation trying to prove that Jesus was not taken physically to heavens (as the Muslims believe), but that he was taken down from the cross, went to his native place, Al-Khalil, died and buried there. He writes:

Jesus (PBUH) buried in Al-Khaleeli (Gulailee).
“This is true that Maseeh went to his native place, and died there, but this is not true that the same body which was buried, became alive again….. verse 3 chapter I of Acts is a testimony about the natural death of Jesus that took place in Al-Khaleeli. After this death, Maseeh was visible to his students as KASHF (vision) for 40 days.”

(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.353-354)

or this

Grave of Jesus in Syria
However, 3 years later, in 1894, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed changed his story. In his other book, Atmam-e-Hujjat (Roohani Khazain volume 8) he once again tried to prove that Eisa Ibne Maryam (PBUH) is dead. In an attempt to prove that, he gave the testimony of one of his rare Arab Disciple, Molvi Mohammed Al-Saeedi Trabilisi Al-Shaami. He wrote:


“This has to be admitted that Hazrat Eisa is also dead, and interestingly enoughthe grave of Hazrat Eisa is also in Syria and for further clarity, in the footnote, I include the testimony of My brother, My lover in Allah, Molvi Mohammad Al-Saeedi Trablisi. He is a resident of Tripoli, in the Country of Syria and in his area is the Grave of Hazrat Essa AS (Jesus). If you say that Grave is a fake, then you must provide the proof of this fake, and prove that when this fraud took place. And in this event we will not be sure about the graves of any prophet and trust will be lost, and we will have to say that all those burial places are fake.” (Atmam E Hujat, Page: 18-19, Roohani Khazain vol.8 p.296-297, dated 1894)

then this

Jesus’ Grave in Kashmir:

However 8 years later, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed changed the story once again. Now he started propagating his new theory: Jesus (PBUH) is buried in Kashmir.

“It is proved with certianity that Essa AS (Jesus) migrated to Kashmir. After this Allah liberated him with his blessing and he kept on living there for a long time until he died and was included among the deads. And his burial place is still in the city of Srinagar (Tomb of Yus Asif)” (Al-Huda, 12 June 1902, Page 109)

“I have been informed about the grave of Eisa (in Kashmir).” (Roohani Khazain vol 18 p.358, 361)

“The grave of Jesus is in Kashmir.“(Roohani Khazain vol 18 p. 320, Nuzool-e-Maseeh, printed in 1909, after the death of Mirza)

Why such Contradictions ?