Nehru sought US assistance during 1962 Indo-China war

[911]

Haters are gonna to hate. Losers are gonna to bitch. Just let them.

They hate China not because of Tibet, but because China dwarf them in just about every measurable indices. Look at their state of affair, they are just 1/5 of China's size, and 1/3 of their population don't even have access to electricity, let alone internet. And they live average 9 years short than Chinese, and they are even shorter in average body height. The mouth is the only thing they have left that is bigger than China.

Sure they do fancy themselves as "the biggest democracy in the world", but with that pathetic 72% literate rate (that even counts those who can barely write their names right), we know what they have got there.

Don't waste your time with those who can not be reasoned. They would only submit themselves to foreign conquers, just look at their history.

Bizzare. Those who hate China is because of territorial dispute and not whatever reasons you stated.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Dude come 1962 ,you start cut copy paste.how many times you have to answered and still you keep repeating the same.we have debated atleast 10 times ,china did what it did because the people where getting restless and CCP and Mao where in danger being overthrown by the ordinary people who where dying due to hunger.

1962 was to divert focus from actual internal chinese issues and save power by their leaders.

So how can you explain why the 1962 war started at the Dhola post, an Indian Army outpost that was on China's side of the MacMahon line (Chinese territory)?

Dhola Post that triggered war was on China's side of McMahon Line - Business Standard

Now, are you going to tell me a conspiracy theory about how China forced India to carry out the Forward Policy, which meant putting military outposts north of the MacMahon line?

 

[dadeechi]

So how can you explain why the 1962 war started at the Dhola post, an Indian Army outpost that was on China's side of the MacMahon line (Chinese territory)?

Dhola Post that triggered war was on China's side of McMahon Line - Business Standard

Now, are you going to tell me a conspiracy theory about how China forced India to carry out the Forward Policy, which meant putting military outposts north of the MacMahon line?

TREATY OF FRIENDSHIP AND ALLIANCE
Concluded Between the Government of Mongolia and Tibet at Urga,
29 December 1912 (11 January 1913)
(Translation of the Tibetan text)
Mongolia and Thibet, having freed themselves from the dynasty of the
Manchus and separated from China, have formed their own independent
States, and having in view that both States from time immemorial
have professed one and the same religion, with a view to strengthening
their historic and mutual friendship the Minister for Foreign Affairs,
Nikta Biliktu Da-Lama Rabdan, and the Assistant Minister, General
and Manlai baatyr beiseh Damdinsurun, as plenipotentiaries of the
Government of the ruler of the Mongol people, and gudjir tsanshib
kanchen Lubsan-Agvan, donir Agvan Choinzin, director of the Bank
Ishichjamtso, and the clerk Gendun Galsan, as plenipotentiaries of the
Dalai Lama, the ruler of Thibet, have made the following agreement.
Article 1. The ruler of Thibet, Dalai Lama, approves and recognises
the formation of an independent Mongol State, and the proclamation,
in the year of the pig and the ninth day of the eleventh month, of
Chjebzun Damba Lama of the yellow faith as ruler of the country.
Article 2. The ruler of the Mongol people, Chjebzun Damba Lama,
approves and recognises the formation of an independent (Thibetan)
State and the proclamation of the Dalai Lama as ruler of Thibet.
Article 3. Both States will work by joint consideration for well-being
of the Buddhist faith.
Article 4. Both States, Mongolia and Thibet, from now and for all
time will afford each other assistance against external dangers.
Article 5. Each State within its own territory will afford assistance to
the subjects of the other travelling officially or privately on affairs of
religion or State.
Article 6. Both States, Mongolia and Thibet, as formerly, will carry on
a reciprocal trade in the products of their respective countries in wares,
cattle, & c., and will also open industrial establishments.
Article 7. From now the granting of credit to any one will be permitted
only with the knowledge and sanction of official institutions. Without
such sanction Government institutions will not consider claims.
As regards contracts made previous to the conclusion of the present
treaty, where serious loss is being incurred through the inability of
the two parties to come to terms, such debts may be recovered by
(Government) institutions, but in no case shall the debt concern
‘‘shabinars’’ or ‘‘khoshuns’’.
Article 8. Should it prove necessary to supplement the articles of the
present treaty, Mongolian and Thibetan Governments must appoint
special delegates, who will conclude such agreements as the conditions
of the time shall demand.
Article 9. The Present treaty shall come into force from the date of its
signature.
Plenipotentiaries from the Mongolian Government for the conclusion
of the treaty: Nikta Biliktu Da-Lama Rabdan, Minister for Foreign
Affairs; and General and Manlai baatyr beiseh Damdinsurun, Assistant
Minister.
Plenipotentiaries from the Dalai Lama, the ruler of Thibet, for the
conclusion of the treaty: Gudjir tsanshib kanchen Lubsan-Agvan,
Choinzin the Director of the Bank of Thibet Ishichjamtsa, and the
clerk Gendun Galsan.
Signed (by Mongol reckoning) in the fourth day of the twelvth month
of the second year of the ‘‘Raised by the many,’’ and by Thibetan
reckoning on the same day and month of the year of the ‘‘watermouse.’’

 

[Indian_Devil]

You attacked a man who was starving to death, and you still lost. Simply pathetic.

here is my theory -
during war of 62 , indian army hesitated to attack weak and hunger ridden chinese army, but actually that was what chinese army wanted... thus by watching bollywood drama movies as well as chinese kung fu movies, chinese were able to counter indian army...

however in 1967, in the second indo-china conflict, indians were preparef and as there was no famine in china, indians thrashed Chinese forces
[LINK]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_La_incident[/LINK]

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

here is my theory -
during war of 62 , indian army hesitated to attack weak and hunger ridden chinese army, but actually that was what chinese army wanted... thus by watching bollywood drama movies as well as chinese kung fu movies, chinese were able to counter indian army...

however in 1967, in the second indo-china conflict, indians were preparef and as there was no famine in china, indians thrashed Chinese forces
[LINK]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_La_incident[/LINK]

This is the best you can come up with?

India's own internal Army Report said that the trigger for war (the Dhola post) was on CHINA's side of the MacMahon line... i.e. pure undisputed Chinese territory.

That's where the war started, at an Indian military outpost within Chinese territory. It only expanded to India when India's forces turned out to be even weaker than imagined, the Chinese side was in fact surprised at how far they were able to advance, and how easily.

But again, at least Nehru had guts. You guys don't have guts at all, or you would have started Forward Policy 2.0 already.

I can respect Nehru for at least trying, you guys don't even come close to his level.

 

[Dungeness]

This is the best you can come up with?

India's own internal Army Report said that the trigger for war (the Dhola post) was on CHINA's side of the MacMahon line... i.e. pure undisputed Chinese territory.

That's where the war started, at an Indian military outpost within Chinese territory. It only expanded to India when India's forces turned out to be even weaker than imagined, the Chinese side was in fact surprised at how far they were able to advance, and how easily.

But again, at least Nehru had guts. You guys don't have guts at all, or you would have started Forward Policy 2.0 already.

I can respect Nehru for at least trying, you guys don't even come close to his level.

Only thing that is worse than defeat itself, is trying to find excuse to justify the defeat. This separates losers and winners.

 

[Indian_Devil]

This is the best you can come up with?

India's own internal Army Report said that the trigger for war (the Dhola post) was on CHINA's side of the MacMahon line... i.e. pure undisputed Chinese territory.

That's where the war started, at an Indian military outpost within Chinese territory. It only expanded to India when India's forces turned out to be even weaker than imagined, the Chinese side was in fact surprised at how far they were able to advance, and how easily.

But again, at least Nehru had guts. You guys don't have guts at all, or you would have started Forward Policy 2.0 already.

I can respect Nehru for at least trying, you guys don't even come close to his level.

,,,, i thought of myself a skilled pdf troller... but i will have to accept that you are way better in trolling..

This is the best you can come up with?

India's own internal Army Report said that the trigger for war (the Dhola post) was on CHINA's side of the MacMahon line... i.e. pure undisputed Chinese territory.

That's where the war started, at an Indian military outpost within Chinese territory. It only expanded to India when India's forces turned out to be even weaker than imagined, the Chinese side was in fact surprised at how far they were able to advance, and how easily.

But again, at least Nehru had guts. You guys don't have guts at all, or you would have started Forward Policy 2.0 already.

I can respect Nehru for at least trying, you guys don't even come close to his level.

,,,, i thought of myself a skilled pdf troller... but i will have to accept that you are way better in trolling..

 

[navtrek]

In 1962 China was dying from the worst famine in our history (Great leap forward), and we were being contained by two enemy superpowers (USA and USSR). We fought the USA only a few years before that (Korean war), and would fight the USSR a few years after that (1969). We were in the weakest state in our recent history.

So of course it was the best time for Nehru to steal our land with his "Forward Policy", which involved setting up military outposts far BEYOND the MacMahon line, in Chinese land which India did not even claim!

From the leaked Indian Army Henderson-Brooks report:

Dhola Post that triggered war was on China's side of McMahon Line - Business Standard

But even a starving China can fight back, something that they learned.

Also it's interesting that all the names here, MacMahon line, Johnson line, Henderson-Brooks report, these are all Western names. Where are the Indian names?

Did you read the link that you used as a source?

Discrepancies in the maps available then depicted an arbitrary border running due west from the border outpost of Khinzemane to the tri-junction, rather than the watershed boundary that constituted the McMahon Line. Operating with those faulty maps, Captain Mahabir Prasad of 1 Sikh established Dhola Post on June 4, 1962, on what Henderson Brooks reveals was China's side of the McMahon Line.

If you realise India had no intentions of building posts on Chinese land it was only a matter of misunderstanding. So when you say India attacked China its only laughable because we didnt the whole thing was just a misunderstanding which could have been sorted out through dialog.

But the Indian side had declined dialogue and China had no way but to go to war and teach Nehru a lesson to come back to the negotiating table.

with only 50 rounds of ammunition per man, one blanket, no winter clothing, and without even minor medical supplies.

This is not how an army attacks lol Those soldiers were just being sent to be slaughtered.

"I am not prepared to stand by and watch my troops massacred. It is time someone took a firm stand. If the higher authorities want a scapegoat, I am prepared to offer myself and put in my papers on this issue."

 

[scorpionx]

India's own internal Army Report said that the trigger for war (the Dhola post) was on CHINA's side of the MacMahon line... i.e. pure undisputed Chinese territory.

I am afraid it was not an undisputed territory. The Indian field commander did not have an iota of hint Dhola post was within MM line or not, whereas the higher echelons always maintained that it fell south of the line.

 

[meghdut]

Apart from the border dispute I believe there is another reason for the war. It is Dalai Lama and his escape from Chinese captivity to India. China surely did not like the fact that the leader of the land they just annexed is sitting right at their doorstep, that too in a supposed friendly country(i.e. India). The short sharp war would very well undermine Indian (as such Dalai Lama's ) position in Tibet. Also it would serve as warning for us not to pock our nose in Tibet.

Just as observation on my part, no claims.

 

[LowPost]

In 1962 China was dying from the worst famine in our history (Great leap forward), and we were being contained by two enemy superpowers (USA and USSR). We fought the USA only a few years before that (Korean war), and would fight the USSR a few years after that (1969). We were in the weakest state in our recent history.

So of course it was the best time for Nehru to steal our land with his "Forward Policy", which involved setting up military outposts far BEYOND the MacMahon line, in Chinese land which India did not even claim!

From the leaked Indian Army Henderson-Brooks report:

Dhola Post that triggered war was on China's side of McMahon Line - Business Standard

But even a starving China can fight back, something that they learned.

Also it's interesting that all the names here, MacMahon line, Johnson line, Henderson-Brooks report, these are all Western names. Where are the Indian names?

You may as well check out these three articles that provide insight on the causes of the war and how it went.

http://www.du.edu/korbel/jais/journal/volume1/volume1_abitbol.pdf

https://chinaindiaborderdispute.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/neville-maxwell-chinas-india-war.pdf

httpshttps://chinaindiaborderdispute.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/dibyeshanand1962chinaindiawarinsevensisterspostnov20111.pdf

The second one is by Neville Maxwell, the same journalist leaking the Henderson Brooks-Bhagat Report and authoring India's China War.

There are also two readworthy blog entries dealing with this subject.

Revisiting the Sino-Indian War of 1962 | Hidden Harmonies China Blog

India's China Blog: A Brief History of the Sino-Indian Border Dispute and the role of Tibet