Nehru and the National Philosophy of India: Secularism

[SrNair]

How come a Community which makes 20+% of India's Population is a Minority? If 20+% is Minority, then what would one call the communities which makes 1 or 2 % of India's Population - Hindus? No perks or Reservation for them? What kind of Secularism is this?

1 or 2% of population is Hindus .Are you all right?

If you meant about small communities with in Hinduism then you are right .We are the real minorities in India .Even lesser than Chrisitians .But 20 % of secular community is absolutely 20% and unified.Thats is why they could have influence earlier haywire UPA and Congress govts.
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[ranjeet]

I 'd call India a secular country still.....Secularism does not mean disrespecting other religions in India.
The Western concept of secularism sees a separation of religion and state but the concept of secularism is peculiar in India which envisions acceptance of religious laws as binding on the state... and equal participation of state in different religions...which makes it ambiguous. This is what I would like to change in the approach towards secularism.
But it is the same reason which gives every person the right to follow his or her religion in India.And also courtesy secularism that during office hours the prayers are allowed. Persons bring their own individual Guru’s pictures, images into the offices. Government officially patronage the pilgrimages, provide all facilities and extend financial concessions. Government lands are allotted to religious purposes.
Its not just about constitution, we have been secular for a very long time,many religions 've co existed and prospered in India.
But leaving the term secularism as ambiguous is what caused each religion (I blame EACH AND EVERY religion) to take advantage of the weakness of political parties and gained much to benefit in several ways. Religious establishments became powerful institutions with huge amounts accumulated.....all religions get exemption from taxes. There is no accountability either for the illegal money or business affairs conducted in the name spiritual activity.
I strongly believe that there should be no exemptions to the principle that all are equal before law and ergo i support UCC.
UCC might face storms from the political classes which not mention would be their desperate efforts to not loose the benefits they milk in the name of religion.
India is secular in its own ways.

The whole debate about secularism in India goes for a toss when we start to contrast it with the the western definition of it. A religion who prides itself that there are more than one ways to reach moksha, can't be narrow minded when it comes to different perspective towards religion. At some point and in someway something rubbed them off in a wrong way.

The fact that we were never into the business of harvesting souls proves my point. I am against bigotry spewed by Hindus but people belonging to other religions must stand up when it comes to their religion. Secular values can't be Hindus burden to bear alone. Not no more, if standing up against this paints me communal, then heck yeah I am a proud communal and will be till the last breath.

 

[ranjeet]

The Constitution of India dose disrespect a certain religion. That religion has nothing to do with Hinduism. However, India's constitution labels it as part of Hinduism - Hindus. That Religion has a separate marriage law, but people of that religion until 2012 had to marry under Hindu Marriage Act. However, other community, had separate marriage law and is not labeled as Hindus. Moreover, the Patronage for Pillgrimage, Reservations, Laptops etc is provided to that Community, not to the one who are labeled as Hindus.

For me, this is pure discrimination by Government of India + Constitution of India. Had India been a Secular Country, that Community wouldn't be facing such discrimination since Independence.

Totally agree with you, unfortunately the only minority in India are Muslims and every pseudo secular party are indulged in who can bow before them the most.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

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[Levina]

That is what you think.

And i will defend to death your right to say that on PAKISTAN DEFENSE FORUM.

Chillax!
Dont take your internet life so seriously.Your post evoked that kind of response from me...you didnot have to add fuel to fire in the first place.

The Constitution of India dose disrespect a certain religion. That religion has nothing to do with Hinduism. However, India's constitution labels it as part of Hinduism - Hindus. That Religion has a separate marriage law, but people of that religion until 2012 had to marry under Hindu Marriage Act. However, other community, had separate marriage law and is not labeled as Hindus. Moreover, the Patronage for Pillgrimage, Reservations, Laptops etc is provided to that Community, not to the one who are labeled as Hindus.

For me, this is pure discrimination by Government of India + Constitution of India. Had India been a Secular Country, that Community wouldn't be facing such discrimination since Independence.

You know what??
whatever special privileges are given to "that" particular community should be taken back completely.And whatever has come to effect from 2012 should be scrapped.If despite getting justice..though delayed if these ppl consider India to be a country which doesnt treat 'em well then i think they should leave the country and go to a place which they deem fit.
Every INDIAN should be made to marry according to a single marriage act.IMO!!
I 'm a proud Indian...In my life I've not received any special privilege as a hindu nor do I ask for being treated special.I find it funny that ppl would cry discrimination when we hindus face the most discrimination in this country.Lol. But then nobody's complaining.
I look at my country with my rose tinted glasses on and that should be the reason that I've met only "pleasant" ppl from other religion. But i hope some day some Premier of India has the spunk to say what Putin said about minorities.To me India has always been secular and will remain so till hindus 're a majority here.

Secular values can't be Hindus burden to bear alone. Not no more, if standing up against this paints me communal, then heck yeah I am a proud communal and will be till the last breath.

Did I say otherwise???
I've maintained that no special privileges should be given to anyone neither the minority nor the majority.

 

[scorpionx]

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[ranjeet]

Did I say otherwise???
I've maintained that no special privileges should be given to anyone neither the minority nor the majority.

No you haven't but that's what was Nehru's Idea or it has been reduced to it by Congress. How can you expect Hindus to honor this Idea any further when it's being used to humiliate us over and over again. A stupid statement from a khap leader is enough to label the whole communtiy as INDIAN TALIBAN but illegal Bangladeshi running jihadi camps and bomb factories is seen as a fight to gain political ground in west bengal.

 

[Levina]

How come a Community which makes 20+% of India's Population is a Minority? If 20+% is Minority, then what would one call the communities which makes 1 or 2 % of India's Population - Hindus? No perks or Reservation for them? What kind of Secularism is this?

enhhh????
You mean hindus 're just 1-2% of India's population???
hehehe

 

[Levina]

No you haven't but that's what was Nehru's Idea or it has been reduced to it by Congress. How can you expect Hindus to honor this Idea any further when it's being used to humiliate us over and over again. A stupid statement from a khap leader is enough to label the whole communtiy as INDIAN TALIBAN but illegal Bangladeshi running jihadi camps and bomb factories is seen as a fight to gain political ground in west bengal.

Politics is a dirty game...
India and Indians 've been secular always even before our constitution came into existence.Nehru merely gave the respect each religion gives other, a name.
My argument was that we have been secular...meaning we respected other religions from the beginning.
I'm not here to justify what congress did.

 

[Parul]

Chillax!


You know what??
whatever special privileges are given to "that" particular community should be taken back completely.And whatever has come to effect from 2012 should be scrapped.If despite getting justice..though delayed if these ppl consider India to be a country which doesnt treat 'em well then i think they should leave the country and go to a place which they deem fit.
Every INDIAN should be made to marry according to a single marriage act.IMO!!
I 'm a proud Indian...In my life I've not received any special privilege as a hindu nor do I ask for being treated special.I find it funny that ppl would cry discrimination when we hindus face the most discrimination in this country.Lol. But then nobody's complaining.
I look at my country with my rose tinted glasses on and that should be the reason that I've met only "pleasant" ppl from other religion. But i hope some day some Premier of India has the spunk to say what Putin said about minorities.

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Why these people should leave the Country? Why not carved out a Country out of India. They were assured by Gandhi's and Nehru's that they would get there basis rights, if they join Indian Dominion. However, Nehru was the one who backstabbed them, later his kins. Neither that community has asked for reservations and doles. It's one of the most wealthiest community.


Hindus are not getting married Under Muslims Law or Labeled as Muslims as per Indian Constitution. Hence, they won't have problem with it. No Complaining.

Before telling about what Putin said about Minorities, just do a little Google search and Learn what the founding members of India Promised Them and what they did to them.

 

[Parul]

1 or 2% of population is Hindus .Are you all right?

If you meant about small communities with in Hinduism then you are right .We are the real minorities in India .Even lesser than Chrisitians .But 20 % of secular community is absolutely 20% and unified.Thats is why they could have influence earlier haywire UPA and Congress govts.
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As per Constitution of India Sikhs are Hindus. I referring to Sikhs.

 

[Parul]

enhhh????
You mean hindus 're just 1-2% of India's population???
hehehe

Sikh's who are 2% of India's population.

 

[INDIC]

enhhh????
You mean hindus 're just 1-2% of India's population???
hehehe

It means Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Parsis who don't have enough number(less than 3%) aren't considered as the part of minority community.

 

[SrNair]

Chillax!
Dont take your internet life so seriously.Your post evoked that kind of response from me...you didnot have to add fuel to fire in the first place.

You know what??
whatever special privileges are given to "that" particular community should be taken back completely.And whatever has come to effect from 2012 should be scrapped.If despite getting justice..though delayed if these ppl consider India to be a country which doesnt treat 'em well then i think they should leave the country and go to a place which they deem fit.
Every INDIAN should be made to marry according to a single marriage act.IMO!!
I 'm a proud Indian...In my life I've not received any special privilege as a hindu nor do I ask for being treated special.I find it funny that ppl would cry discrimination when we hindus face the most discrimination in this country.Lol. But then nobody's complaining.
I look at my country with my rose tinted glasses on and that should be the reason that I've met only "pleasant" ppl from other religion. But i hope some day some Premier of India has the spunk to say what Putin said about minorities.To me India has always been secular and will remain so till hindus 're a majority here.

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Did I say otherwise???
I've maintained that no special privileges should be given to anyone neither the minority nor the majority.

That is point that someguys here cant understand.Political parties ,medias and all so called liberals can shout for Secularism ,only if Hindus are majority in here.Whenever there is shake in that majority or balance or reduction in majority ,things would sabotage.That is why there is no Secularism in Arab states.
But the irony is that political parties ,entire democratic setup and even these minorities knows this fact .

 

[ranjeet]

Politics is a dirty game...
India and Indians 've been secular always even before our constitution came into existence.Nehru merely gave the respect each religion gives other, a name.
My argument was that we have been secular...meaning we respected other religions from the beginning.
I'm not here to justify what congress did.

yes we would have been secular but why do we have to live up to the western definition of secularism constantly? When jews were being persecuted it was Mother India who gave them place to be safe without any prejudice. There was no Nehruvian ideals when Parsis came calling for safe grounds.